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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2012.09.20 23:49:00 -
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With the changes on Mining Barges, the Ore Thief career is on the brink of extinction. "Professional ore thieving" was alot of fun, it was something that made EvE unique.
Why did CCP changed this? If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
57
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Posted - 2012.09.20 23:54:00 -
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Cause they got sick of most miners crying about ore leeches.... I agree with the following assessment of the Mining Barge Buff and as a reformed "Greed-fit", High-sec AFK miner, I think that is saying something. -áMining Barge buff: CCP has acknowledged that miners in general are too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
stoicfaux
1664
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Posted - 2012.09.21 00:06:00 -
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miner sub money > ore thief sub money?
Productive miners keep prices down thereby allowing newbies and the poor more opportunity to have fun?
Ore thievery, plus the general hijinks in high-sec kept reminding everyone just how clumsy the high-sec aggression mechanics were.
Solving the miners v. griefers problem reduced 90% of the whining on the forums.
It was a controlled experiment to see how the griefers would adapt. See James 315 and http://www.minerbumping.com/ What? Did you not notice that CCP contracted out for a university conducted sociological study?
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2012.09.21 00:29:00 -
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Shouldn't this be in the "Stupid Questions" thread? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
731
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Posted - 2012.09.21 00:32:00 -
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I used to do this, back when I thought hunting belts for 20-30 minutes at a time for an odd two-million ISK worth of ore was actually not an astonishingly small amount of money for my effort. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
iownuall123
GRIM MARCH SpaceMonkey's Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.09.21 00:59:00 -
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There was no such thing about stealing ore to make money, the only reason people stole ore was to p*** off miners and make them shoot at you so you can kill them with your more powerful ship for some sense of self gratitude. |
Regan Rotineque
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.09.21 01:20:00 -
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this has not changed 1 bit, its just you are not allowed to be the schoolyard bully anymore.
Instead of you robbing small children for their allowances, grow a pair, then actually shoot at something that can shoot back.
If they won't give you their ore in cans anymore....mine it from their hulls.
Problem solved.
~R~ |
Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.09.21 01:29:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:With the changes on Mining Barges, the Ore Thief career is on the brink of extinction. "Professional ore thieving" was alot of fun, it was something that made EvE unique.
Why did CCP changed this?
Butthurt detected.
Take your game down to lowsec and see how far you get griefing people who will shoot back. It's a much bigger challenge than trying to get aggro out of unarmed mining vessels.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
906
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Posted - 2012.09.21 01:36:00 -
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Regan Rotineque wrote:this has not changed 1 bit, its just you are not allowed to be the schoolyard bully anymore.
Instead of you robbing small children for their allowances, grow a pair, then actually shoot at something that can shoot back.
If they won't give you their ore in cans anymore....mine it from their hulls.
Problem solved.
~R~ Tell us more about bravery, noobcorp alt. Why did you take my wings away? |
Regan Rotineque
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.09.21 02:04:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Regan Rotineque wrote:this has not changed 1 bit, its just you are not allowed to be the schoolyard bully anymore.
Instead of you robbing small children for their allowances, grow a pair, then actually shoot at something that can shoot back.
If they won't give you their ore in cans anymore....mine it from their hulls.
Problem solved.
~R~ Tell us more about bravery, noobcorp alt.
first - not a noob second - not an alt
if your going to troll get your facts straight first
OP is upset that his gameplay style has been affected now that noobs and miners can hide their ore from him. What I am saying is that yes the "easy" stealing and griefing days are over, its time to adapt. Isn't that was EvE is all about...adapting and trying out new play styles and tactics. |
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Raiz Nhell
DEEP CORPS
191
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Posted - 2012.09.21 02:53:00 -
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This being Eve, I'm reasonably certain that there are still some idiots out there who wont learn and are still jet-can mining. Just gotta find them...
I found that having my ore stolen to be a learning experience.
