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Kraven Stark Caldari Atavism Industries	Posted - 2011.07.27 18:19:00 - [1] I have tried this mission several times now without explicit help in what I am doing. 3 times with a Drake and 1 with a Raven. The Raven attempt was the quickest fail as my skills are not where they need to be for that ship. The first attempt with the Drake was a quick fail in room 3. After some skill work and a new tank setup, I was able to get to room 4 but the jammers and webs ruined that. My latest attempt was in the below setup and I made it to room 5, but the number of BSes in that room are just too much. Is this mission just too difficult for a Drake or am I doing it wrong? Both PG and CPU are capped. [Drake, New Setup 1] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II [empty mid slot] Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.27 18:25:00 - [2] 3xLSE II + 2xInvul II = 551 DPS tank 2xLSE II + 2xKin II + Therm II = 838 DPS tank The Jamming(tm) is an entirely different issue. ----- CCP's NeX Pricing Tiers Affordable: One PLEX Mid: 3-4 PLEX Deluxe: Only for "flamboyantly rich capsuleers" Exceptional: ??
Kythrol Dhorin Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.27 19:51:00 - [3] Perhaps try fitting ECCM
grumpyguts1	Posted - 2011.07.27 20:03:00 - [4] Originally by: stoicfaux 3xLSE II + 2xInvul II = 551 DPS tank 2xLSE II + 2xKin II + Therm II = 838 DPS tank The Jamming(tm) is an entirely different issue. This, if you fit mission specific you will get better tank and leave more room for damage mods. Carry FOF's for jamming.
Verdana Faulk	Posted - 2011.07.27 20:31:00 - [5] Always use rat specific hardeners as said above.. In that section lock the frigates asap and throw your drones on one before they jam you. Keep doing that as they pop and work on the battleships as you can. I only get jammed 3 or 4 times typically, though theirs always bad days. Didnt have too many problems with a vanilla raven.. Actually the EM turrets scared me more than the jamers..
Kraven Stark Caldari Atavism Industries	Posted - 2011.07.27 20:34:00 - [6] Back to faction specific it is. FWIW, the jammers are no longer an issue. My drones can clear the frigs in this mission with relative ease. I have just been having issues keeping the tank together.
Songbird Gallente T.I.E. Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.28 02:11:00 - [7] train up for a maelstrom , get into an incursion fleet , make 10 mil every 10 mins. Drake is the training wheels , take them off. Get turrets and get real DPS. missioning is last year's pve activity. This year we're doing it in 10 men groups with dedicated repping ships, dedicated webbers/painters and in your case - dedicated DPS. Don't ask what your fleet can do for you, but ask what you can ... put in your pocket, when you do your job correctly. And FFS stop missioning with drakes and ravens.
Kraven Stark Caldari Atavism Industries	Posted - 2011.07.28 02:54:00 - [8] Edited by: Kraven Stark on 28/07/2011 02:54:15 Originally by: Songbird train up for a maelstrom , get into an incursion fleet , make 10 mil every 10 mins. Drake is the training wheels , take them off. Get turrets and get real DPS. missioning is last year's pve activity. This year we're doing it in 10 men groups with dedicated repping ships, dedicated webbers/painters and in your case - dedicated DPS. Don't ask what your fleet can do for you, but ask what you can ... put in your pocket, when you do your job correctly. And FFS stop missioning with drakes and ravens. I'm working towards a Tengu. You really shouldn't let the way other's choose to play the game, they are paying for, bother you. They are not playing that way to annoy you.
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.07.28 17:28:00 - [9] Frigates are the triggers in that mission. If you kill them first, you just made your life a whole lot more difficult.
Zarcan Caldari The Yellow Eye	Posted - 2011.07.28 19:34:00 - [10] This is actually a pretty simple mission. I've only got 10mil SP and I can make it through without my tank even getting in danger of breaking. You're going to want to run dual shield hardeners, 2x therm 2x kinetic. Ditch the invul fields and the extenders in favor of the hardeners, and maybe a shield recharger. The only other time that there's a different damage than Kinetic or thermal in the mission are the Amarr turrets, which I think do EM but don't quote me on that. They're the priority when you warp in, they're only like 3km from you, other than that they shouldn't really be that much of an issue. Do not shoot the frigates until everything else is gone, they trigger the next spawn. Take out battlecruisers and cruisers first, battleships next, and frigates last. You should be able to handle it just fine with the right resists. I am a noob. Eat me.

Argaon	Posted - 2011.07.29 17:43:00 - [11] man GE lvl 4 not worth....try Angel Extravaganza....and best fitt for any of this mission its Active Shield Tank...and 2 or 3 accounts
Blackberry Cobbler	Posted - 2011.07.29 19:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Songbird train up for a maelstrom , get into an incursion fleet , make 10 mil every 10 mins. Drake is the training wheels , take them off. Get turrets and get real DPS. missioning is last year's pve activity. This year we're doing it in 10 men groups with dedicated repping ships, dedicated webbers/painters and in your case - dedicated DPS. Don't ask what your fleet can do for you, but ask what you can ... put in your pocket, when you do your job correctly. And FFS stop missioning with drakes and ravens. 10 million every 10 minutes is only 60M/hour. Can you even chain incursions back to back like that? Either way, this is BAD pve income. You sound pretty elitist for somebody who is making less per hour than a 2 week old character running hisec exploration sites. :(
Zarcan Caldari The Yellow Eye	Posted - 2011.07.29 20:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Argaon man GE lvl 4 not worth....try Angel Extravaganza....and best fitt for any of this mission its Active Shield Tank...and 2 or 3 accounts Wow, people are really helpful in here. OP/TS, did you get a chance to re-work your resists and retry the mission? I am a noob. Eat me.
