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Bart Starr	Posted - 2011.08.02 23:33:00 - [1] I heard someone say that they saw someone in Uedama chat talking about a class-action lawsuit to be filed against CCP. Is it true? Has it finally come to this? I mean, CCP has been about as ethical as Enron lately, and we all know where Kenneth Lay and Jeffery Skilling ended up. We all know what happened to Arthur-Anderson. And Incarna IS really offensive, but does it really rise to that level of grievance?
Rashino Zea	Posted - 2011.08.02 23:37:00 - [2] lol, no
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.08.02 23:38:00 - [3] Incarna is nowhere near what Enron was. CCP would have to practically shoot someone to get that bad. Doesn't mean someone wouldn't want to sue them. Its also possible that they were named in a suit along with many other companies as part of a larger suit, because when you sue someone, you sue everyone who might be related to the grievance.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.08.02 23:40:00 - [4] Dear op, when ever you see that in local. Make sure to troll the crap out of them and make them rage beyond comprehension. Tis the EvE way of life. Also, they are prolly full of crap.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.02 23:46:00 - [5] Now, nowà All Enrion did was inflate its earnings through poorly applied mark to market and hide its losses in illegally set up not-quite-third party entities. Ley was uninformed (and then dead), and Skilling was overconfident and too high on his own supply. The really fun stuff happened with the fees Fastow and Kopper could pull out of the whole mess. àand Kopper almost got away with it too. CCP is just being stupid ù different thing. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Ayieka Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.02 23:48:00 - [6] class action lawsuit? more like ass action lolsuit.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.08.02 23:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Ayieka class action lawsuit? more like ass action lolsuit.
Selinate Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.02 23:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Ayieka class action lawsuit? more like ass action lolsuit. Depending on whose ass is getting the action, I might or might not support this.
Speaker4 theDead Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.03 00:53:00 - [9] Err, what CCP has been doing lately is laughable, but I doubt there's any liability involved in sloppy coding and poor performance. If that were true, Microsoft would be out of business. Current Subscription6 Months- Canceled Account Expires09 August 2011 - 4:04 am (in 7 days)
Montevius Williams Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.03 01:15:00 - [10] Originally by: Bart Starr I heard someone say that they saw someone in Uedama chat talking about a class-action lawsuit to be filed against CCP. Is it true? Has it finally come to this? I mean, CCP has been about as ethical as Enron lately, and we all know where Kenneth Lay and Jeffery Skilling ended up. We all know what happened to Arthur-Anderson. And Incarna IS really offensive, but does it really rise to that level of grievance? Wow did you just compare Enron to EVE? Do you even know what ENRON was? I live in CA and believe me, CCP is NO WHERE NEAR ENRON in terms of ethics To quote Jules from Pulp Fiction: their not even in the same freaking ball park. It ain't the same league. It ain't even the same freaking sport.

Ghoest	Posted - 2011.08.03 01:26:00 - [11] If you want to sue CCP take them to small claim court. Youll have much better luck. Anytime a customer seriously mentions "class action lawsuit" with respect to a video that a tell that youre deraling with an idiot. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Jack Tronic	Posted - 2011.08.03 01:32:00 - [12] Lulz class action lawsuits are the winz. Here's how they all turn out. Lawyers get millions. Each consumer gets a $1 coupon.
Maman Brigitte Licentia Ex Vereor Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2011.08.03 01:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Ghoest with respect to a video that a tell that youre deraling with an idiot. When calling other people idiots, proofreading comes highly recommended.
Sassums Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.03 01:44:00 - [14] Edited by: Sassums on 03/08/2011 01:45:02 Remember how you had to hit "I agree" in some form when you made an account? Yes those EULA's and TOS's prevent you from doing some as ignorant as suing a game company. If you don't like their game, don't play it. It isn't rocket science to figure that out. Just like the idiots that sued McDonalds. If you don't want to get fat, don't eat there. Or get your fat ass on a treadmill.
