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Bart Starr	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:38:00 - [1] Edited by: Bart Starr on 08/08/2011 21:39:33 I'm kind of curious about the EVE shooting community. While I imagine that the National Rifle Association and the EVE Community have limited overlap, you never know.... What kind of arsenal are you packing? (And silly jokesters, I'm not talking about genitals or biceps, but actual weapons.) Do you participate in any shooting sports? Trap/skeet? Hunting? Have it for self defense? NRA member or not? Personally, I own four: 8mm German K98 Mauser, bolt action. Have this mostly for historical interest, though the Canadians gave me a hard time crossing the border with it. One border guard, at first, claiming it is a 'military' weapon, before his supervisor waved me through.) I use this mostly for 'for fun' target shooting, or when walking out in bear country alone. Nice flat trajectory, essentially a 30.06, with more expensive ammunition. Learn how to reload spent brass on this, however. Chinese SKS, Cheap toy I bought 12 years ago. These things are a lot of fun, lacking in accuracy, but the ammo is dirt cheap Russian short. Chinese used them in the Korean War, have a huge muzzle flash, wasting most of the powder charge. Tip: They eject spent casings straight up, so the SKS tends to annoy people on a crowded firing line, raining hot brass on the people next to you. Romanian WUM-1, 'sport AK-47'. Another, slightly more expensive toy. No, its not fully automatic (I wish) - typical semi-auto 'assault rifle'. Best part? Cheap ammo and the 75-round drum I picked up for it. Nothing beats burning through a full drum in 20 seconds, before calling it a day. Just don't touch that barrel afterwards - will give you a nasty burn! Another old war relic: P.08 1938 9mm Luger Bought this at a gun show down in South Carolina. A little pricy, and requires careful cleaning. But it has a nice heft, and is quite accurate. Not much use against a rampaging mama grizzly, however. Based on the stamps/markings, this particular Luger was first captured by the Soviets, then mysteriously ended up in the US. Keep this one for fun at the firing range and in my truck for self-defense purposes. So, Eve players, share! Whats in your gun cabinet?
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:42:00 - [2] We're not allowed guns in England. The government is afraid we'll try to quell some colonial rebellion or something.
Abaroth Charmar	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:45:00 - [3] None, because I don't have insecurity issues with my fellow countrymen or an inferiority complex concerning small mammals. I also have no homoerotic desire to shoot pieces of wood/paper with other men, whilst talking about the length and bore of my barrel and competing over who can shoot their load most accurately. If no-one had guns, no-one would need guns.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:47:00 - [4]
Kraven Stark Caldari Atavism Industries	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Abaroth Charmar I don't have insecurity issues with my fellow countrymen or an inferiority complex concerning small mammals. I also have no homoerotic desire to shoot pieces of wood/paper with other men, whilst talking about the length and bore of my barrel and competing over who can shoot their load most accurately. This describes me perfectly as well. OP, I have a 12 gauge Mossberg 500 12ga that I target and trap shoot with for fun. Nothing like cheap entertainment with a laud bang.
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.08.08 23:02:00 - [6] Just an inherited demi auto Remington shot gun. Good for trap shooting which is a ton of fun. For other target shooting i'd like to own a USP .40 or a Springfield 9mm for cheaper ammo. As far as rifle goes i'd like to get an M1a and change out the stock a bit, but that's rather expensive, and .308 ammo isnt all that cheap anymore. Not the best target rifle really. .22's are good for plicking around.
Taedrin Gallente Zero Percent Tax Haven	Posted - 2011.08.08 23:19:00 - [7] None, but my dad has a civil war era black powder rifle. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Muent Dai	Posted - 2011.08.08 23:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Abaroth Charmar None, because I don't have insecurity issues with my fellow countrymen or an inferiority complex concerning small mammals. I also have no homoerotic desire to shoot pieces of wood/paper with other men, whilst talking about the length and bore of my barrel and competing over who can shoot their load most accurately. If no-one had guns, no-one would need guns. Sounds like you've put a lot of thought into how you don't want to talk about these things. Makes one wonder why you're so defensive.
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.08.08 23:42:00 - [9] Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 08/08/2011 23:45:21 Originally by: Abaroth Charmar None, because I don't have insecurity issues with my fellow countrymen or an inferiority complex concerning small mammals. I also have no homoerotic desire to shoot pieces of wood/paper with other men, whilst talking about the length and bore of my barrel and competing over who can shoot their load most accurately. If no-one had guns, no-one would need guns. Then we'd all be like England in which people bludgeon or stab people to death instead of shooting them. Face it people seem to have an affinity for violence. Weapons just make it a less tiresome affair than the good old days of strangling someone, or pushing them in front of a Jaguar. (Edit not the car in the olds days they were too unreliable to use for homicide) You also seem to put alot of thought into gay activities and how they relate to various hobbies. Perhaps you should further inquire into your own sexuality. EG: Go to a liberal arts school to experiment and or find yourself or just do a good ole fashioned " Gay check".
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.08.08 23:55:00 - [10] Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 08/08/2011 23:55:49 Do I have to include the ones I have loaned out and the others that I am building? BTW love the tank pics where can I get one?

Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.08.09 00:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 08/08/2011 23:55:49 Do I have to include the ones I have loaned out and the others that I am building? BTW love the tank pics where can I get one? You'll need to go here and get this.
Headerman Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.08.09 00:32:00 - [12] My old man has many rifles, shotguns as well as revolvers and other pistols. I know he has a Lee Enfield, K98, a German semi auto rifle, an authentic WW2 Samurai sword from a Japanese POW/body.. Pistols, he has a Luger, as well as two PPKs. Got many more i need to go and catalogue them. Also has a .22 with a scope to use to keep wild animals away from the alpacas too :)
Ayieka Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.09 03:59:00 - [13] when a mosin is only 100 bucks, why doesn't everyone own one?
Caldari Citizen20090217	Posted - 2011.08.09 09:55:00 - [14] Real me don't use guns, they insert the bullets manually.
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.08.09 14:46:00 - [15] Edited by: Wilhelm Riley on 09/08/2011 14:46:35 Originally by: Caldari Citizen20090217 Real me don't use guns, they insert the bullets manually. Like this?
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.08.09 14:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Ayieka when a mosin is only 100 bucks, why doesn't everyone own one? I bought one years back for 70 bucks :-) It's got the Soviet stamp on it, 1947 production year, with cruciform bayonette. Maybe a good close range hog hunting gun that you can stick him with if the bullet fails (beats having to pin him and use a boot knife - from my experience) Used to have an Enfield Jungle Carbine (No. 7). in .308 - one of those Ishapores. Kicked like a freaking mule. Something was appealing about the ridiculous flash hider.
Kijo Rikki Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard	Posted - 2011.08.09 15:11:00 - [17] I don't own one, never had an interest. I've served in the military and fired M-16's and M-247's. One time I was on guard duty at 2AM in NTC (so blank ammunition). I was walking and BSing with my partner with the butt of an M-16 resting on my left shoulder and my finger ....gently....resting on the trigger. Gun buffs probably know what happens soon but yeah, I had a hot casing lodged in my ear. Personally I think if I owned one I'd probably shoot myself by accident, and I occasionally have the kind of temper that I would not trust having one within reach. Killing with a gun is so impersonal, when you have to do it face to face I think it gives one time to think about what they're about to do.
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.08.09 15:18:00 - [18] There's no such weapon as an M 247... And I know if I popped a round off even a blank they'd have sent you to mass for negligence.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.08.09 15:25:00 - [19] Let me show you my favoured gun. unzips --------
Kijo Rikki Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard	Posted - 2011.08.09 15:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Blacksquirrel There's no such weapon as an M 247... And I know if I popped a round off even a blank they'd have sent you to mass for negligence. M-249 Squad Automatic Rifle, my bad. And no. They did not.

Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.08.09 15:46:00 - [21] Whatever you have, don't do this. (of course if everybody who was that dumb did that, the world might improve) Once, I was at a range in South Florida and you could tell they had a clique there by the attitudes. Saw a fellow walking around with his fat gut hanging out and a pistol in the waistband. Picked up my rifle and left.
Bodrul Caldari Paragon. Nulli Tertius	Posted - 2011.08.09 15:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Whatever you have, don't do this. (of course if everybody who was that dumb did that, the world might improve) Once, I was at a range in South Florida and you could tell they had a clique there by the attitudes. Saw a fellow walking around with his fat gut hanging out and a pistol in the waistband. Picked up my rifle and left. CCP block words like pen1s ;) so ur link doesnt work :P also does BB guns count as thats as close to firearms you will get in England lol ............ "you dont need a reason or a three piece suit to argue the truth" Game Reviews
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.08.09 16:30:00 - [23] The last two that I bought were Soviet SKS-45 and Danish m/40S.
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.08.09 16:56:00 - [24] Oh wait, I do own some firearms!