Songbird Gallente T.I.E. Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.29 22:53:00 - [14] Edited by: Songbird on 29/07/2011 22:56:16 Originally by: Blackberry Cobbler 10 million every 10 minutes is only 60M/hour. Can you even chain incursions back to back like that? Either way, this is BAD pve income. You sound pretty elitist for somebody who is making less per hour than a 2 week old character running hisec exploration sites. :( I've done these sites too. You might get a lucky break and get a piece that's worth 80 mil. And then you might go into 10 other sites and get nothing. Anyway no need for ****ing contests. The OP was asking about a lvl 4 mission that he's doing in a drake - if you think he'll get even 20 mil for that particular hour you're wrong . What I suggested was an alternative to the level 4 mission that he can do with other players in a MULTI player game. Mission running/ high sec exploration is basically eve single player.
Alaik Phoibe Enterprises	Posted - 2011.07.30 06:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Argaon man GE lvl 4 not worth....try Angel Extravaganza....and best fitt for any of this mission its Active Shield Tank...and 2 or 3 accounts The jammers just aren't worth the hassle. I just moved out of Caldari space to get away from Guristas, and my quality of life is vastly improved without my blood pressure jumping up as I rage about "you bstards, stop jamming me!". =) For the record, Serpentis sensor damps are almost* as annoying as Guristas, so try Amarr or Minmatar space.
Captain Hindsite	Posted - 2011.07.30 15:42:00 - [16] Suggestion to the OP - as soon as you're able to save up the 400mil, upgrade to a CNR. It's not just the dps from the extra launcher, it's the extra 30k ehp, cap, etc. Trust me, it's well worth it. Also, always, ALWAYS, fit mission-specific hardeners. The extra 30 seconds it takes to change them out is well worth your time. This applies even if you're ultimately training for Tengu or a Golem, as you can sell your CNR on contracts (since it's rigged) when you're ready to change ships. Better yet, though - hold on to it as backup in case you lose your new shiny. As regards GE - fit an XL booster (C5-L if you can't fit T2), one boost amp (Dread Guristas boost amp is pretty reasonably priced), 2 x Kin, 1 x Therm hardeners and Heavy Cap Booster. Lows - 4 x BCS, 1 x ECCM. Also, I just want to confirm that a 2.5-3mil SP character can run Lvl 4's no problem, provided you've invested your training time wisely.
QbusPuchatek Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.08.03 08:15:00 - [17] [Drake, Guristas] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II 10 MN Afterburner II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5 with managing aggro - Guristas Extra is semi AFK mode (when shooting BS - es) with ALL 5 = 495 dps, 838 tank, I have low skills too but use missile implants Feel the power of Drake :)
Nomad Vherokic Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.03 12:59:00 - [18] Don't fit invuls to tank with when you have low-skills and don't know the triggers for a mission. The DPS you can apply won't offset the incoming DPS enough to compensate for the lack of tank. Fit 3 passive (2 x Kin, 1 x Therm) + 2 LSE and an Afterburner for Guristas. The Drake does mediocre DPS even with Kinetic missiles when fitted for tank. When you are jammed use FOF missiles - they will usually go for the last rat you had targeted but sometimes they like to blow up a nearby structure instead. ;) -- Why do people sign their name at the bottom of a post? We know who you are already...
BearJews	Posted - 2011.08.03 19:41:00 - [19] ya forget the drake. You can do this in a raven just make sure you know how to mitigate damage so you'll be ok. Like someone stated before cruisers/bcs/bs/then frigs. That's the direction you go in order to have the least amount of incoming damage happen (i'm assuming you are running at least a drake or a raven, preferably a raven or some other BS. Plus the beautiful part about GEs is taht you don't turn them in right away. Instead do every pocket up to the last one then wait for downtime, then the NPCs magically come back. I made something like 60 mil a day on 3 ge missions for a week or so. (btw i'm using a tengu, so i just take out all the frigs first then everything else because the frigs are the most dangerous and in a tengu those other ships are hitting y ou for literally 9 damage a shot.
kopich	Posted - 2011.08.03 22:45:00 - [20] golem is defenantly good for this mission. with proper skills i think i now warp out of bonus poket once , and not always.