I learned that my dreaded hobgoblins don't do anything againts PVP cruiser hulls I learned that PVP cruiser hulls will chew threw my hulk in a mind bogglingly short time once I aggro I learned that I shouldn't react to flippers I learned that I should fit a tank to try and survive the idiot suicide gankers I learned that the non-idiot suicide gankers are going to kill you regardless
Adapt or die There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
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Posted - 2012.09.21 02:58:00 -
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Idris Helion wrote:Take your game down to lowsec and see how far you get griefing people who will shoot back. It's a much bigger challenge than trying to get aggro out of unarmed mining vessels. Actually, you'd be surprised just how often the miners WILL shoot back, when properly motivated.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½The daily saga of the New Order's quest to conquer all highsec by bumping miners out of range. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1739
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Posted - 2012.09.21 03:10:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Shouldn't this be in the "Stupid Questions" thread? Yeeeep. |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
51
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Posted - 2012.09.21 03:33:00 -
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just so some understand as an official carebear I have been blown up by ignorance before in my fancy nighthawk by roaming war targets (this was my first experience from a major alliance being war dec by others) how war dec mechanics work, all I was doing was missioning and then suddenly getting locked and warp scrambled in hi sec without Concord assistance once I was done for they stopped then try to ransom me, huh, I knew enough that they wouldn't honor this so I started shooting again knowing I would lose, no crying, no forum whining, so no not ALL carebears are the same, I made a mistake I learned, but no free luncheon work for your targets fa-Çy stop being lazy. |
Pipa Porto
978
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Posted - 2012.09.21 03:52:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:miner sub money > ore thief sub money? Productive miners keep prices down thereby allowing newbies and the poor more opportunity to have fun? Ore thievery, plus the general hijinks in high-sec kept reminding everyone just how clumsy the high-sec aggression mechanics were. Solving the miners v. griefers problem reduced 90% of the whining on the forums. It was a controlled experiment to see how the griefers would adapt. See James 315 and http://www.minerbumping.com/ What? Did you not notice that CCP contracted out for a university conducted sociological study?
How does Ore theft raise prices? The same amount of Ore makes it to market.
As for adaption, I thought that was the point of the Crucible changes to insurance payouts. See if gankers would adapt to increased ganking costs. When they did, CCP nerfed the adaption (even though they had just introduced a ship designed to use the adaption*). Now that miners showed that they cannot adapt to any negative situation ever, CCP threw in the towel for them, and in the spirit of a third grade sports team, gave everyone a prize for "participating" in order to shut them the hell up so CCP can enjoy his goddamn cardboard pizza in peace.
*FFS it's even shaped like a Boomerang. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
TharOkha
0asis Group
56
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Posted - 2012.09.21 04:45:00 -
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"Professional ore thieving"
It seems that you can name anything "professional" in eve today. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Efernal
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.21 05:07:00 -
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OP what are you talking about? I nabbed 2 miners jet can mining this week alone. Sure I didn't get anything above 3 million for my thievery, But I had loads of fun doing it. You just need to be on the hunt for Idiots. Trust me there are plenty out there and I think most of us will admit to being one at some point in our EVE career.
good hunting! |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2012.09.21 05:15:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:With the changes on Mining Barges, the Ore Thief career is on the brink of extinction. "Professional ore thieving" was alot of fun, it was something that made EvE unique.
Why did CCP changed this?
Hmm the majority of ore thieving was done to players that did not yet have mining barges trained. IE. It was the guys using cruisers and jet canning into them or the mining frigate and jet canning. And guess what CCP did not make any changes to them or that early part of the mining career. It is still the same. And they are still jet canning. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
260
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Posted - 2012.09.21 06:26:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Shouldn't this be in the "Stupid Questions" thread?
^^^^ This.
"CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature." |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.09.21 07:07:00 -
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TharOkha wrote: "Professional ore thieving" It seems that you can name anything "professional" in eve today. ^^ this
wtf would this even be called a "career"?
although.
only 1 week into eve 3 years back, my first pvp kill was baiting a can griefer and 2 of us played a tango on his cane ass. sweetest kill we ever did...
so can stealing does have a use - if only to teach the miner how to stay calm, think and work the trap |
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Pipa Porto
982
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Posted - 2012.09.21 08:19:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:TharOkha wrote: "Professional ore thieving" It seems that you can name anything "professional" in eve today. ^^ this wtf would this even be called a "career"? although. only 1 week into eve 3 years back, my first pvp kill was baiting a can griefer and 2 of us played a tango on his cane ass. sweetest kill we ever did... so can stealing does have a use - if only to teach the miner how to stay calm, think and work the trap
Why wouldn't it be a career in EVE if the person making it their career was able to keep themselves in ships through it?
With the recent sequential Nerfs to Suicide Ganking, the nerf to Wardecs (and the general brokenness of the system to begin with), and nerf to can flipping (with another, even more noxious nerf on the horizon), what significant risk do miners run? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
331
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Posted - 2012.09.21 09:02:00 -
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Yes I've noticed this too, the ore thief/can flipping way to play is pretty much gone. Normally I'd be upset about this but there are just a tiny minority of players that do this correctly and do it for lols and fun like Zedrik Cayne and a few good stories above about miners killing the flippers. The rest of the can flippers I know are people that failed at 0.0/low-sec or are too scared to even try to go to 0.0/low. Then they kill 2 week old stabber pilots with miners and a civvy gatling gun and link kms showing how 1337 they are.
No really, killing people by can flipping gets insanely boring after a few times and the only thing you are teaching noobs is that they die so horribly in pvp that they should not try again. So yeah who cares that the can flipping profession is on its last legs |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
165
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Posted - 2012.09.21 09:08:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:
Why wouldn't it be a career in EVE if the person making it their career was able to keep themselves in ships through it?
With the recent sequential Nerfs to Suicide Ganking, the nerf to Wardecs (and the general brokenness of the system to begin with), and nerf to can flipping (with another, even more noxious nerf on the horizon), what significant risk do miners run?
They now run the same risk as everyone else in hi sec.
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Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
655
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Posted - 2012.09.21 09:15:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:
They now run the same risk as everyone else in hi sec.
haha
I get it
it's because there isn't any risk left in highsec
EveO is a circus train that is for bafflingly unclear reasons also carrying tanks of chlorine gas,-ácrashing and exploding in the middle of a small midwestern town. -áCalling it a mere train wreck gives neither the entertainment nor the horror it offers its proper due. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
57
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Posted - 2012.09.21 09:49:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:
They now run the same risk as everyone else in hi sec.
haha I get it it's because there isn't any risk left in highsec
Because daily freighter, industrial killmails, ganking, griefing and lol bumping confirming your post. Hisec, although more secure than null/low, is still most viloent place in eve. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
260
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Posted - 2012.09.21 10:03:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:With the changes on Mining Barges, the Ore Thief career is on the brink of extinction. "Professional ore thieving" was alot of fun, it was something that made EvE unique.
Why did CCP changed this?
Didums ...
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
159
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Posted - 2012.09.21 11:00:00 -
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I don't think it's too dead. I see people still jettisoning into cans. Just have to be creative. In fact, use those mining barges/exhumers to your advantage. Since the procurer/skiff have good tanks on them, and a decent ore holds for ore thieving, put a pvp tank on one, add drone damage mods, and go have fun. I would suspect you could get close enough before they suspect something is up.
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The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
Robert De'Arneth
56
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:36:00 -
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You mean their is a Career even lower then mining? Woot Look at me Ma, no longer the bottom of the food chain!!! |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
60
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:46:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:You mean their is a Career even lower then mining? Woot Look at me Ma, no longer the bottom of the food chain!!!
You seem to confuse "Foundation of the production chain" with "Bottom of the food chain"
Just because the tards with no patience say you're below them doesn't make it true..... I agree with the following assessment of the Mining Barge Buff and as a reformed "Greed-fit", High-sec AFK miner, I think that is saying something. -áMining Barge buff: CCP has acknowledged that miners in general are too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
123
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:52:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:
They now run the same risk as everyone else in hi sec.
haha I get it it's because there isn't any risk left in highsec
Do not listen to the CIA operative. It-¦s a trap! |
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