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.08.09 17:15:00 - [25] Thankfully I have no personal inadequacies, and have better things in life to spend money on than buying firearms to make myself feel big. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.08.09 17:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Verone Thankfully I have no personal inadequacies, and have better things in life to spend money on than buying firearms to make myself feel big. I thought you were from the UK?
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.08.09 17:51:00 - [27] Originally by: Verone Thankfully I have no personal inadequacies, and have better things in life to spend money on than buying firearms to make myself feel big. Yeah cause playing EVE is so much better... Man a bit of narrow mindedness. You can target shoot and still not be a gun nut ya know. Trap/target shooting is a ton of fun. If you haven't tried shooting as a hobby i'd say you're not in a position to judge it. To be honest anyone that takes anything to the extreme is bad news bears.
Kel'Taran	Posted - 2011.08.09 18:01:00 - [28] 1 - Ar-15 4 - 1911 .45 acp 1 - Glock 35 .40 1 - 30-06 Remington 3 - 12 gauge Shotguns 3 - .22 pistols 1 - luger 9mm WWII pistol 2 - .22 rifles 1 - .17 hmr rifle Working on the money for a barret .50 cal http://www.barrett.net/firearms/m107a1
Bart Starr	Posted - 2011.08.09 18:20:00 - [29] Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Oh wait, I do own some firearms! Ahaha, that reminds me of the joke about the woman who set herself ablaze while trying to gas up her car, and promptly got arrested 'for waving a firearm'. Yeah, I remember my days back in university, we would actually have shooting events. Between us we had quite an arsenal. M-14s, AR-15s, AK's, SKS's, even an M-1 Garand, plus a variety of shotguns and handguns. Alaska is blessed with a lot of open space for un-regulated unsupervised shooting activity. We'd bring students from the Lower 48 cities that have never held a gun before (+ girls ) and teach them firearm safety and maintenence. Then we would go and shoot pumpkins, soda bottles, old appliances and propane canisters. Hell of a lot of fun, if you've never done it - and we only had to exclude one dumbass who thought it was a funny joke to point unloaded firearms at people. Its amazing how many people are simply anti-gun because they've never tried it before, and their opinions change radically once they've learned something. My Finnish girlfriend, for instance.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.08.09 18:29:00 - [30] Originally by: Bart Starr Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Oh wait, I do own some firearms! Ahaha, that reminds me of the joke about the woman who set herself ablaze while trying to gas up her car, and promptly got arrested 'for waving a firearm'. Yeah, I remember my days back in university, we would actually have shooting events. Between us we had quite an arsenal. M-14s, AR-15s, AK's, SKS's, even an M-1 Garand, plus a variety of shotguns and handguns. Alaska is blessed with a lot of open space for un-regulated unsupervised shooting activity. We'd bring students from the Lower 48 cities that have never held a gun before (+ girls ) and teach them firearm safety and maintenence. Then we would go and shoot pumpkins, soda bottles, old appliances and propane canisters. Hell of a lot of fun, if you've never done it - and we only had to exclude one dumbass who thought it was a funny joke to point unloaded firearms at people. Its amazing how many people are simply anti-gun because they've never tried it before, and their opinions change radically once they've learned something. My Finnish girlfriend, for instance. Reminds me of a special "ladies shoot" I worked as a range officer for years ago. We has USPSA "pepper popper" targets that are roughly a few feet tall and have a little inverted bowling pin shape but more round at the fat end. The idea is to have a smaller target to shoot at in the shorter 10 yard minimum range needed to shoot steel targets. They are very common in the shooting sports and found on almost every action range. Everything went well until one of the women said "hey, those are the size of little children". Oooh boy. Had to explain that one.

Barakkus	Posted - 2011.08.09 20:00:00 - [31] Originally by: Abaroth Charmar None, because I don't have insecurity issues with my fellow countrymen or an inferiority complex concerning small mammals. I also have no homoerotic desire to shoot pieces of wood/paper with other men, whilst talking about the length and bore of my barrel and competing over who can shoot their load most accurately. If no-one had guns, no-one would need guns. I don't own any guns, just a few bladed weapons, but the way the world is going as of late, I may just go out and get some...at least I'll be able to defend myself when/if the **** hits the fan. ...I just have to make sure my wife doesn't shoot me first tho... - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Sasio Shihari	Posted - 2011.08.09 20:06:00 - [32] Just an inherited .20 gauge skeet gun. I too am surprised by the number of people here who don't believe a person can own a gun for sporting purposes.. Loosen up, folks.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.08.09 20:19:00 - [33] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Abaroth Charmar None, because I don't have insecurity issues with my fellow countrymen or an inferiority complex concerning small mammals. I also have no homoerotic desire to shoot pieces of wood/paper with other men, whilst talking about the length and bore of my barrel and competing over who can shoot their load most accurately. If no-one had guns, no-one would need guns. I don't own any guns, just a few bladed weapons, but the way the world is going as of late, I may just go out and get some...at least I'll be able to defend myself when/if the **** hits the fan. ...I just have to make sure my wife doesn't shoot me first tho... I recommend that you go to a range where they rent out guns and rent some guns first, and try as many as you can. Otherwise you are going to end up being the kind of person I like: someone who buys a gun, hates it, and then sells it a year or two later for a reduced price and it's hardly been shot. I love those deals. ♥
Raetherana	Posted - 2011.08.09 22:26:00 - [34] I got kimber TLE .45 Sig Pro 2022 .40 cal M1A1 Springfield .308 walther pk 380 (its the wifeys) and thats it
Hydraka	Posted - 2011.08.09 22:43:00 - [35] Originally by: Raetherana walther pk 380 (its the wifeys)
Iggy Stooge Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.08.10 08:06:00 - [36] Fortunately I have a working brain, and a fully functioning pen1s, so I don't need a gun.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.08.10 09:38:00 - [37] Edited by: baltec1 on 10/08/2011 09:39:36 Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Abaroth Charmar None, because I don't have insecurity issues with my fellow countrymen or an inferiority complex concerning small mammals. I also have no homoerotic desire to shoot pieces of wood/paper with other men, whilst talking about the length and bore of my barrel and competing over who can shoot their load most accurately. If no-one had guns, no-one would need guns. I don't own any guns, just a few bladed weapons, but the way the world is going as of late, I may just go out and get some...at least I'll be able to defend myself when/if the **** hits the fan. ...I just have to make sure my wife doesn't shoot me first tho... You can buy a tank for only ú20000 in the UK which is a much better investment as it means everyone elses weapons in this thread are useless against you. You also dont have to pay the congestion charge in London
Shadowsword The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva	Posted - 2011.08.10 10:38:00 - [38] I don't feel threatened, and I don't take pleasure from killing animals, so I don't own guns. ------------------------------------------
Bart Starr	Posted - 2011.08.10 12:44:00 - [39] Edited by: Bart Starr on 10/08/2011 12:44:55 Originally by: Shadowsword I don't feel threatened, and I don't take pleasure from killing animals, so I don't own guns. Huh. I don't feel threatened. Nor do I take pleasure in killing animals. Fully functional above the neck AND below the waist. Yet, I own several firearms. Weird.
kerradeph Gallente FMOFMC	Posted - 2011.08.10 19:03:00 - [40] I don't have any firearms, but I do have a few martial weapons. bo staff, recurve bow, several knives, and I've made a few practice swords.

Ravenzfire Caldari New Eden Scientific Association	Posted - 2011.08.10 21:10:00 - [41] Originally by: Bart Starr Edited by: Bart Starr on 10/08/2011 12:44:55 Originally by: Shadowsword I don't feel threatened, and I don't take pleasure from killing animals, so I don't own guns. Huh. I don't feel threatened. Nor do I take pleasure in killing animals. Fully functional above the neck AND below the waist. Yet, I own several firearms. Weird. Huh, yeah that is pretty weird. Well damn, that just screws up my ability to just stereotype anyone with a gun. Now what? Stag Arms AR15 Taurus 1911 .45 ACP Glock 22 .40
Iggy Stooge Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.08.10 22:21:00 - [42] Originally by: Bart Starr Edited by: Bart Starr on 10/08/2011 12:44:55 Originally by: Shadowsword I don't feel threatened, and I don't take pleasure from killing animals, so I don't own guns. Fully functional above the neck AND below the waist Your posts on this forum are proof that the first part of this statement is untrue, and so I feel at liberty to doubt the second part also.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.08.10 23:02:00 - [43] Before people bash firearms, you shoudl read 1984 and soylent green. With that being said. I own an old 222 remmington, 17 hmr, and a walther p22. Oh and to those who own that mossberg shotgun. o7 Im living with you guys during the zombie apocolypse. I have food and a chainsaw.