Vaako Horizon	Posted - 2011.08.03 03:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Sassums Edited by: Sassums on 03/08/2011 01:45:02 Remember how you had to hit "I agree" in some form when you made an account? Yes those EULA's and TOS's prevent you from doing some as ignorant as suing a game company. If you don't like their game, don't play it. It isn't rocket science to figure that out. Just like the idiots that sued McDonalds. If you don't want to get fat, don't eat there. Or get your fat ass on a treadmill. The EULA is what it is. I am not sure how it is in other countries but in sweden, if CCP actually does something that is illegal by swedish laws the EULA is null and void ( EULA cant circumvent the law ). That said, so far I havent seen CCP breaking any laws, swedish or otherwise. They are just being BEEP
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.08.03 03:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Ayieka class action lawsuit? more like ass action lolsuit. _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.
The Antiquarian Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.03 03:34:00 - [17] Class action lawsuit? The guy has no gasp of reality and lacks any high school education. And the OP, I sincerely hope that you understand how the class action lawsuit works and you are not here to inflame needless and baseless "rage" against CCP. And how Enron debacle is whole lot different than CCP's recent action. It's like comparing Barack Obama to Adolf ******. Why bring up a point from a public chat brought up by a teen with no decent education?
Headerman Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.08.03 03:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Bart Starr I heard someone say that they saw someone in Uedama chat talking about a class-action lawsuit to be filed against CCP. Is it true? Has it finally come to this? I mean, CCP has been about as ethical as Enron lately, and we all know where Kenneth Lay and Jeffery Skilling ended up. We all know what happened to Arthur-Anderson. And Incarna IS really offensive, but does it really rise to that level of grievance? shut up.
Sassums Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.03 06:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Vaako Horizon Originally by: Sassums Edited by: Sassums on 03/08/2011 01:45:02 Remember how you had to hit "I agree" in some form when you made an account? Yes those EULA's and TOS's prevent you from doing some as ignorant as suing a game company. If you don't like their game, don't play it. It isn't rocket science to figure that out. Just like the idiots that sued McDonalds. If you don't want to get fat, don't eat there. Or get your fat ass on a treadmill. The EULA is what it is. I am not sure how it is in other countries but in sweden, if CCP actually does something that is illegal by swedish laws the EULA is null and void ( EULA cant circumvent the law ). That said, so far I havent seen CCP breaking any laws, swedish or otherwise. They are just being BEEP Well of course they could get in trouble if they do something illegal, but they aren't
Lu'Marat	Posted - 2011.08.03 06:05:00 - [20] Hurr Burr yet another troll thread brought to you by Bart Starr. I can only guess you either lack details about who or what that Enron thing was, or you are really bad at the whole compare and contrast business. Move along. Didn't you quit?

Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.08.03 06:08:00 - [21] Just takes some 'legal for dummies' and half-assed reading through the EULA to understand these things are covered. By all gaming companies. It's pretty standard to basicly say "we owe the intellectual property as well as the hardware, and reserve all right to do what the ** we want with it. You agree to these terms". TL;DR CCP can delete your characters, send harrassment emails to your mailbox, block your mother for no other reason than her being ugly and fat, etc, if they just feel like it. And you agreed to it. Anyone bullting in local about trying to do a lawsuit against CCP is just exactly doing that, bull**ting. Feed their trolling a bit and have some lols at the reactions. -
Verun Joral	Posted - 2011.08.03 08:16:00 - [22] Edited by: Verun Joral on 03/08/2011 08:16:43 There's nothing for them to file a suit about, CCP is only legaly obliged to provide access to the servers to play the game and a limited amount of support, that's it, nothing else, even then they can pull the plug at any time they want and their only legal obligation would be to refund remaining subscription values. Moraly they are obliged to provide a lot more, but this is not legality and the only thing that keeps them providing more than they have to is their need to keep people paying, you can cancel your subscription, but you can't sue them.
Written Word Written Word's Tax Haven	Posted - 2011.08.03 10:47:00 - [23] I, too, rely on local to provide me 100% factual information.
Cunane Jeran Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.03 11:30:00 - [24] Originally by: Ayieka class action lawsuit? more like ass action lolsuit. This.
