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Robert De'Arneth
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:56:00 -
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Alaekessa wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:You mean their is a Career even lower then mining? Woot Look at me Ma, no longer the bottom of the food chain!!!  You seem to confuse "Foundation of the production chain" with "Bottom of the food chain" Just because the tards with no patience say you're below them doesn't make it true.....
I am guessing you missed the , Cheer up. I am a proud lazy miner, happy to do the grunt work and take the abuse form my overlords. |

Azami Nevinyrall
Frog Steamers
449
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Posted - 2012.09.21 13:56:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:With the changes on Mining Barges, the Ore Thief career is on the brink of extinction. "Professional ore thieving" was alot of fun, it was something that made EvE unique.
Why did CCP changed this? Whoever made "ore theif" a career option in this game is a ******* moron... Do you know what a sh*t-barometer is? It measures the sh*t-pressure in the air, did you hear that? The sounds of the whispering winds of sh*t... |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
28
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Posted - 2012.09.21 13:59:00 -
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@ Robert De'Arneth
I assume EVE blue-collars are tough. I had job like this too once in RL, hardy folks made everything themselves. I respect. |

highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
324
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Posted - 2012.09.21 14:02:00 -
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Regan Rotineque wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Regan Rotineque wrote:this has not changed 1 bit, its just you are not allowed to be the schoolyard bully anymore.
Instead of you robbing small children for their allowances, grow a pair, then actually shoot at something that can shoot back.
If they won't give you their ore in cans anymore....mine it from their hulls.
Problem solved.
~R~ Tell us more about bravery, noobcorp alt. first - not a noob second - not an alt if your going to troll get your facts straight first OP is upset that his gameplay style has been affected now that noobs and miners can hide their ore from him. What I am saying is that yes the "easy" stealing and griefing days are over, its time to adapt. Isn't that was EvE is all about...adapting and trying out new play styles and tactics.
Okay noob corp alt, read and comprehend:
YOu are in an NPC corp, which is where the noobs start. You are an alt.
If you want to talk about bravery and growing a pair, post with your main so we all know who you are.
get it now or should i type slower?
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highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
324
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Posted - 2012.09.21 14:15:00 -
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My response to OP:
I used to be a can-flipper. Never did it for the money. did it for the "thrills" and I did for a quite a long time. It was done as a supplemental activity to doing contract war decs (merc work) in high sec, which has also been heavily nerf'd ... I know where you are coming from. Being successful at can flipping actually took a bit of wit and skill. Surfing belts for hours on end to find that one perfect target (much like lowsec) Pick the wrong person and you will soon be blown up by all his friends. Maybe you end up picking on someone who really doesn't care and just ignores you and you end up wasting your time. Then, you get the occasional gold mine. I remember a corp-mate of mine STEALING an Orca from an idiot. Guy flew to a belt, popped his hulk out of his orca, boarded his hulk and started dumping ore into his un-manned orca, so we relieved him of his dead weight and took his orca. I have also seen an Orca pilot take the can back..... that was fun :)
The thing is, can flipping can be fun if you know how to do it right. It will never be profitable to the point that you make it your primary source or revenue.
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
206
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:28:00 -
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Some wierd posts... since when removing unique features in EvE Online a good thing? If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |

Ukonius
Social Destortion
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:38:00 -
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The game will not grow if the griefers are allowed to **** off new players too much. There has to be a limit, otherwise stagnation will set in. Every company wants to see growth and if that means pissing off a few 'I get beat up in rl so I am gonna be a keyboard commando and take it out on strangers' type players then so be it. Subscriber growth is of much more import than keeping a few old players happy. |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
206
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:42:00 -
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Ukonius wrote:The game will not grow if the griefers are allowed to **** off new players too much. There has to be a limit, otherwise stagnation will set in. Every company wants to see growth and if that means pissing off a few 'I get beat up in rl so I am gonna be a keyboard commando and take it out on strangers' type players then so be it. Subscriber growth is of much more import than keeping a few old players happy.
The game is going just fine since 2003. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |

