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Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.07.31 02:12:00 - [31] Originally by: Ghoest So CCP lost 18 month of content development(something which keeps and attracts players.) And it gained a minuscule market for plex. They also gained nearly 18 months of development towards WoD _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
The Mormegil	Posted - 2011.07.31 02:23:00 - [32] i choose to read these forums ... and i deny this 19 yo chick cos ... Because ... BECAUSE i a m and wanabea a ****star. but im old and tired ao i blame her... im tired b; It's YOUR FAULT
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.07.31 02:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Omara Otawan Dont worry, pretty sure CCP will plaster it all over their website or next QEN soon enough, triggering another wave of rage in the process. It looks like there isn't going to be a "next QEN" precicely to avoid making this kind of information public. Why do you think that is? ... Return the Old Hangar Back... for Immersion.
Diomedes Calypso Aetolian Armada	Posted - 2011.07.31 02:42:00 - [34] If they can find away to make incarna run using far less resources.. maybe comporable to tanks or global agenda, and at least got some arenas going to shoot at each other and dance at the post office etc it could be start to a good feature. If the engine is such that they can't run on computers bought for word processing (like your best buy 500$ special) three years ago it cosumes far too much resources. Gaming computers are fine to give power players an edge when things come down to split seconds etc, but an average computer should be able to run games relatively smoothly... its not like we need resolution for the content elements.. its just a fancy tassle.
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.07.31 02:53:00 - [35] Originally by: Omara Otawan Edited by: Omara Otawan on 31/07/2011 00:12:47 Originally by: Ghoest even worse almost all of the remaining player have no interest in the vanity market. I guess thats why half of them are running around with monocles, shirts and googles already. Here's a reality check for you, even without considering the ludicrous pricing scheme the NEX store was a huge success so far. What data supports these assumptions?
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.07.31 03:11:00 - [36] Edited by: Hakaru Ishiwara on 31/07/2011 03:11:58 Originally by: Diomedes Calypso If they can find away to make incarna run using far less resources.. maybe comporable to tanks or global agenda, and at least got some arenas going to shoot at each other and dance at the post office etc it could be start to a good feature. If the engine is such that they can't run on computers bought for word processing (like your best buy 500$ special) three years ago it cosumes far too much resources. Gaming computers are fine to give power players an edge when things come down to split seconds etc, but an average computer should be able to run games relatively smoothly... its not like we need resolution for the content elements.. its just a fancy tassle. Good luck with that considering that the recommended GPU requirements are "ATi Radeon 5750 or NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460." Those are not word processing GPUs. One of my machines with a nVidia 7900GS, lots of RAM and a better than minimum spec CPU runs CQ at a whopping 15fps with all bling turned down or off. And forget about being to use the character creator with smooth movement. I chose The Door over soul crushing and valueless graphics. I can't imagine the performance of CQ with a machine running the barest minimum PC spec. What on earth is CCP going to do when they introduce real-time avatar interaction? The hardware requirements are going to leap up to and past workstation-class gear if the current Incarna / Carbon version is any indicator. CCP, with Incarna, has reset the class of hardware required to run the game reasonably well. How this impacts their bottom line and their customers' enjoyment of the game remains to be seen.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.31 04:41:00 - [37] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Ghoest So CCP lost 18 month of content development(something which keeps and attracts players.) And it gained a minuscule market for plex. They also gained nearly 18 months of development towards WoD ^^ This. ^^ The WiS MMO is a essentially a new game (that's being funded by WoD investment.) WiS is a new genre, requiring a new engine, new graphics, new interface, and complete set of new content. There's not a lot that the WiS MMO has in common with the Eve MMO. WiS is a good idea in theory (expand the franchise, appeal to more people, etc.), however, since CCP has to build the WiS MMO from scratch, Eve players are (finally) realizing that they will have to wait several years for the WiS MMO to be developed and released with a reasonable amount of content. This wait would be fine except that Eve development has been slowed to a crawl in the meantime. So the question is, has CCP developed the necessary software tools and engine infrastructure that would allow them to create and deliver WiS content in a manner timely enough to appease the Eve player base? I think the winter expansion will answer that question. ----- CCP's NeX Pricing Tiers Affordable: One PLEX Mid: 3-4 PLEX Deluxe: Only for "flamboyantly rich capsuleers" Exceptional: ??