Templar Dane Amarr Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.08.11 00:59:00 - [44] 12 gauge mossberg pump for all-purpose duty, birthday gift when I was a teenager .45 for the knockdown 9mm with a...."special" mag for.......ummm.......being able to throw a lot more lead than one would expect. Anymore the .45 is just a backup, I kind of fell in love with the 9mm because of the stupidly excessive magazine.
Ayieka Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.11 01:48:00 - [45] Edited by: Ayieka on 11/08/2011 01:48:19 speaking of shotguns, why is this thing even legal? Boomstick also i want it.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2011.08.11 01:49:00 - [46] Just a Remington Nylon 66 .22 and some BB Guns. I live in So Cal and up until my senior year in High School ('69), me and my buddies could go out to the desert to shoot but then dirt bikes and dune buggies got really popular and that was the end of that ... One time ... one of the guys had brought an old WWII US Helmet liner and a couple of the guys walked out ... say 500 yd.s and put it on a post. So we shot at the thing for a while (never hit the helmet liner, though we hit the post and sand around it) then got bored and quit. Twenty minutes later - a dune buggy came up over the back of the dune the post was stuck in and drove right past it. sigh that's when we realized we weren't all alone out there any more ... I never liked range shooting ... shrug ... and none of us were hunters (to lazy to do all that work turning an animal into a sandwich when we could just buy one ...) but we did like hiking around the country side and shooting at tin cans and such gave us something to do. You can still hike about the country side but ... the days of being able to fire off high powered military rifles ... are pretty much over. If anyone has someplace they can still do that in So Cal - don't tell anyone ... Of course the other thing about the dirt bikes and dune buggies ... was they turned the desert floor to powder. We weren't big environmentalists ... but breathing that dust for a couple of days ... So ... we stopped going to the desert ... Ah ... Paradise Lost! shrug . Orbiting vs. Kiting Career Agents
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.08.11 04:51:00 - [47] Originally by: Ayieka Edited by: Ayieka on 11/08/2011 01:48:19 speaking of shotguns, why is this thing even legal? Boomstick also i want it. It is likely legal because of the fixed magazine, and they kept various size requirements like barrel length and overall length. Lots of pumps are legal with pistol grip. Interesting shotgun, 14 regular size shells. I wonder if it will work with Aguila minishells.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.08.11 05:12:00 - [48] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 11/08/2011 05:16:59 Originally by: Ayieka Edited by: Ayieka on 11/08/2011 01:48:19 speaking of shotguns, why is this thing even legal? Boomstick also i want it. That is the most sought after shotgun in the United States right now. I put in an order 15 (14 for the company I work for, 1 for us to keep) and I don't even have an estimated arrival date. Edit: In fact, I have only seen one so far in the wild. It was on Gunbroker.com and the auction price went insanely high. I believe over $3000 for a $500 gun!
ChromeStriker	Posted - 2011.08.11 08:44:00 - [49] Edited by: ChromeStriker on 11/08/2011 08:46:18 Hi crazy gun nuts o/ i made my own i took one of these a couple of these and then strapped them onto my own vertion of this im writing up the build, concepts, ect n might make a blog if people are interested? and for those who think its all bunnies and flowers compared to your american pistols n rifles n shotguns n n stuff, i strapped one of these ...to it and it quite happilly fire'd 200 of these ...in under 3min ( i havent bothered with true fire rates yet as its prone to missfires and untill iv sorted the feed rate theres not much point ) - Nulla Curas
Wrayeth EdgeGamers Situation: Normal	Posted - 2011.08.11 09:22:00 - [50] Savage Arms Model 93G(L) bolt action .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (The "L" stands for left-handed - yes, left-handed firearms actually exist!) Springfield Armory XD(M) 9mm. Has a 19-round magazine standard. Armalite AR-10 National Match 7.62x51mm NATO (will also safely fire .308 Winchester) For the person who mentioned having trouble finding reasonably priced .308, it really depends on what you're looking for. You can get military surplus 7.62mm NATO (assuming your rifle can fire it; not all rifles that can fire .308 Win will safely fire 7.62x51mm NATO) pretty cheap. I picked up my current stock of German military surplus from J&G Sales in Prescott, AZ for about $0.40 per round (paid $400.00 before tax for a case of 1000). -Wrayeth --> Insert Useless Signature Here <--

Brisco County The Shadow Plague Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.08.11 11:41:00 - [51] I'm sure all of these guns will come in handy when teh ebil gubment comes a-knockin'! I can picture a bunch of hicks with what they think is an impressive arsenal just getting mowed down by modern tanks and cavalry. Obviously, our well-regulated militia is a myth.
Kel'Taran	Posted - 2011.08.11 14:04:00 - [52] Nah man, the arsenal is for the zombie apocalypse that is coming :)
ChromeStriker	Posted - 2011.08.11 14:35:00 - [53] Originally by: Kel'Taran Nah man, the arsenal is for the zombie apocalypse that is coming :) World war Z the movie!! - Nulla Curas
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.08.11 16:33:00 - [54] Originally by: ChromeStriker ...to it and it quite happilly fire'd 200 of these ...in under 3min ( i havent bothered with true fire rates yet as its prone to missfires and untill iv sorted the feed rate theres not much point ) BALLS OF STEEL! ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Vogue Short Bus Pole Dancers	Posted - 2011.08.13 21:14:00 - [55] Edited by: Vogue on 13/08/2011 21:16:20 Offering ú1000 for a contract on myself for summary execution. You know I am good for it .................................................. Fortress Of Solitude
Chris Audacity	Posted - 2011.08.14 00:39:00 - [56] Fired a bunch of guns at the shooting range for fun, hand cannons (44 or something like that, 6 shooter), M16, rifles and all that jaz. Would never own one myself let alone keep one in the house. Iv'e known 2 people who have taken their lives with shotguns (would they take their lifes another way, who knows?) they have had in their houses and heard of the horror stories where a kid gets a hold of pops gun to play with and they end up dead. So no thanks. Although if I had money to burn I would maybe keep one at a range if I was going that way.
Shalia Ripper Caldari The Elevens	Posted - 2011.08.14 02:51:00 - [57] I formerly owned a Kimber .45 Compact Custom and a Browning 9MM BDM. The Kimber was a sweet Commander sized .45 and the BDM was very interesting as it had a selector switch that would change it from DAO to standard DA. Linky. Both have now been sold for financial reasons. BTW, if you ever buy a Kimber, they have a very high resale value. Parting with mine was damn difficult.
Gibbo3771	Posted - 2011.08.14 10:41:00 - [58] I have an Apache Pen1s
Hoya en Marland	Posted - 2011.08.16 00:10:00 - [59] Magnum 357 and AKS-74 I've brought from war. Both fully operational.
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.16 00:40:00 - [60] Bushmaster AR-15 Rockwell Arms AR-15 stripped lower receiver (where I live, this is considered a legal firearm) Sig Sauer 556 Glock 19 Gen 2 Glock 23 Gen 4

Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.08.16 00:51:00 - [61] It just occurred to me that all of you mentioning owning a gun or more look like hillbillies. ♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2011.08.16 00:57:00 - [62] Originally by: Alpheias It just occurred to me that all of you mentioning owning a gun or more look like hillbillies. you got a purdy mouth _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like.
Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.08.16 00:58:00 - [63] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: Alpheias It just occurred to me that all of you mentioning owning a gun or more look like hillbillies. you got a purdy mouth and you a Banjo ♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2011.08.16 01:11:00 - [64] from the last gun thread: The "I can't miss" gun. "The Plinker" (.308) "The AT&T" ('reach out and touch someone') (also .308) "The street howitzer" "Pinky" and "The Brain" "Grandpa" I would like to replace the Ruger M4 with a 6.8 m15. also need to get a FNP90 with matching Five-seven. not sure if i'll tackle these 2 before or after the 6.8mm When all that is done I'll get a trigicon acog for the m15 and an eotech w/ flipdown magnifier for the fnp90 after that? who knows. probably another .223 because i'll miss having one. maybe a little more old school ala m16a2 or the like /never shot a living creature, never want to //but no paper target or beer can is safe while i still walk this earth
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.08.16 01:15:00 - [65] Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 16/08/2011 01:17:18 An old classic for the gangstas among us.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2011.08.16 01:22:00 - [66] Originally by: Alpheias Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: Alpheias It just occurred to me that all of you mentioning owning a gun or more look like hillbillies. you got a purdy mouth and you a Banjo banjos are pretty cool, actually don't be hating on banjos _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2011.08.16 01:27:00 - [67] also, I almost left out, this is also on my wishlist: P226 Combat anyone considering buying a pistol should seriously look into the p226 and it's variants. This is easily, hands down, no argument, bet your kids college fund on the grave of your mother, one of the best pistols in the world. And that's a fact Jack.
RiskyFrisky Interrobang Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.16 15:07:00 - [68] I own a Savage Arms .22 Rifle and a 91/30 Mosin Nagant.