Robert De'Arneth
57
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:46:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Some wierd posts... since when removing unique features in EvE Online a good thing?
Right and yours is really weird, since they did not remove ore stealing. It seems weird you would act like they did. They made it so people like the op now have to work at it, and they gave miners options to avoid it, so i will reverse the question, since when are options a bad thing? 
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Ukonius
Social Destortion
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:46:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Ukonius wrote:The game will not grow if the griefers are allowed to **** off new players too much. There has to be a limit, otherwise stagnation will set in. Every company wants to see growth and if that means pissing off a few 'I get beat up in rl so I am gonna be a keyboard commando and take it out on strangers' type players then so be it. Subscriber growth is of much more import than keeping a few old players happy. The game is going just fine since 2003.
and how many more subs would there be if the griefing was, not stopped, but toned down a bit? I am not attacking griefers, to each their own, but the point remains and is valid. |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
206
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:49:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Some wierd posts... since when removing unique features in EvE Online a good thing? Right and yours is really weird, since they did not remove ore stealing. It seems weird you would act like they did. They made it so people like the op now have to work at it, and they gave miners options to avoid it, so i will reverse the question, since when are options a bad thing? 
Not sure if trolling, or just stupid. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
206
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:51:00 -
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Ukonius wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Ukonius wrote:The game will not grow if the griefers are allowed to **** off new players too much. There has to be a limit, otherwise stagnation will set in. Every company wants to see growth and if that means pissing off a few 'I get beat up in rl so I am gonna be a keyboard commando and take it out on strangers' type players then so be it. Subscriber growth is of much more import than keeping a few old players happy. The game is going just fine since 2003. and how many more subs would there be if the griefing was, not stopped, but toned down a bit? I am not attacking griefers, to each their own, but the point remains and is valid.
It's the ONLY mmo that grows every single year since launch.
Their is a reason why people play EvE Online, it's a niche game, if they remove the "uniqueness" from it, the game dies. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |

Ukonius
Social Destortion
7
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:56:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Ukonius wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Ukonius wrote:The game will not grow if the griefers are allowed to **** off new players too much. There has to be a limit, otherwise stagnation will set in. Every company wants to see growth and if that means pissing off a few 'I get beat up in rl so I am gonna be a keyboard commando and take it out on strangers' type players then so be it. Subscriber growth is of much more import than keeping a few old players happy. The game is going just fine since 2003. and how many more subs would there be if the griefing was, not stopped, but toned down a bit? I am not attacking griefers, to each their own, but the point remains and is valid. It the ONLY mmo that grows every single year since launch. Their is a reason why people play EvE Online, it's a niche game, if they remove the "uniqueness" from it, the game dies.
Toned down griefing is hardly removing 'uniqueness'. Rampant griefing = slower growth, if it wasnt a problem then CCP wouldnt be doing as they are and causing so many vets to biotch on the forums. |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
206
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:00:00 -
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Ukonius wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Ukonius wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Ukonius wrote:The game will not grow if the griefers are allowed to **** off new players too much. There has to be a limit, otherwise stagnation will set in. Every company wants to see growth and if that means pissing off a few 'I get beat up in rl so I am gonna be a keyboard commando and take it out on strangers' type players then so be it. Subscriber growth is of much more import than keeping a few old players happy. The game is going just fine since 2003. and how many more subs would there be if the griefing was, not stopped, but toned down a bit? I am not attacking griefers, to each their own, but the point remains and is valid. It the ONLY mmo that grows every single year since launch. Their is a reason why people play EvE Online, it's a niche game, if they remove the "uniqueness" from it, the game dies. Toned down griefing is hardly removing 'uniqueness'. Rampant griefing = slower growth, if it wasnt a problem then CCP wouldnt be doing as they are and causing so many vets to biotch on the forums.
So whats next? Ninja salvaging removed? Ganking? Wardecs? Scamming? Why not change the name of the game to world of warcraft in space? If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |

Robert De'Arneth
57
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:00:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Some wierd posts... since when removing unique features in EvE Online a good thing? Right and yours is really weird, since they did not remove ore stealing. It seems weird you would act like they did. They made it so people like the op now have to work at it, and they gave miners options to avoid it, so i will reverse the question, since when are options a bad thing?  Not sure if trolling, or just stupid.
Exuse me? You come in here and say they removed ore stealing, you are wrong! 100% wrong. And I did that without insulting you. Or, can you prove ore stealing is gone, take into account, I can go into the game right now and steal ore.. |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
206
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:02:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Some wierd posts... since when removing unique features in EvE Online a good thing? Right and yours is really weird, since they did not remove ore stealing. It seems weird you would act like they did. They made it so people like the op now have to work at it, and they gave miners options to avoid it, so i will reverse the question, since when are options a bad thing?  Not sure if trolling, or just stupid. Exuse me? You come in here and say they removed ore stealing, you are wrong! 100% wrong. And I did that without insulting you. Or, can you prove ore stealing is gone, take into account, I can go into the game right now and steal ore..
99% of my EvE online time is ("was") doing ore stealing actions, their is almost no one jetcan mining anymore. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |

Robert De'Arneth
57
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:06:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Some wierd posts... since when removing unique features in EvE Online a good thing? Right and yours is really weird, since they did not remove ore stealing. It seems weird you would act like they did. They made it so people like the op now have to work at it, and they gave miners options to avoid it, so i will reverse the question, since when are options a bad thing?  Not sure if trolling, or just stupid. Exuse me? You come in here and say they removed ore stealing, you are wrong! 100% wrong. And I did that without insulting you. Or, can you prove ore stealing is gone, take into account, I can go into the game right now and steal ore.. 99% of my EvE online time is ("was") doing ore stealing actions, their is almost no one jetcan mining anymore.
Really? and you can back this up with what kind of proof? Because you say most people do not jet mine? I Jet mine bubba, my corp mates jet mine, I know others who jet mine. If you want to be an ore thief, work at at. You sound and look like someone who wants to hang around the noob areas and kill noobs who jet mine. You do not want to be an ore thief, you want to kill people who do not understand the game. |

Pipa Porto
987
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:13:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Because daily freighter and industrial killmails, ganking, griefing and lol bumping confirming your post. Hisec, although more secure than null/low, is still most violent place in eve.
Really, Daily? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1939679#post1939679
Even with Bet Country's campaign of freighter ganking, they haven't managed to get it above 2 a day average in the prime gank spots.
Compare that to the volume of freight that goes out of Jita, (last estimate I saw had some hundred freighters per hour) and Freighters run little to no risk. 100 Freighters per hour leave Jita, that's 2400 Freighters per day and 2 die. A 2/2400 chance of death.
Miners have a similar level of safety since the Exhumer buff removed the possibility of industrialized ganking (the only thing that can cause significant losses to the HS mining fleet due to its dispersed nature).
So, where's the risk in HS?
And finally, if someone's griefing you, you can petition them, as that's against the EULA. (Might want to read up on CCP's definition of griefing first, though). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
206
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:14:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:[quote=Vaju Enki]Some wierd posts... since when removing unique features in EvE Online a good thing? Right and yours is really weird, since they did not remove ore stealing. It seems weird you would act like they did. They made it so people like the op now have to work at it, and they gave miners options to avoid it, so i will reverse the question, since when are options a bad thing?  99% of my EvE online time is ("was") doing ore stealing actions, their is almost no one jetcan mining anymore. Really? and you can back this up with what kind of proof? Because you say most people do not jet mine? I Jet mine bubba, my corp mates jet mine, I know others who jet mine. If you want to be an ore thief, work at at. You sound and look like someone who wants to hang around the noob areas and kill noobs who jet mine. You do not want to be an ore thief, you want to kill people who do not understand the game.
Since the patch, i only found 5 guys jetcan mining.
The "work at it" is a nice theory. Imagine if CCP changed the mining career, removing 99% of the asteroid fields from the game, so you had to travel 6 hours searching to find some asteroid fields to mine for 5m. I bet you wouldn't like that. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3465
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:15:00 -
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EVE Online, where criminals whine about how hard it is for them to continue commiting crimes. 
How about this, in the interest of realism, those who are caught commiting crimes will be sentenced to a term of some months locked inside of a prison station where the only thing they will be able to do is run around their captain's closet. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
878
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:16:00 -
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This is going to end either way with the security changes coming soon from Crimewatch.
Watch that closer than this topic.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
206
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:18:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:EVE Online, where criminals whine about how hard it is for them to continue commiting crimes. 
I don't think you understand the nature of the EvE Online sandbox. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3465
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:19:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:EVE Online, where criminals whine about how hard it is for them to continue commiting crimes.  I don't think you understand the nature of the EvE Online sandbox.
If you do the crime do the time, just like real life.  "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |

Ukonius
Social Destortion
8
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:20:00 -
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Ukonius wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Ukonius wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Ukonius wrote:The game will not grow if the griefers are allowed to **** off new players too much. There has to be a limit, otherwise stagnation will set in. Every company wants to see growth and if that means pissing off a few 'I get beat up in rl so I am gonna be a keyboard commando and take it out on strangers' type players then so be it. Subscriber growth is of much more import than keeping a few old players happy. The game is going just fine since 2003. and how many more subs would there be if the griefing was, not stopped, but toned down a bit? I am not attacking griefers, to each their own, but the point remains and is valid. It the ONLY mmo that grows every single year since launch. Their is a reason why people play EvE Online, it's a niche game, if they remove the "uniqueness" from it, the game dies. Toned down griefing is hardly removing 'uniqueness'. Rampant griefing = slower growth, if it wasnt a problem then CCP wouldnt be doing as they are and causing so many vets to biotch on the forums.
Vaju Enki wrote: So whats next? Ninja salvaging removed? Ganking? Wardecs? Scamming? Why not change the name of the game to world of warcraft in space?[/quote]
Ukonius wrote: What you are describing is extreme or total removal of griefing, not at all what I am saying and you know it. I see now you are just butthurt and unable to look at things from any but your own perspective. When you cant make a valid and/or logical counter-argument you resort to petty and childish behavior. I dont pity you mate, I nothing you, but you cant effect change, or keep things stale and stagnant as you seem to want, with that attitude. |