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.07.31 04:57:00 - [38] I think CQ is currently a disaster, but it could be fantastic, and the way for it to get fantastic is more iteration. Do wish they hadn't broken all the lore though, by a forced out-of-pod experience on each and every docking. Completely ruins immersion, which is ironic, as immersion is the entire point of incarna. Well, that, and selling us ugly clothing and robot anus eye pieces.
Reaver Glitterstim Legio Geminatus	Posted - 2011.07.31 04:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Omara Otawan Edited by: Omara Otawan on 31/07/2011 00:12:47 Originally by: Ghoest even worse almost all of the remaining player have no interest in the vanity market. I guess thats why half of them are running around with monocles, shirts and googles already. I think you're a digit off. About 1/20th of the playerbase is on board with the idea. -- Thousand Papercuts Project
XIRUSPHERE Gallente The 8th Order	Posted - 2011.07.31 05:09:00 - [40] Edited by: XIRUSPHERE on 31/07/2011 05:10:04 Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim Originally by: Omara Otawan Edited by: Omara Otawan on 31/07/2011 00:12:47 Originally by: Ghoest even worse almost all of the remaining player have no interest in the vanity market. I guess thats why half of them are running around with monocles, shirts and googles already. I think you're a digit off. About 1/20th of the playerbase is on board with the idea. Sad thing is they thought trying to apply the metric strategies of EA would bear fruit where a disproportionate amount of the player base in EVE are the crazies EA chose to ignore. EVE is a game for spread sheet masochist willing to spend hours to years to stomp other peoples sand castles, it does not lend itself to being responsive or supporting of something as vile and puerile as the nex store, people using it to goad and troll others is proof in the pudding.

Diomedes Calypso Aetolian Armada	Posted - 2011.07.31 05:18:00 - [41] Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 31/07/2011 05:21:21 Originally by: XIRUSPHERE Edited by: XIRUSPHERE on 31/07/2011 05:10:04 Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim Originally by: Omara Otawan Edited by: Omara Otawan on 31/07/2011 00:12:47 Originally by: Ghoest even worse almost all of the remaining player have no interest in the vanity market. I guess thats why half of them are running around with monocles, shirts and googles already. quote] Sad thing is they thought trying to apply the metric strategies of EA would bear fruit where a disproportionate amount of the player base in EVE are the crazies EA chose to ignore. EVE is a game for spread sheet masochist willing to spend hours to years to stomp other peoples sand castles, it does not lend itself to being responsive or supporting of something as vile and puerile as the nex store, people using it to goad and troll others is proof in the pudding. But think how successful it could be if you could goad and mug people stations and maybe other ways to act like knuckleheads and crush other peoples sandcastles in avatar form I think you're a digit off. About 1/20th of the playerbase is on board with the idea.[/
Mr Epeen It's All About Me	Posted - 2011.07.31 05:19:00 - [42] Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim Originally by: Omara Otawan Edited by: Omara Otawan on 31/07/2011 00:12:47 Originally by: Ghoest even worse almost all of the remaining player have no interest in the vanity market. I guess thats why half of them are running around with monocles, shirts and googles already. I think you're a digit off. About 1/20th of the playerbase is on board with the idea. And the 2% that whine regularly on the forums are a good induction of...what? Oh... I know! They foolishly think they speak for the other 299,000 paying customers that actually log into the game and play instead of only ever logging into the forum to whine. Mr Epeen
GeneralMartok Caldari the united	Posted - 2011.07.31 05:30:00 - [43] confirming I like vanity items confirming you're too poor to afford them cry moar
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.07.31 07:06:00 - [44] Originally by: GeneralMartok cry moar You say "moar."