Bart Starr	Posted - 2011.08.17 18:02:00 - [69] Do military units even use flamethrowers anymore? Pretty sure I've seen pictures of them being used in Vietnam, but I haven't heard of them being used in Iraq. Probably would have been a good way to dig out insurgents strapped with explosives.
Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.08.17 18:13:00 - [70] Flamethrowers come with several disadvantages to make them worthwhile in combat situations although I wouldn't be surprised if Russia used them in Chechnya. ♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/

Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.08.17 18:41:00 - [71] Originally by: Bart Starr Do military units even use flamethrowers anymore? Pretty sure I've seen pictures of them being used in Vietnam, but I haven't heard of them being used in Iraq. Probably would have been a good way to dig out insurgents strapped with explosives. No they're outlawed by the US as well as napalm. Also White phosphorus isnt suppose to be used for combat intentional purposes. As far as the insurgence go they weren't hiding in holes. (why dig a hole in the city?) Anybody who's going to suicide bomb was doing it in a car or just walked up to a check point or market place.
Bart Starr	Posted - 2011.08.17 20:03:00 - [72] I was thinking more along the lines of "Operation Phantom Fury" - when the Marines went in a cleaned out Fallujah, as they were literally were fighting house to house. But yeah, looks like they've been made 'illegal' since Vietnam. Apocalypse Now was a great movie, especially if you willfully ignore the "I love the smell of napalm in the morning," irony Coppola was trying to introduce.
Tethys Atreides The Audacity of Huge	Posted - 2011.08.18 15:18:00 - [73] Originally by: Abaroth Charmar <Sanctimonious blather removed> If no-one had guns, no-one would need guns. So by extension, as long as people have guns, people need guns. I'll tell you what skippy, you make all of the guns in the world wink out of existence, and I'll give you my unicorn...
Makarii Araan	Posted - 2011.08.19 11:53:00 - [74] I have Stevens 308 with Zeiss 3-9x40 Marlin 22 with Vortex 4-12x40 Type 56 carbine (SKS) with red dot and laser I'm currently looking to join a pistol club which is required to own pistols in NZ
Ymirus Minmatar Fly Drunk Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.08.19 14:11:00 - [75] The only people who own guns (outside of police and army) here are criminals. It really is that simple. I for one quite enjoy the fact that firearms aren't commonplace.
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.08.19 17:15:00 - [76] Originally by: Ymirus The only people who own guns (outside of police and army) here are criminals. It really is that simple. I for one quite enjoy the fact that firearms aren't commonplace. Ahh good thing then cause no one gets bludgeoned, stabbed or run over with cars as a means of intentional murder... Oh wait. I was also under the impression criminals had to actually break the law first. I hope you never get into a position of power be medieval times all over again.... "Well chaps time to burn some heretics again!" "Why?" "Why?... Because they think different from us!"
Amar Azaph	Posted - 2011.08.19 17:36:00 - [77] I own a Glock G17 and a Glock 22C, I like my Glocks
Themanfromdalmontee	Posted - 2011.08.19 17:55:00 - [78] Guns are bad, there is no reason to own a gun other than to kill people (or animals) Guns are designed to kill, so if you own one you are a potential murderer.
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.08.19 18:50:00 - [79] Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee Guns are bad, there is no reason to own a gun other than to kill people (or animals) Guns are designed to kill, so if you own one you are a potential murderer. To be fair, you could say the same about owning kitchen knives or a plastic bag. Which reminds me.. I need more duct tape.
The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.19 23:51:00 - [80] Originally by: Abaroth Charmar None, because I don't have insecurity issues with my fellow countrymen or an inferiority complex concerning small mammals. I also have no homoerotic desire to shoot pieces of wood/paper with other men, whilst talking about the length and bore of my barrel and competing over who can shoot their load most accurately. If no-one had guns, no-one would need guns. This. OK, here's my view. Since I was born some quarter of a century ago, I've lived in 4 different countries - and I've never left my town. We had 2 wars and one bombing, mandatory military drafts, hyperinflation and crime rates going though the roof. Someone will think that we all ended up being blood thirsty savages, but it's quite the opposite. After you've survived all that while growing up, you begin to see that guns don't solve anything and all those stories about "collateral damage" are just plain old bulls***. In an environment where guns may look like a solution and many have them, the only way to accomplish something is by using non-violent methods. It's far more powerful to influence or manipulate someone than to force him with a gun to do something. Economy and influence are the weapons of this age. As far as sport and recreational use goes, I'm not against it, or against guns in general. I just don't fancy them enough to be interested to have one. Plus I'm sick of all the madness that guns caused in this country in the past.

Raetherana	Posted - 2011.08.19 23:58:00 - [81] Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee Guns are bad, there is no reason to own a gun other than to kill people (or animals) Guns are designed to kill, so if you own one you are a potential murderer. so just because you have a tool in between your legs you are a potential rapist? or a potential prostitute? have a nice day
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.08.20 00:37:00 - [82] Originally by: Raetherana Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee Guns are bad, there is no reason to own a gun other than to kill people (or animals) Guns are designed to kill, so if you own one you are a potential murderer. so just because you have a tool in between your legs you are a potential rapist? or a potential prostitute? have a nice day I don't particularly agree with his post but he does have a point, guns have no other purpose other than killing or wounding (people or animals) or intimidating someone with the threat of being killed or wounded (for good purposes or bad)
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2011.08.20 01:18:00 - [83] Originally by: Lady Skank Originally by: Raetherana Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee Guns are bad, there is no reason to own a gun other than to kill people (or animals) Guns are designed to kill, so if you own one you are a potential murderer. so just because you have a tool in between your legs you are a potential rapist? or a potential prostitute? have a nice day I don't particularly agree with his post but he does have a point, guns have no other purpose other than killing or wounding (people or animals) or intimidating someone with the threat of being killed or wounded (for good purposes or bad) i do not own a gun to kill... anything. that is not something i desire. though, they are certainly capable. i own them for two reasons. 1) because i was trained to use them and enjoy the sport of being a marksman. 2) i think that (in my society at least) those that are able to defend others should keep practice in that, should the day come that someone force you to defend yourself, family or community. there is nothing to be gained by demonizing the firearms themselves or by making premature, ignorant judgements on those that own them. the issue is too complex to be served at all with such simplistic and naive talking points such as "GUNS ARE BAD". really Aristotle? you don't say? given the proliferation of firearms in global society for the last 700 years... the idea we can make a law, or wave a wand and make them go away is the definition of naivety. -at best you provide governments across the globe police forces with an unacceptable advantage against law abiding citizens should the citizens need to stand against tyranny of that government. (this is not to say many if not most societies currently face some level of this already) -at worst you provide criminal elements across the globe an unacceptable advantage against law abiding citizens should their need to defend themselves from the criminal arise. (again, plenty of examples where this exists already) the fact both these scenarios already exist to some level does not validate an extremist anti-gun viewpoint. instead its with these things in mind that we should be careful not to exacerbate either scenario by removing an individual's right to defend themselves. seeing as how we live in a world where guns exist, and knowing mankind's natural tendencies towards violence: -would you think it better to allow peoples and governments to use this fire to fight fire? or -should we attempt to put calamity back into Pandora's box? attempting to magically make firearms go away is among the most unrealistic, unobtainable, overly idealistic and incredibly misguided pursuits you can find. a firearm is an extension of our violent nature, just as the sword was before it. if peace and nonviolence is your goal, it is the responsibilities, rationals and judgements of men we should work to improve. treat the disease, not the symptom.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.08.20 01:26:00 - [84] Originally by: Lady Skank Originally by: Raetherana Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee Guns are bad, there is no reason to own a gun other than to kill people (or animals) Guns are designed to kill, so if you own one you are a potential murderer. so just because you have a tool in between your legs you are a potential rapist? or a potential prostitute? have a nice day I don't particularly agree with his post but he does have a point, guns have no other purpose other than killing or wounding (people or animals) or intimidating someone with the threat of being killed or wounded (for good purposes or bad) Quite often those who base the cause of forced intercourse on merely having a willie and those who blame crime on merely having a gun are the same groups, their ends being a doctrine of no personal responsibility and no self control. Personal responsibility, or the idea of it, may lead down that slippery slope towards individual rights, and hence erode collectivism.
Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.08.20 04:05:00 - [85] Originally by: Raetherana Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee Guns are bad, there is no reason to own a gun other than to kill people (or animals) Guns are designed to kill, so if you own one you are a potential murderer. so just because you have a tool in between your legs you are a potential rapist? or a potential prostitute? have a nice day So just because you were born with a brain, it does not mean that you got to use it. That does explains a lot about you then. ♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/
Asheru Caldari The Shadow Plague Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.08.20 09:12:00 - [86] Originally by: Raetherana Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee Guns are bad, there is no reason to own a gun other than to kill people (or animals) Guns are designed to kill, so if you own one you are a potential murderer. so just because you have a tool in between your legs you are a potential rapist? or a potential prostitute? have a nice day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
Raetherana	Posted - 2011.08.20 14:37:00 - [87] Originally by: Alpheias Originally by: Raetherana Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee Guns are bad, there is no reason to own a gun other than to kill people (or animals) Guns are designed to kill, so if you own one you are a potential murderer. so just because you have a tool in between your legs you are a potential rapist? or a potential prostitute? have a nice day So just because you were born with a brain, it does not mean that you got to use it. That does explains a lot about you then. it seems the lack of use of a brain comes from you, since I applied the same supid logic he used to call us murderers. have a nice day
Raetherana	Posted - 2011.08.20 14:40:00 - [88] Originally by: Asheru Originally by: Raetherana Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee Guns are bad, there is no reason to own a gun other than to kill people (or animals) Guns are designed to kill, so if you own one you are a potential murderer. so just because you have a tool in between your legs you are a potential rapist? or a potential prostitute? have a nice day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation referencing wiki is bad mmkaay that gets you a fail on english class all the time
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2011.08.20 16:14:00 - [89] Up here in Canada it's OK to be a gun nut because we aren't Petarded like the USAers. I mean, seriously, you guys can't even hold your alcahol down there and shoot accurately at the same time, noobs.
Ai Mei Starfish Operating Syndicate	Posted - 2011.08.20 17:33:00 - [90] Originally by: Dorian Tormak Up here in Canada it's OK to be a gun nut because we aren't Petarded like the USAers. I mean, seriously, you guys can't even hold your alcahol down there and shoot accurately at the same time, noobs. yeah but see we have the wheel and don't have to go catch a moose or a polar bear when we need transportation.

Bane Necran Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.20 18:01:00 - [91] Originally by: Dorian Tormak Up here in Canada it's OK to be a gun nut because we aren't Petarded like the USAers. I mean, seriously, you guys can't even hold your alcahol down there and shoot accurately at the same time, noobs. On behalf of all of Canada, i beg you to stop posting.
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2011.08.20 18:37:00 - [92] Originally by: Ai Mei Originally by: Dorian Tormak Up here in Canada it's OK to be a gun nut because we aren't Petarded like the USAers.I mean, seriously, you guys can't even hold your alcahol down there and shoot accurately at the same time, noobs. yeah but see we have the wheel and don't have to go catch a moose or a polar bear when we need transportation. You're just mad because you know we use Toyotas and they are much better than Chevy, etc... Originally by: Bane Necran Originally by: Dorian Tormak Up here in Canada it's OK to be a gun nut because we aren't Petarded like the USAers.I mean, seriously, you guys can't even hold your alcahol down there and shoot accurately at the same time, noobs. On behalf of all of Canada, i beg you to stop posting. You must be one of those Maple Leafs fans with the small koks!
Ai Mei Starfish Operating Syndicate	Posted - 2011.08.21 01:45:00 - [93] Originally by: Dorian Tormak Originally by: Ai Mei Originally by: Dorian Tormak Up here in Canada it's OK to be a gun nut because we aren't Petarded like the USAers.I mean, seriously, you guys can't even hold your alcahol down there and shoot accurately at the same time, noobs. yeah but see we have the wheel and don't have to go catch a moose or a polar bear when we need transportation. You're just mad because you know we use Toyotas and they are much better than Chevy, etc... Originally by: Bane Necran Originally by: Dorian Tormak Up here in Canada it's OK to be a gun nut because we aren't Petarded like the USAers.I mean, seriously, you guys can't even hold your alcahol down there and shoot accurately at the same time, noobs. On behalf of all of Canada, i beg you to stop posting. You must be one of those Maple Leafs fans with the small koks! Actually i owned a chevy truck for over 20 years and had it only break on me once. Damn thing had no AC/ no cruise control, cloth seats, and only an AM radio. It was a real truck. Too bad no company makes a real truck like that any more.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.08.21 02:47:00 - [94] I used to be very interested in everything weapons. Then I did military service. Been cured ever since.
Bek Thyron	Posted - 2011.08.21 05:30:00 - [95] You guys. I seriously envy you. Need better gun laws here in Germany. :( Although, i collect cs-gas hand weapons. Have a nice collection, BUT: They are not "real guns" - weight and feel is OK, but, dont look in the barrel :( Oh well. At least i served long enough in military to have a chance to use a good amount of rifles. (Loved the hk g3 btw, DAT RECOIL XD, although, the g36 is a very, very nice thing to have. And military versions have full auto.) By the way, how is it in NA: Are you allowed to OWN things like...this? Or, flamethrowers in general? What about using? ** Thank you all, i got enough corpses for now :-)**)
mr id Caldari Black Rise Service Group	Posted - 2011.08.22 15:14:00 - [96] a lot
Ymirus Minmatar Fly Drunk Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.08.23 13:45:00 - [97] Originally by: Blacksquirrel Originally by: Ymirus The only people who own guns (outside of police and army) here are criminals. It really is that simple. I for one quite enjoy the fact that firearms aren't commonplace. Ahh good thing then cause no one gets bludgeoned, stabbed or run over with cars as a means of intentional murder... Oh wait. I was also under the impression criminals had to actually break the law first. I hope you never get into a position of power be medieval times all over again.... "Well chaps time to burn some heretics again!" "Why?" "Why?... Because they think different from us!" Someone got stepped on their tippy toes by my post it seems. Luckily you don't jump the gun or spout drivel with only a small piece of the entire picture! Owning a gun over here is only allowed if you have the proper licence, which is only given out for very good reasons. These do not include protecting your home from the evil king of England looking to invade, or because they look shiny and you enjoy the bang they make. In other words, getting a licence is damn near impossible. As such, any regular Joe owning a gun is breaking the law simply by the fact that he owns a gun. Why you felt the need to include crime in your post when I made no mention of it is a bit of a questionmark too, but that's probably there to draw attention away from your poorly argumented trolling. As for the whole personal bit, that's just making you look pathetic and silly, since nowhere did I claim these were my laws, nor whether or not I supported them. Glad you made yourself look like an infantile brat?
Malcheus	Posted - 2011.08.23 21:09:00 - [98] Originally by: Ymirus Originally by: Blacksquirrel Originally by: Ymirus The only people who own guns (outside of police and army) here are criminals. It really is that simple. I for one quite enjoy the fact that firearms aren't commonplace. Ahh good thing then cause no one gets bludgeoned, stabbed or run over with cars as a means of intentional murder... Oh wait. I was also under the impression criminals had to actually break the law first. I hope you never get into a position of power be medieval times all over again.... "Well chaps time to burn some heretics again!" "Why?" "Why?... Because they think different from us!" Someone got stepped on their tippy toes by my post it seems. Luckily you don't jump the gun or spout drivel with only a small piece of the entire picture! Owning a gun over here is only allowed if you have the proper licence, which is only given out for very good reasons. These do not include protecting your home from the evil king of England looking to invade, or because they look shiny and you enjoy the bang they make. In other words, getting a licence is damn near impossible. As such, any regular Joe owning a gun is breaking the law simply by the fact that he owns a gun. Why you felt the need to include crime in your post when I made no mention of it is a bit of a questionmark too, but that's probably there to draw attention away from your poorly argumented trolling. As for the whole personal bit, that's just making you look pathetic and silly, since nowhere did I claim these were my laws, nor whether or not I supported them. Glad you made yourself look like an infantile brat? So you can only have a licence for good reasons, but what good reason do you have to own multiple firearms other then "because they look shiny and you enjoy the bang they make." Or are you going to select just the right gun out of your not-to-be-underestimated collection of defensive toys when momma grizzly comes running at you? Because I do believe pepperspray works better against her.
Herr Wilkus	Posted - 2011.08.24 05:48:00 - [99] Pepperspray deters a bear. Shotgun with slugs, STOPS the bear. Effectiveness depends entirely on the motivation of the bear, which can range from everything from 'curiosity' to 'startled' to 'starvation'. Would you seriously trust pepper-spray over the pump-action 12ga to deter a starving bear? No, I didn't think so. On the whole licensing thing... Do you have much luck getting career criminals to apply for firearm licenses in your country? Its just so insultingly illogical. Citizens that are willing to submit to any license/registration scheme are by definition, not the people that are liable to cause problems with firearms. You have to realize that firearm license schemes are not about crime at all. That is merely how the big-government nanny statists justify them. It is merely just another form of control, more shackles for the masses who desire safety above all else. Allowing citizens to freely arm themselves will, invariably, bring a certain degree of carnage - but that is the price of liberty. The Founders trusted American citizens with deadly weaponry. It is admirable, because it assumes a degree of maturity and responsibility on the part of the people. European states, on the other hand, generally do NOT trust its subjects with firearms. That maturity and responsibility is assumed to simply not be present. Sad, really.