Meryl SinGarda Caldari Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team	Posted - 2011.08.03 12:09:00 - [25] More like, class-action lawsuit against derps. Fly safe, Die hard
Pok Nibin Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.03 12:11:00 - [26] Edited by: Pok Nibin on 03/08/2011 12:12:25 Originally by: Tippia Now, nowà All Enrion did was inflate its earnings through poorly applied mark to market and hide its losses in illegally set up not-quite-third party entities. Ley was uninformed (and then dead), and Skilling was overconfident and too high on his own supply. The really fun stuff happened with the fees Fastow and Kopper could pull out of the whole mess. àand Kopper almost got away with it too. CCP is just being stupid ù different thing. Ummm...don't forget shutting down power plants then claiming a shortage of power raised the rates ... hiding oil in pipelines then claiming it didn't exist 'cause it wasn't in the tanks, and raising the prices due to a shortage...the State of California especially would appreciate that mention. Class action suit? You have to have class first. Obviously that's in short supply here. Please wait as this sig- nature finishes loading
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.03 12:31:00 - [27] Edited by: Tippia on 03/08/2011 12:35:13 Originally by: Pok Nibin Ummm...don't forget shutting down power plants then claiming a shortage of power raised the rates ... hiding oil in pipelines then claiming it didn't exist 'cause it wasn't in the tanks, and raising the prices due to a shortage...the State of California especially would appreciate that mention. Yeah, but most of that was just rules-lawyering and gaming the system ù finding every last loophole in the (de)regulation and squeezing it for everything it was worth. Granted, much of their dealings with California were pretty much hinging on the politicians screwing up the deregulation to make it all possible, and from what I understand, they lobbied pretty hard to make that happen. àthe ôinventiveö accounting and off-book entities were plain old against every financial law in existence and caused SOX. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Serene Repose Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.08.03 12:43:00 - [28] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 03/08/2011 12:35:13 Originally by: Pok Nibin Ummm...don't forget shutting down power plants then claiming a shortage of power raised the rates ... hiding oil in pipelines then claiming it didn't exist 'cause it wasn't in the tanks, and raising the prices due to a shortage...the State of California especially would appreciate that mention. Yeah, but most of that was just rules-lawyering and gaming the system ù finding every last loophole in the (de)regulation and squeezing it for everything it was worth. Granted, much of their dealings with California were pretty much hinging on the politicians screwing up the deregulation to make it all possible, and from what I understand, they lobbied pretty hard to make that happen. àthe ôinventiveö accounting and off-book entities were plain old against every financial law in existence and caused SOX. But that's the beauty of it. CCP is hiding our game inside a vampire and a dirt game claiming there's a shortage! My karma ran over my dogma.
Ineka	Posted - 2011.08.03 13:00:00 - [29] Originally by: Selinate Originally by: Ayieka class action lawsuit? more like ass action lolsuit. Depending on whose ass is getting the action, I might or might not support this. Yours and CCP's one. It's called social interaction
Kirkland Langue	Posted - 2011.08.03 13:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Bart Starr I heard someone say that they saw someone in Uedama chat Did anyone really need to read beyond this part?

Jonni Favorite Red Slice Enterprise The Company LLC	Posted - 2011.08.03 13:49:00 - [31] I get all my news in Loldama local
RaTTuS BIG Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.08.03 13:57:00 - [32] can I buy this LoLsuit with AUR? Join BIG
Bane Necran Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.03 14:09:00 - [33] Edited by: Bane Necran on 03/08/2011 14:10:34 Takes me back to my brief time trying WoW. Seemed everytime a class was nerfed or something was changed dozens of threads appeared threatening class action lolsuits. I will only support this if the claimant is put before Judge Judy, and verbally abused for 15 minutes.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.08.03 14:09:00 - [34] Originally by: RaTTuS can I buy this LoLsuit with AUR? You get yourself a normal LoLsuit, I'll get myself a Clown Action LoLsuit. All children will be terrified. --------