Robert De'Arneth
58
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:21:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:[quote=Vaju Enki]Some wierd posts... since when removing unique features in EvE Online a good thing? Right and yours is really weird, since they did not remove ore stealing. It seems weird you would act like they did. They made it so people like the op now have to work at it, and they gave miners options to avoid it, so i will reverse the question, since when are options a bad thing?  99% of my EvE online time is ("was") doing ore stealing actions, their is almost no one jetcan mining anymore. Really? and you can back this up with what kind of proof? Because you say most people do not jet mine? I Jet mine bubba, my corp mates jet mine, I know others who jet mine. If you want to be an ore thief, work at at. You sound and look like someone who wants to hang around the noob areas and kill noobs who jet mine. You do not want to be an ore thief, you want to kill people who do not understand the game. Since the patch, i only found 5 guys jetcan mining. The "work at it" is a nice theory. Imagine if CCP changed the mining career, removing 99% of the asteroid fields from the game, so you had to travel 6 hours searching to find some asteroid fields to mine for 5m. I bet you wouldn't like that.
Well I mine, I would not call it my day job, as I much prefer flying my frigs around, so I would not be affected. However, if you stole my ore, I would giggle and move on. At best you get 20 mins with of ore, and that is if you came in an indy, in which case you would not leave with the ore. But anyone who spends 6 hours looking for ore to steal is not doing it right. At the end of the day, the change is in, you will adapt, or wait for a change. Good luck and happy flying sir!! |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
206
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:25:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:EVE Online, where criminals whine about how hard it is for them to continue commiting crimes.  I don't think you understand the nature of the EvE Online sandbox. If you do the crime do the time, just like real life. 
Kind of hard doing a crime when the game mechanics prevent it. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |

Damsa Desirah
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
18
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:25:00 -
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I am so confused... What happened to Ore thievery? I can't find any devblogs mentioning the nerf D: It's not what your Alliance can do for you... It's what you can do to them before they realize you really work for the almighty WormHole God, BoB... |

Simon VanDerHoogendal
0
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:31:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:With the changes on Mining Barges, the Ore Thief career is on the brink of extinction. "Professional ore thieving" was alot of fun, it was something that made EvE unique.
Why did CCP changed this? Hmm the majority of ore thieving was done to players that did not yet have mining barges trained. IE. It was the guys using cruisers and jet canning into them or the mining frigate and jet canning. And guess what CCP did not make any changes to them or that early part of the mining career. It is still the same. And they are still jet canning.
I confirm this. I am the noob/idiot :P
(my character is 4 years old, but only 2 months of subscription, split on 2 chars) |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3466
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:35:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:EVE Online, where criminals whine about how hard it is for them to continue commiting crimes.  I don't think you understand the nature of the EvE Online sandbox. If you do the crime do the time, just like real life.  Kind of hard doing a crime when the game mechanics prevent it. Well there we agree, I believe people should be able to commit crimes, but if you do you should be penalized in a very real and harsh way, that can not be circumvented through the use of alts or other accounts.
Than again making it so people who gank another player can't undock any character on any account they own for a month, or have the highest buy order value in the region for whatever item they steal from another player deducted from their wallet, might be a bit extreme... I think CCP's way is probably easier.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |

Pipa Porto
987
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:39:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:EVE Online, where criminals whine about how hard it is for them to continue commiting crimes.  How about this, in the interest of realism, those who are caught commiting crimes will be sentenced to a term of some months locked inside of a prison station where the only thing they will be able to do is run around their captain's closet.
Sure. Then we just kill ourselves and the impounded ship gets returned to our next of kin. Then continue suicide ganking for only the cost of our medical clone. (Unless you're saying you want imprisonment on top of asset destruction and sec status hits).
How about this, if you're going to make stupid RP arguments, learn about EVE's RP Lore. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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