Malcheus	Posted - 2011.08.24 07:17:00 - [100] Originally by: Herr Wilkus Pepperspray deters a bear. Shotgun with slugs, STOPS the bear. Effectiveness depends entirely on the motivation of the bear, which can range from everything from 'curiosity' to 'startled' to 'starvation'. Would you seriously trust pepper-spray over the pump-action 12ga to deter a starving bear? No, I didn't think so. Funny you should say this, because shooting a bear with a shotgun is not at all guaranteed to kill it. It's easy to miss when a bear is storming you, and even if you hit it, you may not even get through the skull. Pepperspray, or mace, is really effective, since bears have a really sensitive nose they are also really sensitive to irritants such as pepperspray. Furthermore you can spray for several seconds, which almost guarantees you will hit. The licensing thing in most countries is not about not trusting the populace, but about keeping the amount of firearms under control. if someone has 8 firearms and a burglar comes by, then off they go to the black market.

Herr Wilkus	Posted - 2011.08.24 07:55:00 - [101] Originally by: Malcheus Funny you should say this, because shooting a bear with a shotgun is not at all guaranteed to kill it. It's easy to miss when a bear is storming you, and even if you hit it, you may not even get through the skull. Pepperspray, or mace, is really effective, since bears have a really sensitive nose they are also really sensitive to irritants such as pepperspray. Furthermore you can spray for several seconds, which almost guarantees you will hit. The licensing thing in most countries is not about not trusting the populace, but about keeping the amount of firearms under control. if someone has 8 firearms and a burglar comes by, then off they go to the black market. Silly. The point of firing slugs is not to penetrate the skull. It is to hit the bear with a projectile with a lot of mass, breaking bones and/or knocking the charging animal down. While there is some debate on high powered rifle (penetration to vitals) vs shotgun (mass of projectile) vs high powered handgun (portability) - the only ones who actually say pepperspray is the most effective are Park Service/Forest Service employees (who don't want bears shot) and greenie backpackers (who are afraid of guns). I'm confused, so the gun license somehow stops a thief from breaking into your house and stealing your guns? Hey, I've got it! Why not just cut to the chase and require thieves get a license before they can break into your house! It makes just as much sense. Then you'd have the names and addresses of every thief in the country - would make them a lot easier to fingerprint and track down after they commit a crime.
Malcheus	Posted - 2011.08.24 08:09:00 - [102] Originally by: Herr Wilkus Originally by: Malcheus Funny you should say this, because shooting a bear with a shotgun is not at all guaranteed to kill it. It's easy to miss when a bear is storming you, and even if you hit it, you may not even get through the skull. Pepperspray, or mace, is really effective, since bears have a really sensitive nose they are also really sensitive to irritants such as pepperspray. Furthermore you can spray for several seconds, which almost guarantees you will hit. The licensing thing in most countries is not about not trusting the populace, but about keeping the amount of firearms under control. if someone has 8 firearms and a burglar comes by, then off they go to the black market. Silly. The point of firing slugs is not to penetrate the skull. It is to hit the bear with a projectile with a lot of mass, breaking bones and/or knocking the charging animal down. While there is some debate on high powered rifle (penetration to vitals) vs shotgun (mass of projectile) vs high powered handgun (portability) - the only ones who actually say pepperspray is the most effective are Park Service/Forest Service employees (who don't want bears shot) and greenie backpackers (who are afraid of guns). I'm confused, so the gun license somehow stops a thief from breaking into your house and stealing your guns? Hey, I've got it! Why not just cut to the chase and require thieves get a license before they can break into your house! It makes just as much sense. Then you'd have the names and addresses of every thief in the country - would make them a lot easier to fingerprint and track down after they commit a crime. yeah, why would you believe the people that work in the forest on how to keep bears away.... The thing about gun licences: If you don't give out licenses, people don't buy ridiculous amounts of guns, so ridiculous amounts of guns don't get stolen and end up on the black market. Furthermore, if the people of a country are less gun-crazy, there are bound to be less arms dealers, and thus less arms dealers that get robbed. Oh, and on trust issues: you say our government doesn't trust us enough to allow us to get guns. ok. But we trust our countrymen so much that we don't feel we need to have guns to defend ourselves against them.
Shadowsword The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva	Posted - 2011.08.24 09:00:00 - [103] Originally by: Malcheus Oh, and on trust issues: you say our government doesn't trust us enough to allow us to get guns. ok. But we trust our countrymen so much that we don't feel we need to have guns to defend ourselves against them. Don't try to use that argument, it won't work. The guy is apparently still living in the era where the US were a british colony. ------------------------------------------
Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare	Posted - 2011.08.24 10:56:00 - [104] Originally by: Herr Wilkus European states, on the other hand, generally do NOT trust its subjects with firearms. That maturity and responsibility is assumed to simply not be present. Sad, really. Hi Wilkus Its hard to steal land from Indians and Mexicans and French and English (etc..) without guns amirite?
Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare	Posted - 2011.08.24 11:34:00 - [105] There does seem to be an atlantic divide between opinions on guns, as people in the US and Europe are taught polar oposites on the matter from the age of childhood. Americans seem to be 'paranoid' about the government encroaching on and taking away their 'liberty', and gun ownership somehow prevents this? it has nothing to do with the king of England no matter what your dated constitution says. There are times and places where i can see gun ownership being a positive or a neccesity, but generally, i dont see why Joe Schmo who lives in Anonymous Suburbia needs a gun. Pre-empting the 'protection' card that always gets played, its only because guns are so easy to get hold of in the US that you would need one in the first place. Without actually looking at the stats, I bet my entire wage that gun crime is more prevalent per population in the US than Europe because your gun ownership laws are so lax. So its a chicken egg thing, if guns werent so widely available in the first place, would you have needed that gun for protection? Now, that said, there are several subtle differences between the US and Europe that affect opinions on guns. 1. You in the US seems to have equated gun ownership to liberty and the founding of your nation, which is a hard sentiment to ignore 2. Open space - there is far more open space and 'wilderness' in the US than anywhere in Mainland Europe and the UK, which in turn will lead to more 'neccesity ownership' when faced with the 'hardships' that such an environment will provide 3. Enthusiasts - It could be argued that if gun ownership laws were relaxed here in Europe, then there would be more enthusiasts to 'rally the cause'. I'm not going to lie, firing a weapon is a thrill and can be really fun, and owning guns for sporting and fun reasons shouldnt be a negative. My only concern would be where are these guns kept, how safe are they, and where can they be fired. From my perspective here (in the UK), gun ownership is something of a national sport/hobby in the US, but there is nothing really on a comparable scale in europe. I think, i can sum it up from an European perspective 1. We dont/wont condone people taking up arms and being judge and jury, that is what the police force and the judicial system are for. (on a personal note, that earlier story about an old man shooting dead thieves for stealing from his neighbors house totally appauls me) 2. We arent scared of guns per se, just the wider availability of guns leading to them falling into the hands of those who would have bad intentions. The wider availability of lethal force to a population will lead to more cases of it being used. Such an example would be a youth in the recent UK riots caught on CCTV firing on police and at a police helicopter, this was big news such is the low occurence of such actions. to summise, we dont dislike guns, we just dont want idiots pulling the trigger
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2011.08.24 11:51:00 - [106] A lot of this is just people bashing each others cultures. In Europe - the kings didn't want the peasants armed. That is historical fact. After the turmoil of the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries - you didn't have so man kings any more - but the people were used to the idea of having their access to weapons restricted. The New World was populated in part by people seeking to escape the repression that was common place in the old world. People in the New World who didn't have guns - became victims of that fact, not to mention that they didn't eat as well. Comparing Old World Cultures to New World Cultures - you're going to have different attitudes towards weaponry. Mostly, it's simply what people are used to. If you grow up in a certain environment, you're used to it and it's found more acceptable to you than it might be to someone from another culture. This is as true of attitudes towards gun ownership as it is towards farting in public. Because the USA was created by citizen militias that rose up and threw off their colonial power - they associate guns with their liberty. If they had not had guns - they would not have that liberty. Britain would not have left just because we asked them nicely. The other thing is - we are populated to a large degree by descendants of those people who left Europe so that they wouldn't have someone telling them what they can do. This attitude is reflected in our government - where States Rights was a fundamental issue in it's very structure. The big states thought representation should be based on population - whereas the small states thought each state should have the same numbers of representatives. Thus - the US House or Representatives and Senate - each of which creates laws in parallel - and then must reconcile them with each other before the President signs or vetoes them. Since it's founding - there has been a continual struggle between those who thought more power should be vested in the central government and those who wanted power to be maintained locally. A large reason for the Civil War we fought - was States Rights. People who say that it was all about slavery - are ignoring the entire history of the nation that preceded that war. Here - when the Civil War started - it was once again local Militias that were formed up into the armies of the contending sides. Each regiment was numbered in some relation to when it was created in it's state. Thus - the 20th Maine. Today - much of the strength of the American Army comes from National Guard units which can be called out by the Governor of their state - and often are when there is some natural disaster where that units equipment and organization can help. We are also a nation that still has many wild, open, rural environments - where people hunt animals to feed themselves. For people who grow up in a rural environment in the US guns are something you often begin using as a child. The people who live in these environments are exposed to real dangers from wild animals and other human beings seeking to do them harm - simply because they are so isolated. If you're out living in a county that is larger than some states and only has six law enforcement officers - then if something goes wrong - you are going to be left to your own resources and those of your neighbors for a good long period of time. Someone living in a crowded nation in Europe - simply has no idea what it is like living in a rural environment in the US. Guns are a part of our culture. Guns created our culture - without them - it wouldn't exist. Now ... as to the smart ass that wrote about killing Indians ... you probably don't know a damn thing about that either. There's no space for a lengthy discussion of the subject in this post - but - the fact that there were more whites killed by Indians than there were Indians killed by whites might be a new idea to some. The Indians lost because despite their losses white numbers overwhelmed them. .
