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Commander Knersus
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Posted - 2011.08.01 18:20:00 -
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Hi ,
We have a problem with cloaked ships that are essentially invulnerable.The problem comes in when you are trying to develop a system for your alliance and a red comes into system and sits afk in his stealth bomber or t3 cruiser.There is afaik no way of probing them down hence they can sit in sytem forever and disrupt everyday life just because they can.Can the system please be altered so that with propper skills and equipment it is possible to scan down such a ship again?It used to be possible when I started playing EVE in 2007 as far as I can remember.
It is also quite disturbing to see how much of 0.0 space belongs to Russian speaking alliances and coalitions.Mostly Red alliance,white noise ,xxdeathxx , and their pet alliances.As I can see the following areas are under their control and it seems to be almost half of eve :
Immensea Wicked Creek Insmother Scalding Pass Cache The Spire Outer Passage Etherium Reach The Kalevala Expanse Malpas Perrigren Falls Oasa Cobalt Edge Vale of the Silent Geminate Tribute Branch Tenal Detroid Tenerifis Feythabolis Impass Paragon Soul Delve
Can you guys please bring balance to the force once again?Maybe by limiting the amount of space an Alliance can occupy?At the moment it seems that they are unstoppable and they can pretty much do as they want.
Regards Commander Knersus
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2011.08.01 18:28:00 -
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How is someone that is AFK keeping you from doing your day-to-day activities? If you dock up/POS up that is your choice. Someone who is *AFK* cannot kill you. Welcome to 0.0, secure your entrances and exits and you will not have cloaky problems. Also, probing down cloaked ships was never possible, just the module de-activating due to bugs was possible therefore getting afk cloakers kills.
As far as your russian rant... Do something about it? Russians are strong because when they want to take space, they band-together as one force. EU/US alliances remain fragmented and unorganized even with a common threat. Welcome to Sov 2.0. -----------------------------------
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.08.01 18:29:00 -
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My word, aren't you a special little butter cup.
Cloaking. Working as intended. AFKing is a somewhat workable solution to the 100% risk free, instant intel tool called local. Without local, you wouldn't have that issue.
As local is going to be nerfed at some point very soon, I wouldn't worry your little special posting self about it.
Russians. So you don't like Russians, then don't go to those areas. Sorted. That whole part of your post does make you look like a tool and why I'm speaking to you like the special poster you are.
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.08.01 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's My word, aren't you a special little butter cup.
Cloaking. Working as intended. AFKing is a somewhat workable solution to the 100% risk free, instant intel tool called local. Without local, you wouldn't have that issue.
As local is going to be nerfed at some point very soon, I wouldn't worry your little special posting self about it.
Russians. So you don't like Russians, then don't go to those areas. Sorted. That whole part of your post does make you look like a tool and why I'm speaking to you like the special poster you are.
Confirming that an AFK cloaker in your nullsec system can, in fact, prevent you from doing anything because your only option in dealing with such a person is to remain docked in fear.
Seriously - nut up, bait a trap and pop the intruder. --Vel
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
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Yulinki Atavuli
Minmatar Caldari Investment and Security Industries Innovia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.01 19:55:00 -
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no and no.
cloaked ships should be able to be uncloaked. but not through simple modules and skills. i like the idea addressed before of an area effect weapon that uncloaks cloaked ships. so it takes some time and work to find them
russians you live in a sandbox. i would be agreeable to an alliance taking over high sec also. we don't live in a complete sandbox. but we need to cater to the carebears too...
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Nth Ares
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Posted - 2011.08.01 20:27:00 -
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I think Russians have a right to play the game too. If you don't like their dominance, organize and fight back. That's what the game is supposed to be about.
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Large Collidable Object
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Posted - 2011.08.01 21:33:00 -
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Yeah - russians are clearly op...
CCP! NERF RUSSIANS!
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Federal Defense Operations
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Posted - 2011.08.01 22:23:00 -
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1) Cloaks are meant to be a counter to Probes. Thus, they are working as intended.
2) A player who is truly AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD, can not hurt you.
3) A player who is cloaked, and actively spying on you, is doing their job.
4) Null Sec is not safe space. |
Thomas Turnpoint
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Posted - 2011.08.01 23:27:00 -
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Sounds to me like the whole "Russians" aspect of this thread was an excuse to complain about AFK Cloaking.
Anyone doing a thread count on AFK Cloaking whine threads? __________________________ Obi-wan only felt that way about Mos Eisley because he'd never played Eve Online |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.02 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's AFKing is a somewhat workable solution to the 100% risk free, instant intel tool called local. Without local, you wouldn't have that issue.
yeah local is overpowered, I know who's in the system, I know exactly what ship they're flying and everything that's fitted on it
idiot
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Nezumiiro Noneko
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Posted - 2011.08.02 00:39:00 -
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so...its been okay for goons, pl, NC of old, BoB and IT, etc to have pets but not the russians? Since you got delve on the list...dude you do know russian pets (if there, take your word for it, been a way a bit and not up to speed on my caod/dotlan) jsut replaced goon pets and Molle pets (hell he made delve pet land twice).
