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Kumq uat
Gallente
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.06 18:13:00 -
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Looks like someone actually believed the hype.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.08.06 21:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Digital Messiah
Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 06/08/2011 17:39:50
Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 06/08/2011 13:51:11
The EVE universe has always been a place where the increase in performance separating better modules from more basic ones, or level 5 in a skill from level 4, is (mostly) measured in tiny percentages.
If you're buying, say, special-issue Kameiras armour rather than the default Amarrian armour in DUST 514, then it's not suddenly going to turn you into a God Made Flesh against whom small-arms fire patters harmlessly like soft rain. No, it's going to give you, like, an extra midslot and 5% faster reload speed.
If somebody with the basic sniper rifle headshots you from cover two hundred yards away, you're still just as dead and your fancy, expensive armour really didn't help much. That's the nature of the game we're playing - better tactics trumps better equipment.
Don't overreact.
The EVE universe never had 'gold ammo'. With DUST going live it will. Without knowing how much better the pay2win items will perform there is no way to know if we need to worry or not. However knowing CCP overreaction sure looks like a more appropriate alternative.
It is as if you intentionally ignore the part where he says "can be bought with isk as well." Get a life troll.
He says no such thing. Learn to read.
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.08.06 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 06/08/2011 21:59:12
Originally by: Valei Khurelem
We still have to pay for game time and they haven't announced yet they are going free to play.
In interviews it's strongly implied that virtual goods sales will be funding the development of the game. There has been no mention of a monthly fee. Of course, the game isn't going to be free to play initially since there's that initial cost, but beyond that I think it's somewhat safe to assume that the game won't feature a monthly fee.
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Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
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Posted - 2011.08.06 22:23:00 -
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More seems like a cheap salesman speech for a fail project called Dust.
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IIIAsharakIII
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.08.06 23:01:00 -
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How will Dust514 even be a MMO? Its on a console, and console maps have population restrictions....
So its really just another ****ty FPS with a sci-fi twist.
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Someone might want to tell them they aren't creating anything new or controversial, so they can stop wasting money before its too late and the whole damn company folds.
Also, how is $60 (and the EU equivalent) a low entry to the game?
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.08.06 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: IIIAsharakIII
Also, how is $60 (and the EU equivalent) a low entry to the game?
Where did you even get this number? CCP hasn't announced any pricing details.
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IIIAsharakIII
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.08.06 23:22:00 -
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Lets call it a "forecast".
Its been a long time since I've seen a console game go for less than $60 upon release. Considering their attitude towards MT, I see no reason why they would lower the price just to be special.
Even if the game is selling for $10 a month later (which could happen if it sucks), they'll still try to milk it during the first month of sales. After all, there's plenty of suckers in the world.....
Ironically, if its less than $60 upon release, then you know you're just getting a graphics engine with a half dozen static maps. Like I said, just another ****ty FPS with a sci-fi twist.
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.08.06 23:55:00 -
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Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 06/08/2011 23:56:02
We haven't even played the game, let alone seen any concrete gameplay on it and you're already grading its quality? Do you even realize how ridiculous that is?
Dust 514 is a PSN title, and I've never seen any PSN exclusive titles release above $29.99. The only title on the PS3 that I find comparable to Dust is MAG, and that was released at the mentioned price. I expect that Dust will feature the same release cost.
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Daemonspirit
Six Degrees of Separation
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Posted - 2011.08.07 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi
In before poor peasants QQ.
Monocle; Definition: A place-holder for a skull-shagging.
Tell me you haven't thought it!
Wormholes:
Then *new* end game of Eve.
No Local. No Lag. No Blues. No Blobs!
*NOW* with a whole new feature!
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.08.07 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Stupid McStupidson
Obvious hyperbole is obvious
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Mitauchi
NOMAD.
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.08.07 01:44:00 -
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So many haters and trolls. If you don't like the idea of Dust 514 don't play it. If they produce a decent shooter out of it, lots of people I know will play it.
And for everyone freaking about pay to win in Dust impacting Eve? Wake up people, no matter how you want to twist it. Buying Plex = Buying ISK = Buying ships = Buying Win. Anyone who wants to dump enough money into Eve can get whatever they want right now without having to work for it. Why would anyone think DUST would be any different? You can buy characters, ships and whatever else you need in Eve. The only thing that sets players apart in Eve is experience, this will be the same case in DUST.
The supposive advanced gear you buy with AUR in Dust is also available to every other player for regular ISK, they will just have to grind for it just like we do in Eve.
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Athena Tarsis
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.08.07 04:26:00 -
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Ah, now I get it. Eve is a game full of Chicken Little's.
I've never seen so many people hyper-analyzing so much and just trying to find something that they can twist into an obscure interpretation that supports a 'doom is imminent' viewpoint.
I can't wait for their subs to run out.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.08.07 04:42:00 -
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I can't fap outrage to this
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.08.07 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Digital Messiah
Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 06/08/2011 17:39:50
Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 06/08/2011 13:51:11
The EVE universe has always been a place where the increase in performance separating better modules from more basic ones, or level 5 in a skill from level 4, is (mostly) measured in tiny percentages.
If you're buying, say, special-issue Kameiras armour rather than the default Amarrian armour in DUST 514, then it's not suddenly going to turn you into a God Made Flesh against whom small-arms fire patters harmlessly like soft rain. No, it's going to give you, like, an extra midslot and 5% faster reload speed.
If somebody with the basic sniper rifle headshots you from cover two hundred yards away, you're still just as dead and your fancy, expensive armour really didn't help much. That's the nature of the game we're playing - better tactics trumps better equipment.