Max Keitt Keitt Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.07.31 08:52:00 - [45] Couldn't care less about vanity items or walking in stations. If I wanted to do that crap, I would play Second Life. Total waste. ~+=+~ TQ Power Supplies Learning to PVP
KoffeeKup Caldari Gh0st Hunters Sspectre	Posted - 2011.07.31 09:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Mr Epeen Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim Originally by: Omara Otawan Edited by: Omara Otawan on 31/07/2011 00:12:47 Originally by: Ghoest even worse almost all of the remaining player have no interest in the vanity market. I guess thats why half of them are running around with monocles, shirts and googles already. I think you're a digit off. About 1/20th of the playerbase is on board with the idea. And the 2% that whine regularly on the forums are a good induction of...what? Oh... I know! They foolishly think they speak for the other 299,000 paying customers that actually log into the game and play instead of only ever logging into the forum to whine. Mr Epeen I always love Mr Epeen's comments. Too bad he's an alt and too ***** to use his real character. He also thinks he speaks for the other 299,000 characters and never actually logs into the game, just makes terrible attempts to trollolo the forums. U mad bro?
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.31 09:24:00 - [47] Originally by: Valkris Arkayne Developing Incarna itself wasn't a waste, it's the absurd prices on the NEX store that will keep CCP from realizing any kind of profit. Yep, and probably this is the easiest thing to fix of all the issues about Incarna. Cut down every price by 2/3 and that will keep us entertained while we wait for the next release. Also would regain some hope in CCP's sourly missed comitment to excellence, as so far they appear to be comitted to botching even the simplest things for no good. BTW Valkris, congrats, you're so cute!
Don Kartel	Posted - 2011.07.31 09:59:00 - [48] Originally by: Mag's Edited by: Mag''s on 30/07/2011 23:40:45 Originally by: Ghoest So CCP lost 18 month of content development(something which keeps and attracts players.) And it gained a minuscule market for plex. It was much longer than that. Edit: But yes, I agree. Try about 5 Years that they have been working on the whole walking in stations concept and this is what they came up with. A whole new game where people pay to play dress up.
Because Of Door	Posted - 2011.07.31 10:00:00 - [49] I like my door just the way it is... it's..... comforting..... Apparently, behind it I can still spin my ship and do other useful things with my ship, in the hangar, such as easily know which damn ship I'm flying at a glance, manage cargo bays, fuel bays and so on easily, and check what weapons I have installed without opening the fitting screen... And we are now being spammed by in-game mail which requires you to pay a CSPA charge to tell them to get stuffed... nice... Ironic that the CSPA charge is there to 'minimise' spam in-game. So, in essence they are saying if you reply to this you are spamming us... oh dear...
Lu'Marat	Posted - 2011.07.31 10:22:00 - [50] Originally by: Because Of Door And we are now being spammed by in-game mail which requires you to pay a CSPA charge to tell them to get stuffed... nice... Ironic that the CSPA charge is there to 'minimise' spam in-game. So, in essence they are saying if you reply to this you are spamming us... oh dear... Wait, what? You got spammed in-game (by CCP, I guess?). Please don't tell me you are talking about the -one- message every character got for the museum milestone. Me, I really don't have a problem with Incarna. I run EVE on a reasonably current computer, no performance issues. CQ is switched off anyway because I don't need it. The NeX store doesn't affect me in any way I can tell, it doesn't stock anything I want yet so I'm ignoring that, too, which works just fine. I'm not missing any essential interface-options either, the only change for me is that I now have the "ships"-window open by default. And I got new stuff like the agent finder, which is pretty great. Alright, so I kind of miss spinning my ship but... meh, I'll live. Looking forward to the next updates and expansions though, sounds like there's a lot of good stuff ahead. (nothing but "more rooms"? where did you get THAT idea?) Hopefully they'll get some of their more embarassing internal issues in check, but I'm confident. Wouldn't be CCP if everything went super-smooth.

Cornullus Rage	Posted - 2011.07.31 10:23:00 - [51] Originally by: Omara Otawan Originally by: Mag's Originally by: Omara Otawan Yes, a disproportionally large amount of players does. Thats one way to define success, exceeding expectations. I'd like to see your source for this information. I take it you have a source stating that it isnt the case? Dont worry, pretty sure CCP will plaster it all over their website or next QEN soon enough, triggering another wave of rage in the process. In the meantime, just have a look around the local channels (or market hubs) and count monocles, navy shirts and goggles. The burden of proof is one you because you made the initial statement. Also CCP has stopped posting a QEN. The last QEN saw a noticeable downturn in the overall market.
