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JonnyRandom
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Posted - 2011.07.31 03:39:00 -
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Hi,
I remember a while back there were many discussions and analysis of lvl 4 income. People would claim things like 80-100mill an hour and stuff. What was more important for me was that, having read through all these discussions I realized that blitzing missions for LP points (and then converting the LP to ISK) was much better income than looting+salvaging.
But that was back then, when I could convert LP to ISK at about 2200 isk/lp. Now, however, with tags having gone up in price a lot and the particular item that I sell having gone down in price I'm getting a much smaller conversion rate.
I'm wondering if anyone else is in the same situation as me and wanted some advice if it's still better to just blitz for LP, or maybe it's now at such a point that getting a marauder and cherry-picking some tasty battleship wrecks while on mission is actually a better income?
I know people are usually very secretive about this, but any advice would be very appreciated.
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Jaraida
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Posted - 2011.07.31 04:13:00 -
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Well, I fly in amarrian space. Couldn't find an item worth more than 700 Isk/LP so I decided to stick with loot/salvaging. High-sec ofc.
I can't believe in getting 2k/lp without pirate factions and low sec missions.
+ you can have a noctis alt and loot while your main is blowing up ships so you don't waste a lot of time any more.
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King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.07.31 04:29:00 -
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I don't run lvl4's for anything but to kill a few minutes, so I can't comment directly. I have however noticed a massive drop in LP values over the past 6 months. Back in January I was making 2500 isk/LP with amarr navy. However the items I made were made only by me and maybe 5 other players in all of eve. They weren't anything that exotic either, just high LP requirements, giant tag requirements and they actually required some science skills to make. All of that seemed to largely weeded out the lvl4 runners so I was only competing with other lvl5 runners which were also very rare at the time. This however is no longer the case. Those items are spammed to hell and are effectively unsellable. With the more common items such as implants and ships, the returns are pretty terrible these days.
For ordinary lvl4's I suspect you are better off farming salvage and bounties rather than LP. Lvl4's pay **** all LP anyways so I just don't see the point in trying to farm LP that way. Lvl5's pay almost exclusively in LP so we don't have a choice in the matter, I've seen my income really tank this year because of the reduction in LP value. This is despite a lvl5 payout buff with the all agents being Q20 change (previously all lvl5's were Q12).
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Essensia Tsasa
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Posted - 2011.07.31 05:06:00 -
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I'm running a lvl 4 Amarrian agent down in 0.5... I usually kill with the main, then salvage using an noctis alt.
With the LP's I buy implants and sell them on the market.
On average (and if I'm selling the implants/salvage immediately), I think I'm making around 20-30 million ISK per hour.
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Valenius Dato
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Posted - 2011.07.31 06:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Jaraida
Well, I fly in amarrian space. Couldn't find an item worth more than 700 Isk/LP so I decided to stick with loot/salvaging. High-sec ofc.
I can't believe in getting 2k/lp without pirate factions and low sec missions.
+ you can have a noctis alt and loot while your main is blowing up ships so you don't waste a lot of time any more.
Spend 20 minutes looking through various LP stores and you can find worthwhile items. Currently I'm converting at around 2200-2300 and that's selling the item at about 10% below the usual selling price. Get faction standings up so you can switch to different corporations as you find items and it's easy. If that fails, go mission for a different faction.
The 2k+Lp items are out there, you just need to actually look around.
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Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.31 07:44:00 -
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I probably get a LP to Isk at 1k/LP ratio, would be higher but I sell to sell orders due to lazyness. Time is money and im no trader. I personally blitz, kind of. I speed through missions killing everything but I use a NH and have a tractor beam in the last high slot so I tractor in BS sometimes BC wrecks while killing things to increase isk/h ratio (700m3 cargo on this ship). I don't bother coming back in with the Noctis to loot/salvage because, 1) I already got the good stuff, 2) Even if I didn't its not as profitable as starting a new mission and getting the bounties from fresh kills. The bounties are worth more than the loot. The LP is just icing on the cake and is extra cash when I need it.
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Mister Agreeable
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Posted - 2011.07.31 15:51:00 -
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LP value has been going down steadily all year, and obviously bounty farming is more profitable than blitzing at a certain threshold, and only you can calculate what's more profitable *in your situation*
So open Excel and get cracking on what mission is worth what per hour at certain LP value.
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JonnyRandom
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Posted - 2011.07.31 17:50:00 -
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Yeah, that's what I meant. Before I get to that I wanted to see if anyone had already done a similar analysis and figured out at what point (lp/isk) is it better to blitz and at what point is it better to do all the bounties.
Say for example above 1000isk/lp it's better to blitz, but below that it's better to loot+salvage?
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Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.01 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: JonnyRandom
Yeah, that's what I meant. Before I get to that I wanted to see if anyone had already done a similar analysis and figured out at what point (lp/isk) is it better to blitz and at what point is it better to do all the bounties.
Say for example above 1000isk/lp it's better to blitz, but below that it's better to loot+salvage?
Depends on how fast you can kill. If you can kill rats fast, blitz, if not loot/salvage. I found out what worked for me, no one can tell you for sure what will work for you. You have to figure out the rest for yourself.
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Decus Daga
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.01 11:54:00 -
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Id say it depends a lot on a) what your flying and b) what your getting your lp for.
Personally i cherry pick as i blitz missions, but also certain missions i send an alt(or a new pilot i know for a 50/50 split of salvage/loot to grab).
IMHO, if your in say a tengu or similary with sub-600 dps, cherry pick and blitz as fast as you can, then move on, if say on a marauder or faction BS, blast though them all and salvage. The reason i say this is if your say in a tengu, and running a 500ish dps setup, by the time you have done the mission, if you dock up and grab a noctis your going to "feel" like its taking longer and its going to dis-hearten you to doing more.
But if your blitzing the missions in say a golem or even a machariel your not even going to notice the missions fly past, so a few mins spent salvaging is going to get your blood pumping for the next one.
Thats just my opinion, but it works for me :)
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Penelope Star
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.01 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Essensia Tsasa
I'm running a lvl 4 Amarrian agent down in 0.5... I usually kill with the main, then salvage using an noctis alt.
With the LP's I buy implants and sell them on the market.
On average (and if I'm selling the implants/salvage immediately), I think I'm making around 20-30 million ISK per hour.
Replace "Amarrian" with "Republic Fleet" and most of the time this is my story too 
Don't recall ever having blitzed anything.
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.08.02 15:34:00 -
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Blitzing is the highest income only if you: have high skills, have a near perfect setup, and have a high LP>Isk conversion market. Since most people won't have at least 2 of these things, blitzing usually isnt the way to go.
I don't cherry pick or blitz, I take everything and refine it. But then I'm not just doing it for the isk.
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Kilrayn
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Posted - 2011.08.02 16:32:00 -
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I've never made a spreadsheet myself, but I do run plenty of lvl 4s. The only missions I avoid are tag missions (and World's Collide, they hate my drones >.<) Other than that I run it. I'll only clean the larger ones in my noctis, not the ones like Duo of Death with few wrecks.
It's not too hard to make 30-50 mil in a few hours from bounty (depends on what missions you get). Then when you go and sell all your shiny mods/salv, you get a nice injection. I'll usually get 100-200 mil from stockpiling a few days of mission loots and selling, not to mention the +5 implants (not the best LP conversion, but they sell quickly and consistently).
I'd say as long as you're doing one or the other (looting or blitzing) your income is good.
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Mister Agreeable
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Posted - 2011.08.02 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kilrayn
I'd say as long as you're doing one or the other (looting or blitzing) your income is good.
Confirming that income is not good when you spin your ship stare at the door.
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