Don't overreact.
The EVE universe never had 'gold ammo'. With DUST going live it will. Without knowing how much better the pay2win items will perform there is no way to know if we need to worry or not. However knowing CCP overreaction sure looks like a more appropriate alternative.
It is as if you intentionally ignore the part where he says "can be bought with isk as well." Get a life troll.
He says no such thing. Learn to read.
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allowing players to purchase advanced weaponry, battle gear and vehicles using both earned virtual currency and real money
In previous interviews it was even more clearly stated that while some items will only be available for original purchase with real money, they could be resold on the secondary market with ISK.
This is no more pay to win than EVE currently is.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.08.07 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Razin on 07/08/2011 16:23:48
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Digital Messiah
Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 06/08/2011 17:39:50
The EVE universe never had 'gold ammo'. With DUST going live it will. Without knowing how much better the pay2win items will perform there is no way to know if we need to worry or not. However knowing CCP overreaction sure looks like a more appropriate alternative.
It is as if you intentionally ignore the part where he says "can be bought with isk as well." Get a life troll.
He says no such thing. Learn to read.
Quote:
allowing players to purchase advanced weaponry, battle gear and vehicles using both earned virtual currency and real money
In previous interviews it was even more clearly stated that while some items will only be available for original purchase with real money, they could be resold on the secondary market with ISK.
CCP made many statements about PI and WIS/Ambulation/Incarna before release, and look at what we have now. The statement you quoted doesn't say that virtual and real money will be able to buy the same equipment and that's all that matters. You really need to learn to read CCP's fearless-speak.
The concern I expressed was based on CCP's over-cavalier attitude about DUST-EVE integration expressed in the quoted press release. Knowing CCP's culture of :awesome: and their throw-sheat-against-the-wall game development methods, I think there's definitely grounds for worry. Otherwise I couldn't care less about how DUST works internally.
Originally by: Ranger 1
This is no more pay to win than EVE currently is.
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Posted - 2011.08.07 16:29:00 -
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lol
you folks must be blind, its not a boon to rich players
ITS PAY 2 WIN BY PROXY!!!
eve will not have p2w, but dust will, and that will affect eve players.
so eve players who don't own dust will be as they are now, but eve players who own dust will have p2w available that translates over to eve and in effect grants certain eve players the ability to P2W IN EVE
we've been hoodwinked again by CCP
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shar Depran
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Posted - 2011.08.08 01:49:00 -
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Pay to win by proxy, interesting statement when realistically the interface between EVE and this so call FPS console game will in fact be minimal unless CCP has lied to itÆs community once again, Ooops, did I actually infer that CCP might disenfranchise itÆs players in this underhanded manner, I believe I did, Screw it,
However who among us would be surprised about this smear having a grain of truth at itÆs heart, are not monoà.. one eye spectacles, being bought by the millions, High heels by the gross and frilly skirts by the hundreds in all colors as long as itÆs rusty shapeless brown.
Look guys and gals, you have been right royally screwed over by CCP, they have taken your money and offered you what in return, a game full of bugs they cannot find time to patch as they rush headlong down the path of greed in a vain effort to save a company groaning under the weight of debtÆs not of our making, Yet it is you the player addicted as you are to this virtual world that are going to foot the bill for this and more.
P.I. was offered as an expansion of player interaction within EVE or so we were led to believe, yet all along it was actually only ever a single person activity with no player interaction at all except for the market, The inference buried deep in some of the statements released by CCP was that at sometime in the future, P.I. would become a lever to allow the opening of game changing **** from a console game of all things.
This recent statement confirms the worst fears of a lot of us in that P.I. access via console to activities within EVE no matter how tenuous they may appear will have game changing consequences for all of us, in other words EVE players that are console owners will be able to influence EVE play without ever having to enter EVE at all, or indeed even own an EVE account, or are we missing something here.
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Olleybear
Minmatar
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2011.08.08 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: Olleybear on 08/08/2011 03:00:44
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DUST 514 will be supported by revenues from the in-game sale of virtual goods, allowing players to purchase advanced weaponry, battle gear and vehicles using both earned virtual currency and real money from their PlayStation wallet.
So Dust:
RM -->> Items
or
ISK -->> Same Items
Sounds a lot like Eve, for example:
RM -->> PLEX -->> ISK -->> Items
or
ISK -->> Items
The problem will come if the following happens to Dust or Eve:
RM -->> Items that cant be bought/made/earned any other way.
Thats Pay2Win unless I am mistaken and not what they what they are planning.
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.08.08 03:03:00 -
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depends on the price.
assumption, dust will cost $20
all in game items can be bought with real life money-cheap prices
all in game items can be bought with in game money.
i have a feeling the weapons/armor will be pay per day/week/month usage. so like $1 will get a gun for a month, or pay 2 mil isk, from getting kills and what not.
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Hicksimus
Gallente
Plan-It Xpress
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Posted - 2011.08.08 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Originally by: isk4trade
"The actions of ground troops and orbiting attack fleets are tightly interwoven, with the real time actions of players in one game directly affecting the other. A single bullet fired on the planet below can pivot the balance of power in EVE Online. Every action has consequences, and every reaction has the potential to topple empires."
Yeah... go save some Retriever in your Rifter to get invited to their alliance, and turn the tide of a great war. Because we all know that really happens.
This was the dumbest thing I ever saw....and I'm not referring to your post I'm referring to how CCP plays a version of EvE that they apparently forgot to release.
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