KoffeeKup Caldari Gh0st Hunters Sspectre	Posted - 2011.07.31 10:36:00 - [52] Originally by: Because Of Door I like my door just the way it is... it's..... comforting..... Apparently, behind it I can still spin my ship and do other useful things with my ship, in the hangar, such as easily know which damn ship I'm flying at a glance, manage cargo bays, fuel bays and so on easily, and check what weapons I have installed without opening the fitting screen... And we are now being spammed by in-game mail which requires you to pay a CSPA charge to tell them to get stuffed... nice... Ironic that the CSPA charge is there to 'minimise' spam in-game. So, in essence they are saying if you reply to this you are spamming us... oh dear... Best forum alt ever. Hands down.
Ozmodan Minmatar Massively Mob	Posted - 2011.07.31 11:02:00 - [53] The only thing this thread does is make the author look silly. It pretty much shows a complete lack of understanding of the game and where it is going. Yeah we get it, you can't stand change and you want your favorite ship to be a pwnmobile. Sorry to burst your bubble, but change is inevitable, the more you fight it, the more ridiculous you look. Captains quarters are just the beginning of Incarna, there is a lot more to come. If you have not noticed, it is easily turned off if it upsets you. Also nothing has changed in the pew pew pew part of the game so you can go back and do what you were doing previously and please keep the whines to yourself. Also trying to keep alive a myth that a lot of players are leaving also makes you look silly. The servers numbers do not lie, they have not changed. Learners permit still current
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.07.31 12:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Ozmodan The only thing this thread does is make the author look silly. It pretty much shows a complete lack of understanding of the game and where it is going. Yeah we get it, you can't stand change and you want your favorite ship to be a pwnmobile. Sorry to burst your bubble, but change is inevitable, the more you fight it, the more ridiculous you look. Captains quarters are just the beginning of Incarna, there is a lot more to come. If you have not noticed, it is easily turned off if it upsets you. Also nothing has changed in the pew pew pew part of the game so you can go back and do what you were doing previously and please keep the whines to yourself. Also trying to keep alive a myth that a lot of players are leaving also makes you look silly. The servers numbers do not lie, they have not changed. Contrary to popular belief it is not "inevitable" tht all business will shoot themselves in the foot and lose money because they didnt understand their customer base. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.07.31 12:48:00 - [55] Good thing you are not in construction or any other form of development business. Incarna is fail when viewed on its own, but since it is the foundation for several other things .... same as a buildings foundation, useless block of concrete but have fun making anything work without it. Question is where else they should have put it, I for one hate the thing but would hate a 3-4Gig patch even more.
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.07.31 13:16:00 - [56] Originally by: Ghoest I dont mean a waste based on our subjective player opinions. I mean it was a waste for CCP. Not only did it alienate and drive away some player - even worse almost all of the remaining player have no interest in the vanity market. Now they are finding that in essence - they cant even give away vanity items. So CCP lost 18 month of content development(something which keeps and attracts players.) And it gained a minuscule market for plex. Nice job understanding your customer base - noobs. We warned them. Over and over for a very long time. CCP just did not listen.
Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2011.07.31 13:19:00 - [57] My god, more whining. Please, if you dont like playing Eve anymore, just quit.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.07.31 13:38:00 - [58] Originally by: Marara Kovacs My god, more whining. Please, if you dont like playing Eve anymore, just quit. àexcept that people are whining because they like EVE, and want to keep liking it. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
dorfsorc	Posted - 2011.07.31 13:54:00 - [59] seriously, adding a laggy, lightly detailed room to move around in every time we logged in was how dev time was spent? I don't know that many people in game any more (corp mates gone) but those I do know immediately disabled that nonsense as soon as they could. Where is the new "content"? you know, the stuff that keeps the game fresh and fun after years of play? its just sad to see so much dev time wasted.
Meridian Siri	Posted - 2011.07.31 14:41:00 - [60] Originally by: Marara Kovacs My god, more whining. Please, if you dont like playing Eve anymore, just quit. I did quit. But I like whining too. Now if CCP wanted me to stop whining, they could just reimburse me for the account time through Sept. Until then you get whining, *****ing, moaning, and trolling; so HTFU.



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