Mixne	Posted - 2011.08.04 01:55:00 - [21] Edited by: Mixne on 04/08/2011 01:59:11 This is the best Drake fit I have found for lvl 4s so far. I have not had an issue with any level 4 (except AE4 bonus room, don't do it in this), so long as I look up the mission report and kill the ships in the correct order (generally cruisers/battlecruisers first, drones on frigs, then battleships with the trigger being the last kill each wave). I tend to just orbit the beacon at warp-in with the AB on at 6000-8000m. The speed tank is very beneficial, so you will want to kill any webbers ASAP. Also, I VERY strongly recommend using faction ammo (EM for drones, kinetic for everything else), it makes things go so much more quickly. You will also need to switch out the invuln fields for damage specific hardeners depending on the mission. For Guristas, use one ballistic deflection II and one heat dissipation II in place of the 2 x invuln fields. The mission reports on Eve Survival will specifically tell you what type of dmg the enemies will do in that mission. Please note the tank may look a bit low on EFT, but you kill things pretty quickly and the speed makes a HUGE difference. Make sure your AB is always running and you are always moving. Those missiles from the BSes will do very little damage to you. [Drake, Lvl 4 Drake] Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hornet II x1 Hornet II x1 Hornet II x1 Hornet II x1 Hornet II x1
Mixne	Posted - 2011.08.04 01:58:00 - [22] Edited by: Mixne on 04/08/2011 01:58:48 double post,sorry
Songbird Gallente T.I.E. Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.04 17:39:00 - [23] golem would suck for this mission since there's a lot of little ships which you cannot hurt effectively with torpedoes.
Exploited Engineer	Posted - 2011.08.04 17:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Songbird golem would suck for this mission since there's a lot of little ships which you cannot hurt effectively with torpedoes. That's what drones are for. However, getting perma-jammed in the last (non-bonus) room makes this mission no fun.
Jadark Caldari Mercurial By Design	Posted - 2011.08.05 17:10:00 - [25] I just ran this mission the other day in a Tengu. Just got it and figured I would try it out on a lvl 4 mission and happen to pull this one. Have to say this single experience sold me on the Tengu. Found that every room had some sort of structure in the middle of it. I set my orbit to 70km turned on the AB and started just shooting everything in the room. Actually did just the opposite of what you should do and and went frig > destroyer > cruiser > BC > BS. With my speed and sig nothing was hitting me. Easiest time I ever had with this mission.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.08.05 17:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Jadark I just ran this mission the other day in a Tengu. Just got it and figured I would try it out on a lvl 4 mission and happen to pull this one. Have to say this single experience sold me on the Tengu. Found that every room had some sort of structure in the middle of it. I set my orbit to 70km turned on the AB and started just shooting everything in the room. Actually did just the opposite of what you should do and and went frig > destroyer > cruiser > BC > BS. With my speed and sig nothing was hitting me. Easiest time I ever had with this mission. Pro-TipÖ: Next time, just orbit the acceleration gate at 5000m and save yourself a trek back. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Blackberry Cobbler	Posted - 2011.08.06 02:57:00 - [27] Originally by: Songbird Edited by: Songbird on 29/07/2011 22:59:42 Originally by: Blackberry Cobbler 10 million every 10 minutes is only 60M/hour. Can you even chain incursions back to back like that? Either way, this is BAD pve income. You sound pretty elitist for somebody who is making less per hour than a 2 week old character running hisec exploration sites. :( I've done these sites too. You might get a lucky break and get a piece that's worth 80 mil. And then you might go into 10 other sites and get nothing. Anyway no need for ****ing contests. The OP was asking about a lvl 4 mission that he's doing in a drake - if you think he'll get even 20 mil for that particular hour you're wrong . What I suggested was an alternative to the level 4 mission that he can do with other players in a MULTI player game. Mission running/ high sec exploration is basically eve single player. Edit: BTW I suggested he got a maelstrom - how is that elitist, especially for someone who can easily afford a couple of them every hour or so You didn't suggest anything. You berated him, told him to take off the training wheels, and then tried to strut your stuff by saying you make a STAGGERING 60M/hr running incursions. Then I "suggested" that you were being an elitist douche, and gave another option which will probably result in making a lot more ISK/hr than your non- "training wheels" activity. LOL, then you tried to flex your elitist e-peen AGAIN by saying you can afford several Maelstroms per hour. Oh man you should write a new ISK making book and sell it for real money. Who wouldn't pay for your secrets to affording a couple Maelstroms per hour????
Suki Youov	Posted - 2011.08.07 10:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Argaon man GE lvl 4 not worth....try Angel Extravaganza....and best fitt for any of this mission its Active Shield Tank...and 2 or 3 accounts Two or three accounts? Are you nuts or just new? I farm this mission every day on my own in a Domi and it's very easy.
Olivia Addict	Posted - 2011.08.07 17:15:00 - [29] Nobody has mentioned yet, the dps in ge can get heavy especialy in 4th room.. IF Your doing it wrong, in a drake/raven, DONT kill all the frigs first, they spawn big nasty battleships and jammers :) Kill big stuff first then a frig or 2till more big stuff spawns!!! SIMPLES!!!!
Maximum Kiely Caldari Kiely and Son Salvage	Posted - 2011.08.08 14:59:00 - [30] Originally by: Songbird And FFS stop missioning with drakes and ravens. If you would kindly provide me with 1 Billion isk I would be more than happy to accept your demands



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