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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.08.04 13:50:00 -
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 Originally by: GM Homonoia
DISCLAMER: The following is my personal opinion and does not necessarily constitute the official position of CCP.
Until a court of law decides otherwise, the principle of the "magic circle" applies. Is it allowed to hit someone in the face and break his nose? No, this is forbidden by law. However, in the magic circle of a boxing match this is allowed; those are part of the rules of the game and everyone stepping into the ring should have familiarized themselves with those rules.
Nail meet head, +1
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.08.04 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Tron Flux
It gets back to the GMs post above. CCP sells you something totally protected: gtc, after that it's your choice to bring those protected gtc into the magic boxing ring.
Why is it called a "magic circle" and a "boxing ring" when it's square?
It's an atavism.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.08.04 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolus on 04/08/2011 14:14:29
Originally by: Sandrestal
There is one tenuous aspect here that trouble me. All that is said about CCP owning everything may be true and if there was no sanctioned connection between rl money and isk, all would be good. The problem we have are plex cards. Plex establishes a link between isk and cash and is sanctioned by CCP. So you can use rl money to buy isk and just the opposite is true also....that you can use isk as rl money to pay for your acct. I suspect a smart lawyer could use this idea as the foundation for a clever lawsuit.
If plex buyer has no isk and sells a card for 600 million isk and then buys and loses a spaceship, there stands the possibility of bringing suit for not the loss of the tangible object i.e spaceship, but for the pain and suffering endured. The lost ship was purchased using rl money and not from the effort of working in game to earn the isk. While the "magic circle" may cover most cases, if a boxer used something like brass knuckles hidden inside his gloves or it was found out that someone paid the ref to not step in quick enough to end a fight and a boxer died...then a crime was committed. If you rent a apartment, the building may belong to the landlord but the possessions you buy and move into the apartment are yours. So CCP has to be very careful as to how they manage the rl money and game connections or someone really well off may decide to test CCP on who really owns what in the game.
As a aside, has there ever been a case where game items ownership was challenged in a court of law?
Not trying to be facetious or bother you honestly, but you seem to be missing that many new games these days have all manner of DLC or various perks that can be purchased to enhance one's gaming experience.
Of special note are the numerous P2P games that have content and equipment that you literally have to purchase with real life transactions in order to gain access to or acquire.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.08.04 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sandrestal
Originally by: Tippia
But again: the ship wasn't bought using RL money. What RL money bought you was a GTC/PLEX, and once you got your hands on that, the connection to real life was cut. The transaction is complete, and you have what you wanted.
Not neccessarily. If you buy in r/l a item that was stolen by somebody else, the item is not yours to keep if the real owner finds out the item is in your possession. As long as there is a connection of r/l money to isk, the link is not broken and a good lawyer may find some law on the books that upholds that. Stretching it a bit perhaps, but such cases crop up in r/l so don't discount the possibility it might happen.
Sorry friend, this is a slippery slope that few dare tread, as most people have at least enough common sense to realize where things like this lead.
Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.08.04 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolus on 04/08/2011 16:57:59
Originally by: Sandrestal
Other than bans, has any isk seller been prosecuted? Been sued by CCP? By doing nothing of real consequence, CCP is saying it is OK to sell isk.
What, you mean entering into diplomatic talks with countries such as China to extradite their nationals to Iceland for prosecution?
Good luck with that.
This is the real world, not the world of sugar plum fairies. International crime is just as hard to prosecute in real life, let alone crime concerning virtual goods, and even more remotely so with profiteering on closed circuit intellectual property in online entertainment venues.
Most industrialized countries in the world are not even equipped to handle their own internal crime to begin with.
This discussion is an exercise in frivolity at best, as others have so kindly explained without explicitly saying it.
Edit: CCP bans the offenders as best as possible, just like the majority of online game developers have for a decade or so now.
Beyond that, good luck buddy, good luck.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.08.04 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolus on 04/08/2011 17:06:38
Originally by: Ranger 1
If somebody steals from me and I decide for whatever reason not to press charges, that does not mean that theft is no longer a crime.
Other than that, refer to the post above this one.
Exactly, ISK sellers are committing crimes sure, but the laws to prosecute them either do not exist, or are impossible to enforce across international borders.
@Sandrestal, all you have to do is look at landmark cases in just the past few years to know this.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.08.04 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sandrestal
Originally by: Mendolus
Edited by: Mendolus on 04/08/2011 17:06:38
Originally by: Ranger 1
If somebody steals from me and I decide for whatever reason not to press charges, that does not mean that theft is no longer a crime.
Other than that, refer to the post above this one.
Exactly, ISK sellers are committing crimes sure, but the laws to prosecute them either do not exist, or are impossible to enforce across international borders.
@Sandrestal, all you have to do is look at landmark cases in just the past few years to know this.
If you care to link some rl case where a seller of ingame currancy for rl money was prosecuted I'd certainly read it with interest. Just what crime are isk sellers committing? Not trying to be obtuse or dense.
Not sure I understand your confusion, do you not understand intellectual property rights and how they are or are not able to be applied internationally? Not all countries even have intellectual property rights in their legal verbatim yet, let alone active cases working their way through the system.
I am not getting paid to look up legal documents and records for an anonymous poster on the internet. Please do your own research.
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