Shadowsword The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva	Posted - 2011.08.24 11:57:00 - [107] Originally by: Skippermonkey to summise, we dont dislike guns, we just dont want idiots pulling the trigger I agree with most of your post, but I'll go a bit farther. I don't want KIDS pulling triggers, because they lack the experience and maturity to handle them properly. Each time I watch some TV documentary about some clueless father putting a M16 into the hands of their 10 year old kid in a firing range, I shake my head in disgust. There are some arms companies in the US that sell civilian all-up assault rifles and sniper rifles. I even heard about one gun whose marketing claimed it was easier to clean due to having a grease-resistant handgrip. It also just happended to prevent the formation of fingerprints, with obvious implications where crime is related, but it was still sold. You might argue that a gun is essentially defensive weapon. Their accurate range is fairly short, and their small weight and size mean they can be brought to bear on their target very fast. An assault rifle or shotgun are certainly not defensive weapons. They are war tools used only to kill other humans, and putting them in the hands of childs, even just for training in a range, should be a crime in itself.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2011.08.24 12:18:00 - [108] Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 24/08/2011 12:23:18 One more thing - the guns are here. We are awash in them. Any idea that we could go to a European style of gun laws ... is simply something that isn't going to happen. It isn't a chicken of the egg thing. The guns came with the colonials - as they would have died without them - and have been here ever since. In some of your crowded urban areas - you've got a lot different set of laws than you do in states what are more rural. In any case - there are so many guns here now - that you could not get rid of them if you tried. Look at the criminalization of ********* and Alcohol. That didn't work. Most gun laws - don't work now. Gangs and other criminals have access to machine guns - that are already illegal. Convicted Felons - already are prohibited from gun owner ship. Yet - the Gangs have machine guns and the felons have guns. In a nation where we are already awash in guns - no criminal is going to be dissuaded from acquiring one - simply because there is a law against it. They're already criminals - what they hell do they care about the law? Some localities require gun registration - do the criminals all go out and register weapons it is already illegal for them to own? No. The real problem in our culture - is not guns - it is all the people who would rob their fellow citizens. Drugs are a much bigger problem than guns - drugs are something we've allegedly been losing a war against for 40 years. The only reason you have death rates to guns that rival that of automobile accidents - is because of criminals killing each other - mostly over drugs. The criminals already have the guns. It's already illegal for them to have them. Criminals already deal in drugs - it's already illegal for them to do so. Passing more gun laws isn't going to do anything, any more than all the laws passed against drugs. What would do something - would be an environment where people had jobs - or real hope for a life that didn't involve crime, either as a criminal or a victim. The thing is - people created the environment we have. People use guns to kill each other - by choice. The gun didn't make them do it. Look at Norway. What kind of gun ownership laws do they have there? Did that stop someone from using a gun to commit mass murder? Look at Rwanda. Did lack of guns stop genocide? No. They used Machete's. What's stupid - is thinking that you can just take one nations laws and way of life and some how have them fully adopted by another nation with an entirely different culture. It's like laws governing land mines ... they're easy to make and the ideal choice of people who don't give a damn about international conventions. All the anti land mine people are just silly. They aren't going to accomplish anything. .
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2011.08.24 20:34:00 - [109] Originally by: Herr Wilkus The Founders trusted American citizens with deadly weaponry. It is admirable, because it assumes a degree of maturity and responsibility on the part of the people. European states, on the other hand, generally do NOT trust its subjects with firearms. That maturity and responsibility is assumed to simply not be present. Sad, really. Yeah, because you've totally showed that you can be mature and responsible... but maybe you're right; maybe Americans simply are dumber than the rest of the world...
Herr Wilkus	Posted - 2011.08.25 05:11:00 - [110] Edited by: Herr Wilkus on 25/08/2011 05:16:57 o/ Skip. Yeah, I've not quite gotten my bag limit on Eskimos yet. They seem to get sneakier every hunting season. The problem is with idiots pulling the trigger? True. I just consider it a failure when society writes laws with the basic assumption the everyone is an idiot unless they prove otherwise. Granted, Suddenly Ninjas trades heavily on precisely the opposite assumption. Originally by: Dorian Tormak Yeah, because you've totally showed that you can be mature and responsible... but maybe you're right; maybe Americans simply are dumber than the rest of the world... Sorry, you missed the point. I wasn't making a statement about actual maturity levels in either region. EVERY society has its low functioning individuals. That is indisputable. I was commenting that with respect to firearms: The US (and state) governments START with the assumption that the average teenage/adult citizen is capable of responsible firearm ownership. (Yes, teenagers.) Your firearm rights can be restricted if you are a felon or are committed. (I think 'sectioned' is the British term...) European governments start with the assumption that the average citizen is incapable of responsible firearm ownership. Some states allow it, but impose so many rules and expenses that it insures that most law-abiding people will not even bother. Other governments simply do not allow it, forcing otherwise law-abiding citizens to break the law simply to protect themselves (like the Norfolk fellow.) Criminals in these countries will still get guns, except with an added bonus: they know their victims are not. England/Wales has twice as much burglary and significantly more (from memory, 25-30% more) armed robberies than the USA. And that isn't even factoring in Scotland (4x Burglary rate of USA) and Northern Ireland (higher murder rate than USA). In short: USA trusts its citizens with firearms unless an individual proves incapable. Europe assumes its citizens are incapable, then forces individuals to prove otherwise. As an advocate of individual freedom, I consider the US philosophy on the matter superior.

Malcheus	Posted - 2011.08.25 13:35:00 - [111] I don't think our (european) government neccesarily thinks all their citizens are incapable of responsibly handling guns. It's just that if you apply the same rules as Americans, some people who are incapable of doing so will get their hands on guns. Added to that, there is no real benefit of allowing people to arm themselves. Therefore, our governments made the (in my oppinion just) descision to sacrifice the right of the responsible masses to own guns, for the sake of preventing dangerous individuals from acquiring them. And as far as the "we need to defend our homes from ...." argument goes, that's what we have insurances for here in Europe. If someone comes by and tries to steal my stuff, I'd much rather get my money back from an insurance company, then to attempt to murder someone. Furthermore, attempting to defend my home would not be unlikely to end up in a firefight, if the rules were the same here as in the US. But you are right, there's no way back anymore for the USA, since there are already too many firearms in circulation there. Luckily there's a booming economy and very little unemployment, so there's no risk at all from people losing it and going on a rampage, or a civil war breaking out. (yes, that was sarcastic)
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.08.25 13:50:00 - [112] Originally by: Malcheus Added to that, there is no real benefit of allowing people to arm themselves. That is not entirely correct. Gun business is business... Firearms require manufacture, so there is an investment into facilities, tools, trained personal. That is jobs. Then there are various accessories, holsters, grips, sights, springs, etc. These also have to be manufactured. More jobs. Finally, like everything else, there is the competitive nature of the human beings. Target shooting competitions, leagues, local competitions, national, international, opportunities to advertise products, sponsorships. Finally. Ammunition for the firearms. It has to be made. More jobs. The firearms business is mostly dead in Europe. I am sure people in Europe feel better knowing that they can not get firearms and there are fewer jobs for them.
