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Mattduk
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Posted - 2005.02.27 12:24:00 -
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Hi all.
I'm sure this topic has been chewed on a miiion times in teh past, but I figured, since nothing is ever done about it, it needs a tad more chewing.
A coupel vorp mates and I were mining in Yuzier the other day... Harmless mining... a carebear's wet dream, I know.
We hadn't been at it long, when an industrial ship belonging to Marion Quicksilver shows up and after he sequentially bumped each of our ships (he was a harmless ****), he then swiped some ore. No biggie really, but my point here is that this char, which was boastd to be an alt, was able to happily, in broad spacelight, swipe ore with absolutely zero repercussions. This is like walking into sainsburies, in a busy "safe" town and walking out with a trolley full of groceries, with nobody being able to do anything about it...
Surely there must be a way that ccp can add a feature where ore thieves have to be somewhat intelligent, and somewhat clever to get away with theft. Surely they can add some kind of penalty or risk to this activity.
It would certainly be nice to be able to actually do something about it, rather than sit there and watch an industrial crawl towards your can at 150m/s, unable to do a damn thing but, well, sit there and watch it crawl towards you at 150m/s!
No flames please... how about a decent discussion about ore theft and how it can be changed for the better, for both ore thieves (add excitement) and victims (add a solution)
Regards
Mattduk
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.02.27 12:30:00 -
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 Quote:
Jettison:
1. To cast overboard or off: a ship jettisoning wastes; a pilot jettisoning aircraft fuel.
2. Informal. To discard (something) as unwanted or burdensome: jettisoned the whole marketing plan.
n.
1. The act of discarding or casting overboard.
2. Jetsam.
Discussion over - thanks for posting. 
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Mattduk
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Posted - 2005.02.27 12:31:00 -
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Guess he's an ore thief...
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.02.27 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mattduk
Guess he's an ore thief...
Nope - don't do that - consider it impolite.
Don't whine - adapt or quit.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.02.27 12:35:00 -
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Lock please...
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.02.27 12:38:00 -
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I can remember there once being an idea about criminally flagging ore thieves. But of course in all fairness, someone else suggested that the thief be able to defend himself.
Then someone came up with the concept of stealing ore in a Raven and the whole idea got scrapped. 
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Mattduk
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Posted - 2005.02.27 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz
Lock please...
Why?
listen... you got me all wrong... I want to be able to fight the guy. That's what I really want. He can fight back too, not a problem. But being able to steal in broad daylight with no consequences is pure ludicrous. If that is the case, why not be able to kill in pure daylight too?
Theft is still a crime isn't it?
Everybody gets all worked up about the hangar sorting issue and a long discussion follows, but when it comes to an aspect of gameplay, all I get is pirate gankers, who want to remove instas so they can gank more easily, whining about carebears.
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feiht'd'ero
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Posted - 2005.02.27 13:21:00 -
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yeh kill all teh thieves
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.02.27 13:24:00 -
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well marion is in a player corp you can always declare war on the corp.
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Dinay Minche
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Posted - 2005.02.27 13:29:00 -
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CCP've already come up with a solution. Cans with password protection. They were inserted into the game ages ago, whats the problem?
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Vernn
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Posted - 2005.02.27 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Vernn on 27/02/2005 13:33:22
Don't let the trolls bother you Matt. These forums have a dedicated group of people with the mentality "OMG everyone is so dumb and they need to die because they are infringeing on every right I have and no one is ever right except me anyway and only my opinions matter". See:God Complex
"Discussion over - thanks for posting."
"Don't whine-adapt or quit"
Such an insightful and prophetic individual!
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Falbala
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Posted - 2005.02.27 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Falbala on 27/02/2005 13:38:08
I you want to open fire on ore thieves you go mine in 0.4 or below.
If you don't want that then you use secure containers.
If you don't want to use secure containers then you ask a friend or use an alt account with an indy to go mine with you.
If you don't want that you go to the other side of the belt and you bookmark a roid for insta jump with the indy when you see an ore thieves coming.
If you don't want that use a Vexor or something with big cargo and drop the ore in the station each time.
If it is still not enough maybe you should do something else than mining lol.
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Vernn
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Posted - 2005.02.27 13:40:00 -
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I don't believe the original thesis of the post was one of want of ways to avoid having your ore stolen, but rather the fact that it is an unscrupulous act that should warrant the victim the right to attack said thief.
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Mattduk
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Posted - 2005.02.27 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Vernn
I don't believe the original thesis of the post was one of want of ways to avoid having your ore stolen, but rather the fact that it is an unscrupulous act that should warrant the victim the right to attack said thief.
BINGO!!!  We have a winner!
Thanks Vernn. 
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Falbala
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Posted - 2005.02.27 13:57:00 -
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I don't know about this specific problem they never got any single bit of ore from me.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.02.27 13:59:00 -
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The urge to murder someone for a lesser crime is, frankly, disturbing.
Get help.