I'mEmo	Posted - 2011.08.04 23:47:00 - [35] I do find it interesting that when you put CCP and Lawsuit together the result is a ton of attention which means to me that CCP is proably doing something wrong, not necessarily illegal. It also SEEMS to me that people do want CCP sued, but for what, being ass hats? What CCP does or does not do, is it really actionable? Seriously, what attorney would file a class-action against them? Pa Leez! If you feel grieved and think your claims has merit or feel the EULA is legally defective in your jurisdiction you would fare much much better in a small-claims action than you would in some class action. CCP WOULD HAVE TO defend against a class action, they couldn't afford not to. Now a small claim is a different matter all together, could they really afford to fight it. Seems like bad business sense to pay 'real life' legal counsel when what can usually fix the issue is something not 'real life' and most likely would be cheaper, easier and less damaging for them than a law suit would be. Could you imagine if someone did file a lawsuit against CCP, and WON! You'd have every 12 year old in game suing over stupid stuff. Then you would see the end of any advances in this game. It would be disterous in biblical proportions, fire and brim stone, river and seas boiling, 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanoes, the dead rising from the grave, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, It'd be mass hysteria,
daddys helper	Posted - 2011.08.05 00:01:00 - [36] so someone in local said "we ought to have a class action suit against CCP" and you rushed right on over to post it on the forums. comon... what you heard didn't even happen did it. naaa, just some half baked excuse for a half-assed troll post. you sir, win the internet /golfclap
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2011.08.05 00:12:00 - [37] Originally by: I'mEmo I do find it interesting that when you put CCP and Lawsuit together the result is a ton of attention which means to me that CCP is proably doing something wrong, not necessarily illegal. It also SEEMS to me that people do want CCP sued, but for what, being ass hats? What CCP does or does not do, is it really actionable? Seriously, what attorney would file a class-action against them? Pa Leez! If you feel grieved and think your claims has merit or feel the EULA is legally defective in your jurisdiction you would fare much much better in a small-claims action than you would in some class action. CCP WOULD HAVE TO defend against a class action, they couldn't afford not to. Now a small claim is a different matter all together, could they really afford to fight it. Seems like bad business sense to pay 'real life' legal counsel when what can usually fix the issue is something not 'real life' and most likely would be cheaper, easier and less damaging for them than a law suit would be. Could you imagine if someone did file a lawsuit against CCP, and WON! You'd have every 12 year old in game suing over stupid stuff. Then you would see the end of any advances in this game. It would be disterous in biblical proportions, fire and brim stone, river and seas boiling, 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanoes, the dead rising from the grave, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, It'd be mass hysteria, It's the greifer mindset, only upgraded to level 5. Some people simply enjoy taking what others have. For a lot of posters, I think it comes down to the fact that THEY feel burnt by CCP for those guys in Iceland not doing exactly what that player wants, so they are now trying to talk everyone into following them. Because, you know, leaving on your own just makes you a loser, right? Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Enormously Huge	Posted - 2011.08.05 00:25:00 - [38] Originally by: Sassums Edited by: Sassums on 03/08/2011 01:45:02 Just like the idiots that sued McDonalds. If you don't want to get fat, don't eat there. Or get your fat ass on a treadmill. Didn't those guys win?
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.08.05 00:29:00 - [39] Originally by: I'mEmo I do find it interesting that when you put CCP and Lawsuit together the result is a ton of attention which means to me that CCP is proably doing something wrong, not necessarily illegal. Not really, it just means the eve-o forums (much like the internet in general) are basically a shark tank and making a terrible post about a lawsuit is the equivalent of cutting off your finger just to see how the sharks will react.
Dalloway Jones Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.08.05 10:47:00 - [40] Anyone considering a class action suit against CCP for Incarna should have his tiny little brain removed and placed in a museum for study.

War Kitten Panda McLegion	Posted - 2011.08.05 11:24:00 - [41] Originally by: Kirkland Langue Originally by: Bart Starr I heard someone say that they saw someone in Uedama chat Did anyone really need to read beyond this part? Nope, that was about as far as I got. Back to Wisconsin with you Bart!
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.08.05 13:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Jonni Favorite I get all my news in Loldama local Thanks for the tip, moving an alt right away!!!111!23 -
Flynn Fetladral Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.05 13:33:00 - [43] /me facepalms Follow Flynn on Twitter
Fredfredbug4	Posted - 2011.08.05 13:37:00 - [44] You've fallen for a jita scam before haven't you?
Ranger 1 Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2011.08.05 14:36:00 - [45] The rumor is true, we are demanding compensatory cookies. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.


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