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.02 01:02:00 -
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Here we go again... so you're thinking that only russians can cloak?
Ships while cloaked can do nothing to you and you are able to use them as well. why not cloak and spend time in their systems?
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.08.02 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Andski
Originally by: Mag's AFKing is a somewhat workable solution to the 100% risk free, instant intel tool called local. Without local, you wouldn't have that issue.
yeah local is overpowered, I know who's in the system, I know exactly what ship they're flying and everything that's fitted on it
idiot
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2011.08.02 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Yulinki Atavuli
cloaked ships should be able to be uncloaked.
no they should not.
And for your russian rant, why should it be a "problem". Are russian players some kind of subhumans, not being allowed to control more than x% of the map?? Should english speaking players be treated differently the the rest of the world? why?
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Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.02 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's As local is going to be nerfed at some point very soon, I wouldn't worry your little special posting self about it.
Mag's, you know I <3 you. Linky to something about this? From everything I've ever read, :ccp: intends this to be a social game (thus the JB nerf), and local is not in their sights. Could be wrong, though.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.08.02 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Mag''s on 02/08/2011 19:36:57
Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Mag's As local is going to be nerfed at some point very soon, I wouldn't worry your little special posting self about it.
Mag's, you know I <3 you. Linky to something about this? From everything I've ever read, :ccp: intends this to be a social game (thus the JB nerf), and local is not in their sights. Could be wrong, though.
No worries bud.
It can be found here, under Eve Future. CSM_CCP_Meetings_18-20_05_2011.pdf
Originally by: CSM CCP Meeting 18-20 05 2011 Conversation then took a bit of a tangent, and Arnar mentioned that local as we know it is going to change in a Winter expansion. The CSM was taken aback by this and let fly a torrent of questions about this new ôno localö. Local, as it was explained, had to change because of changes to EVEÆs infrastructure needed for future Incarna development. However, it would be replaced by a new, yet-to-be-designed intelligence gathering tool. Local would not simply just ôturn offö and turn into delayed mode, such as in wormhole space. It is worth a repeat û local will NOT be simply turned off and/or turned into delayed mode. Arnar and Torfi both emphasized the importance of not feeling alone in space; they reasoned that the game has fifty thousand players and that it shouldnÆt feel as though youÆre alone. The CSM will be kept in the loop regarding this design when more is known.
Edit: Just to say, it seems Arnar has wanted to nerf local for quite some time. (a few years afaik)
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Yulinki Atavuli
Minmatar Caldari Investment and Security Industries Innovia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.02 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera
Originally by: Yulinki Atavuli
cloaked ships should be able to be uncloaked.
no they should not.
And for your russian rant, why should it be a "problem". Are russian players some kind of subhumans, not being allowed to control more than x% of the map?? Should english speaking players be treated differently the the rest of the world? why?
i didn't rant about Russians that was the op.
but, why should cloaking be invulnerable to being uncloaked (besides bumping into him which i have never done on purpose). i'm not talking about a weapon that does damage. i'm just talking about a bomb that does no damage but uncloaks cloaked ships within let's say 10-15k.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.02 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: Magnus Orin on 02/08/2011 20:17:27 I take an 8 month break from Eve. Come back and F&Is is still swamped with nerf AFK cloaking crybaby threads. Some things will never change.
Listen to the IRC dude. Nut up and bait the red. Or live in fear and never undock, your choice. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you. |
Cerysse D'nari
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Posted - 2011.08.02 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Knersus At the moment it seems that they are unstoppable and they can pretty much do as they want.
DTja vu... isn't that what people said about BoB and Goons before they got rolled over?
I pay respect to the Russian alliances for their achievements, if anybody has issues with their success go get your own alliances and do something about it instead of crying to CCP. Just remember that the more territory you own, the harder it is to defend.
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bartos100
DARK ADAMA Skunk Works.
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Posted - 2011.08.02 22:13:00 -
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the main reason a cloaky is a big threat is that you don't know how many there are waiting on the other end of the cyno he has so it is not a cloaking problem but a cyno problem
as for the russian problem their main force is the massive suppercap fleet they can bring to the fight and the fact that in sov warfare the only thing that counts is dps and unfortunately nothing can do more damage then a huge supper fleet
when we get more information about the changes to suppers and to sov warfare then that suppercap fleet might be worth a lot less as it does today
and always remember
EVERY EMPIRE CARRIES WITHIN ITSELF THE SEEDS OF ITS OWN DESTRUCTION
even the Russians will fall in time
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.08.02 22:58:00 -
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Hey Commander.
Grab a cov-ops and go park in Russian held space.