Dr Offensive	Posted - 2011.08.25 15:12:00 - [113] I think people own guns for different reasons: Collector Hunting Home defence There are plenty of other good reasons to own a gun. Unfortunately every time some nutter goes on a rampage and kills half the population of a school is it not always the case that they were heavily "into" guns
Woody Hill	Posted - 2011.08.25 15:28:00 - [114] 1. PzH 2000 Self propelled artillery (Not running ATM due to a problem with the insurance) 2. TOR-M1 anti aircraft missile launcher (Great fun down at the local model aircraft club) 3. LGM-30G Minuteman ICBM (Its located under my garden shed, the roof of the shed folds back when I want to launch it)
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2011.08.25 15:57:00 - [115] Currently own three: Sig P220R .45 ACP - defense and for shooting, because I like to shoot. M1 Carbine - bought it for historical reenactment, but still own even though I don't do it anymore. very old Savage .410 shotgun - single shot break-open, was my first gun. Birthday gift the day I turned 7. It's at my parents' house, and I think dad still uses it for pest control from time to time. I used to own an SKB 12 gauge, from back when I was a hunter, but I lost that in a fire about 3 years ago. I carried the Sig and the M1 out before leaving, and grabbed my computer next, but the smoke was getting bad then so I left the shotgun behind. ______________________________________________________ PVP is a question that has no one right answer but a lot of wrong ones. - Aelana Anais
Cpt Greagor Caldari Liquid Relief	Posted - 2011.08.25 16:14:00 - [116] This is how I shoot my rifles. R A I N B O W S
Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.08.25 16:26:00 - [117] Originally by: Cpt Greagor This is how I shoot my rifles. That would explain the lack of IQ. ♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/
Cpt Greagor Caldari Liquid Relief	Posted - 2011.08.25 16:33:00 - [118] Originally by: Alpheias That would explain the lack of IQ. Get headshots every time. If I'm lucky I get two. R A I N B O W S
JordanParey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.08.25 17:38:00 - [119] For now, all I've got personally is a Colt Officers' ACP (3.5" barrel model) that I plan on using to get my CCW license. Picked it up for $400 a few months back, which was a ridiculous deal, and got a set of tritium night sights that I will hopefully have installed today. We do have about 15 other firearms in the house, though: Ruger Mini-14 (.223) FN FS2000 (.223) Springfield Armory XD40 Marlin .22 Remington .22 Mossberg 12ga shotgun Remington 20ga shotgun AK47 Enfield bolt-action chambered in 7.62x54R and a few others I can' remember. I have a functioning brain and functioning genitalia and I have those.. I'm also a firefighter/EMT
Herr Wilkus	Posted - 2011.08.26 03:46:00 - [120] Edited by: Herr Wilkus on 26/08/2011 03:47:59 Originally by: JordanParey For now, all I've got personally is a Colt Officers' ACP (3.5" barrel model) that I plan on using to get my CCW license. Picked it up for $400 a few months back, which was a ridiculous deal, and got a set of tritium night sights that I will hopefully have installed today. We do have about 15 other firearms in the house, though: Ruger Mini-14 (.223) FN FS2000 (.223) Springfield Armory XD40 Marlin .22 Remington .22 Mossberg 12ga shotgun Remington 20ga shotgun AK47 Enfield bolt-action chambered in 7.62x54R and a few others I can' remember. I have a functioning brain and functioning genitalia and I have those.. I'm also a firefighter/EMT You realize that this stuff puts you on the current Department of Homeland Security's short list for possible terrorist activity, right? Hope you don't fly very often - Janet Napolitano is watching you! Yes, even then. EDIT: Except for the genitalia, pretty sure big sis don't swing dat way.

JordanParey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.08.26 05:52:00 - [121] CCW permits where I am at do not register the firearm, only the user. So, if I qualify on my .45, I can carry anything up to a .45 but they won't know which firearm I may carry. I fly plenty often and am careful enough to not discharge any firearms within 3 days of a flight (because of those chemical sniffer things they use in airport security now.) Besides, after my trip to Cambodia/Vietnam/Thailand, I've come to the decision that we do more to scare ourselves than terrorists could ever accomplish. More like Department of Homeland inSecurity.
JordanParey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:06:00 - [122] Looky what I bought :) Daniel Defense M4 V3 16" barrel.
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:12:00 - [123] Originally by: JordanParey Looky what I bought :)Daniel Defense M4 V3 16" barrel. Looks kinds small and flimsy to me. How is it?
JordanParey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.08.31 01:23:00 - [124] Dunno, I ordered it today (the company that makes it cannot keep them in stock, apparently) and managed to snag the last one the place had in stock, for $250 under manufacturer price. People recommended it to me and all the reviews were really good. It comes by mail to my local gun dealer next week and that's when I pay the transfer fee when I pick it up and stuff. I'll let you know when I get it :)
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.08.31 04:26:00 - [125] Originally by: JordanParey Looky what I bought :) Daniel Defense M4 V3 16" barrel. Daaaaaaaaan! That is expansive piece of kit!
JordanParey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.08.31 04:38:00 - [126] Originally by: Caleidascope Originally by: JordanParey Looky what I bought :) Daniel Defense M4 V3 16" barrel. Daaaaaaaaan! That is expansive piece of kit! I didn't pay full retail for it, and I also got my 45 for a steal. My pistol was getting lonely :) I bought it because I wanted one and because this particular one comes stock with a bunch of upgrades.. no need to ever buy another zombie-killer. Funny thing.. it's the first rifle I own. I wanted something nice to start off with.
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2011.08.31 04:55:00 - [127] Originally by: JordanParey I'll let you know when I get it Please do
JordanParey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.08.31 05:02:00 - [128] Edited by: JordanParey on 31/08/2011 05:03:01 Originally by: Dorian Tormak Originally by: JordanParey I'll let you know when I get it Please do Go read the reviews on it. I've seen nothing but good stuff, and apparently the manufacturer CANNOT keep them in stock, even after two years. I had to ask the guy I ordered it from to put it on hold for 20 minutes for me while I notified the bank of my purchase- it was literally the last one they had in stock and the last one they were gonna have in stock for a few months :D Even IRL I'm a ninja.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.08.31 06:12:00 - [129] Originally by: JordanParey Looky what I bought :) Daniel Defense M4 V3 16" barrel. Hate to rain on your parade but... ah forget it. Back to my rum...
JordanParey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.08.31 20:59:00 - [130] Edited by: JordanParey on 31/08/2011 21:02:31 Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer [ Hate to rain on your parade but... ah forget it. Back to my rum... What is it? It's gonna bug me if you don't say it.

Blaze VanStarsex	Posted - 2011.08.31 21:15:00 - [131] I live in California, and as such I own a "CA Safe M4". Which is basically the same thing but we are forced to use small, bullet-button magazines. Ugh. I don't go to firing ranges anymore because I like to shoot with buddies and they started charging us per person instead of per lane. So we just go out into the desert. The gun laws in CA are absolutely autistic.
JordanParey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.08.31 21:26:00 - [132] Originally by: Blaze VanStarsex I live in California, and as such I own a "CA Safe M4". Which is basically the same thing but we are forced to use small, bullet-button magazines. Ugh. I don't go to firing ranges anymore because I like to shoot with buddies and they started charging us per person instead of per lane. So we just go out into the desert. The gun laws in CA are absolutely autistic. Do ALL semi-auto rifles in CA need the bullet button/10rd capacity mag? I thought it was only if you didn't have certain features? Then again, when I lived in CA I never owned any firearms. I was too young.
Blaze VanStarsex	Posted - 2011.08.31 21:35:00 - [133] Edited by: Blaze VanStarsex on 31/08/2011 21:38:07 Edited by: Blaze VanStarsex on 31/08/2011 21:35:42 Originally by: JordanParey Originally by: Blaze VanStarsex I live in California, and as such I own a "CA Safe M4". Which is basically the same thing but we are forced to use small, bullet-button magazines. Ugh. I don't go to firing ranges anymore because I like to shoot with buddies and they started charging us per person instead of per lane. So we just go out into the desert. The gun laws in CA are absolutely autistic. Do ALL semi-auto rifles in CA need the bullet button/10rd capacity mag? I thought it was only if you didn't have certain features? Then again, when I lived in CA I never owned any firearms. I was too young. Basically it breaks down to a single choice and you have to decide what is more important to you. Are you willing to make some ergonomic sacrifices in order to have a rifle with a standard operation magazine capacity/release or would you rather sacrifice a little speed when reloading so that you can have features such as a normal pistol grip, forward grip, and collapsible stock? In CA it's one or the other. IMO being restricted to the small magazine is worth having the pistol & forward grips. EDIT: That also goes for muzzle flash hiders.
Blaze VanStarsex	Posted - 2011.08.31 21:43:00 - [134] My best friend's dad actually owns a small rifle store. He put together some interesting instructions on his blog on how to build a CA-legal AR-15. For those of you that are interested. http://blog.riflegear.com/articles/building-a-california-legal-ar-15-rifle.aspx
Herr Wilkus	Posted - 2011.09.05 05:34:00 - [135] Man, you have to be pretty imaginative and talented to own an 'assault' rifle in California. Well, that, or just be willing to break the law, or hell, just go 'Fast and Furious' and get them directly from the ATF.


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