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Vernn
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Posted - 2005.02.27 14:08:00 -
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LOL Avon
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Steno
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Posted - 2005.02.27 14:32:00 -
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I still find it rather ironic that i can steal ore out of someone's can but I can't put anything into their can. So eve has gone from the suggestion once of criminally flagging ore thieves to making it harder on those group mining and muc easier for ore thieves to exploit them. Wonder why CCP has such a big turn around in their perception of ore thievery.
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Orroit Arkid
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Posted - 2005.02.27 14:56:00 -
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Pickpocketing in rl is illegal, but if I were to shoot someone for doing that to me, thats not legal either.
If it really bugs you, declare war on them and hunt them down mercilessly. Alternatively, just mine some more ore.
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Steno
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Posted - 2005.02.27 15:04:00 -
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can't declare war on an alt in a NPC corp, especially one that when the do get a bad rating just is deleted and recreated.
I have my own ways of dealing with the ore thieves but why the change to jet cans where things can be taken but not added? such a huge change in concept from CCPs original stance that taking from cans would criminally flag.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.02.27 15:24:00 -
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Death to everyone!!
But no, really, there's no need for the anti ore thieves and ore thieves to yet again flame each other, please post nicely.
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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.02.27 15:33:00 -
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10 minute flagging as criminal to the corp you stole from. :P
If you cant get him in 10 minutes you wont get him.
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Antic
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Posted - 2005.02.27 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mattduk
Originally by: Vernn
I don't believe the original thesis of the post was one of want of ways to avoid having your ore stolen, but rather the fact that it is an unscrupulous act that should warrant the victim the right to attack said thief.
BINGO!!! We have a winner!
Thanks Vernn.
I agree that ore theft has to be dealth with. But the problem with just making ore thieves instantly PVPable once they pick ore from a can will make people wanting to gank miners to fly into belts in their gankageddons etc and pick stuff from your can then blast you to pieces when you get to "defend yourself" As you will never ever see CCP implement a system where you can shoot the ore thief but he cant shoot you back.
Making secure cans hold more ore would help but havent seen any action on that.
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Salusa VC
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Posted - 2005.02.27 15:40:00 -
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I 'hate' Ore Thieves as much as the next miner, but accept that they are a part of the game.
What gets me is the gutless people who use alts to do it. Whilst I dislike the 'professional' Ore Thieves, they get my respect for doing it with thier main chars.
All the people using alts to do it should grow a pair.
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ORE checker
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Posted - 2005.02.27 15:42:00 -
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I GOT IT!
A bomb that you can put in your can and set a timer on when the ore thief comes rolling up in their indy!
Or a booby trap on the can with a password!
That would be priceless. Or theif rolls up, miner fly's away, ore thief thinks he gets some easy pickins and BOOM!
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Mattduk
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Posted - 2005.02.27 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Death to everyone!!
But no, really, there's no need for the anti ore thieves and ore thieves to yet again flame each other, please post nicely.
Thank you Wrangler.
I don't have a solution. I really don't. But some kind of change is required, because there is nothing stopping people making a living out of stealing ore, with no comeback from the authorities.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.02.27 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vernn
I don't believe the original thesis of the post was one of want of ways to avoid having your ore stolen, but rather the fact that it is an unscrupulous act that should warrant the victim the right to attack said thief.
And, Einstein, I pointed out that it's called a JETTISON can - and that means you threw it away, ffs.
You're reply quoting me in an earlier post did a great job at taking things out of context. Is the original poster your alt or something? You both seem to have trouble accepting the 'rules' of EVE...
They gave you the tools to avoid thieves - secure cans.
If you think they're not big enough, talk to ccp nicely with some suggestions instead of using a game mechanic to try to get round the prablem and then whining when someone else picks up your 'trash' from the JETTISON can...
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2005.02.27 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mattduk
I don't have a solution. I really don't. But some kind of change is required, because there is nothing stopping people making a living out of stealing ore, with no comeback from the authorities.
There is a solution and it's called secure containers. I've never really got used to mining in secure containers, I think they are much to small for starters but that is a whole other discussion 
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Mattduk
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Posted - 2005.02.27 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Puppy
Originally by: Mattduk
I don't have a solution. I really don't. But some kind of change is required, because there is nothing stopping people making a living out of stealing ore, with no comeback from the authorities.
There is a solution and it's called secure containers. I've never really got used to mining in secure containers, I think they are much to small for starters but that is a whole other discussion
Then it's not a solution.
Secure cans are too small to make it a valid option.
I am not arguing over the definition of jettison. That is just ridiculous in the first place. It is a word ccp has used for putting something in a container in space, if it was really a true jettisoning of items then it would not require a container, it would just be released into space as it is.
The whole point of this post is to discuss ways to implement a penalty on ore thieves, or to design a recourse for ore thief victims. Not to discuss the meaning of "jettison".
Please stay on topic, thanks
Mattduk
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Falbala
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Posted - 2005.02.27 21:54:00 -
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If you want to fight for your ore you go in 0.4 or even better in 0.0. Attacking people in high security could be abused in many ways, griefers would love stuff like this, like free named loot in my can for newbies, bang bang you see the story.
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