I somehow doubt it will instill the same fear you seem to be suffering from. But hey. You never know. You might be solely responsible for bringing an entire alliance to it's knees.
Mr Epeen
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.08.03 00:09:00 -
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Quote: i'm just talking about a bomb that does no damage but uncloaks cloaked ships within let's say 10-15k.
I believe the lockbreaker bomb will do that just fine.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.03 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Quote: i'm just talking about a bomb that does no damage but uncloaks cloaked ships within let's say 10-15k.
I believe the lockbreaker bomb will do that just fine.
The lock breaker bomb breaks locks. it is an ECM bomb. Since cloaked targets cannot lock anything (and thus are completely harmless) why would a lock breaker bomb have any effect on one? Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you. |
Dead Bait
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Posted - 2011.08.03 19:03:00 -
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You seem to be confused, thinking most of those regions are Russian....
Living out there, I see a lot of South Americans, Eastern Europeans, Australians, Scandinavian, and North Americans.
Those areas are just not purely USA / ENGLAND blobs, and are quite diverse.
They don't like you either.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2011.08.03 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Knersus Hi ,
We have a problem with cloaked ships that are essentially invulnerable.The problem comes in when you are trying to develop a system for your alliance and a red comes into system and sits afk in his stealth bomber or t3 cruiser.
It's not your system, it's their system now. Maybe you can negotiate a rental agreement, or just buy the system off them.
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Bootleg Jack
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Posted - 2011.08.03 22:14:00 -
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www.learn-russian-language-software.com
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.08.03 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Tronic on 03/08/2011 23:21:58 Edited by: Jack Tronic on 03/08/2011 23:21:48 Edited by: Jack Tronic on 03/08/2011 23:20:56 All cloaky ships are hugely nerfed to make up for their cloaking. Bombers have the tank of a ibis and T3s equipped with covert subsystem lose a HUGE amount of dps. If you are afraid of PVP by a target that has only the ability of sneakyness to kill you, you sir are pathetic. Drones from a domi would eat a bomber alive(granted most domi pilots ratting are ******s and don't abandon their med drones and launch lights fast enough). Other pve ships should be able to lol tank a covert t3 long enough for help. Most recons are useless for soloing(lol IMMA WEB YOU IN A RAPIER), but I suppose ht emost threatening would be a pilgrim who would die in a fire if you don't fit dumb, their entire dps comes from drones.
If you make cloakies probable then the only counterbalance would be to add slots to bombers to provide a tank, give the T3s a 80% dps output bonus, and give pilgrims turret slots.
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The lock breaker bomb breaks locks. it is an ECM bomb. Since cloaked targets cannot lock anything (and thus are completely harmless) why would a lock breaker bomb have any effect on one?
AoE weapons/effects uncloak everything, regardless of damage done or not. Just like ECM bursts.
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Serpenser
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Posted - 2011.08.04 02:38:00 -
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Edited by: Serpenser on 04/08/2011 02:38:58 I would counter the argument about the Russians by making the statement that the do not like us! They have organized themselves and using the tools that this sandbox game gives them (and yes some meta gaming) have carved out a nice amount of space for themselves.
If you don't like what the Russians are doing then organize a resistance against them using the tools that this sandbox game gives you (and perhaps a little meta gaming) and reduce the amount of influence that they have.
Hell, I think that would be EPIC! That's what this game is all about.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2011.08.04 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Caldera on 04/08/2011 08:14:10
Originally by: Yulinki Atavuli
but, why should cloaking be invulnerable to being uncloaked (besides bumping into him which i have never done on purpose).
1)because it would miss its purpose for instance. Cloak is there as counter against probes and for being safe from other people of you're doing it right (not near celestials or structures).
2)noone should be able to claim the territory for exclusive use, space is not yours. If cloak would have counters, you would remove the last tool which allows you residing in any part of the space with a certain safety level. Ratting paradises with no real threat would be possible, no afk cloker with cyno could park there. You could practically build up your ratting paradise next door to hostile forces with them being unable to do **** if you're a bigger blob.
For example, we live in tenal (Raiden.), merciless are hostiles living in an NPC space. They cannot contest our sov on their own but they park their cyno afk cloak chars in our systems to harass us where its possible. Of course, its not fine for us and **** annoying but if that would not be possible, they could do absolutely nothing against our blob and we would have a ratting paradise there, with hostiles next door living. Thats broken. If you want a safe place, remove your enemies or look for a place far from NPC space/empire. What they do was my big hobby a year ago and its fun and required to be allowed/possible. Cloaky hostiles camping systems are a essential part of the game, add risk to 0.0 carebearing pockets and allows assymetrical warfare against a bigger blob of people. Nobody forces you to living in 0.0 space, if you cant deal with the rules, you should not go there.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.08.04 14:25:00 -
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Вы сумасшедший братан - Nulla Curas |
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