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chopper14	Posted - 2011.08.11 03:18:00 - [31] I an guilty of AFK cloaking. I do it when I'm ratting for sec status. I do it when I'm at war with a superior force (usually in low sec so they get blown up looking for me). I do it when I want to kill people and need them to lower their gaurd. I do it when people are hanging out where I want to hang out Infact I do it as much as I can. I can understand your whining but if there is a "AFK cloaker in your system just jump to the one next door and carry on if he doesn't follow you, you win if he does then jump sombody back through and drop the biggest freaking bubble on the best interceptor pilot you have. Of course if he follows you he isn't really AFK is he? Like wise you can leave a cloaky combat probe alt behind which will make him think there is a target about and keep him cloaked while your off having fun. Also I don't get why you have the damage mod idea or the needs fuel idea? How many dockable stations do you think there are in null? All you would need to combat afk cloaking is a cycle timer It would last for 15 minuts and start flashing and making noise 20 sec before you decloak if you hit it before the time was up you would stay cloaked for another 15 minutes. AFK clockers would then appear while I would have to pause my Netflix and reset the damn timer.
Cynoska McNamara	Posted - 2011.08.11 07:11:00 - [32] Edited by: Cynoska McNamara on 11/08/2011 07:40:33 Originally by: chopper14 I an guilty of AFK cloaking. I do it when I'm ratting for sec status. I do it when I'm at war with a superior force (usually in low sec so they get blown up looking for me). I do it when I want to kill people and need them to lower their gaurd. I do it when people are hanging out where I want to hang out Infact I do it as much as I can. I can understand your whining but if there is a "AFK cloaker in your system just jump to the one next door and carry on if he doesn't follow you, you win if he does then jump sombody back through and drop the biggest freaking bubble on the best interceptor pilot you have. Of course if he follows you he isn't really AFK is he? Like wise you can leave a cloaky combat probe alt behind which will make him think there is a target about and keep him cloaked while your off having fun. Also I don't get why you have the damage mod idea or the needs fuel idea? How many dockable stations do you think there are in null? All you would need to combat afk cloaking is a cycle timer It would last for 15 minuts and start flashing and making noise 20 sec before you decloak if you hit it before the time was up you would stay cloaked for another 15 minutes. AFK clockers would then appear while I would have to pause my Netflix and reset the damn timer. This is the next point. Why you can benefit to stay AFK for a week ready to attack someone when the guard is lower and be safe all the time? Why a AFK pilot can live in enemy territory without the possibility of being expelled? If I have the sovereignty of a system should have the right to hunt (or try to) the enemy. Remember that a AFK pilot is an ALT. Your main pg are playing in other place.. my main pg are waiting your alt. Players Versus Alts. Quote: Also I don't get why you have the damage mod idea or the needs fuel idea? How many dockable stations do you think there are in null? Zero for a pirate. Infact a pirate should go to null sec.. kill those who want to.. and then GO BACK HOME and not live forever in enemy territory.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.08.11 07:50:00 - [33] Edited by: ShahFluffers on 11/08/2011 07:50:39 Originally by: Cynoska McNamara If I have the sovereignty of a system should have the right to hunt (or try to) the enemy. Here's where you go wrong. You have the "right" to nothing. Especially not in null-sec. Even the cloaker doesn't have the "right" to kill someone. The onus is on BOTH parties to be more prepared and clever than the other one using what resources they have available. For the cloakers... their strength is that they cannot be probed down. If they get into a system they can bide their time and wait til someone does something stupid (like fly a lightly tanked PVE gank-battleship with T1 drones). Their weaknesses are that their ship will not stand up very well in a straight fight against a ship fitted with the proper defenses and that their target might have friendly ships nearby to assist. For the "defenders"... their strengths are that they can effectively deny entry into the system in the first place using bubbles and gatecamps, they have a wealth of friendly ships in system that can assist when needed, they have a station and/or POS to refit or swap their ship anytime they wish, and they can actually do something productive with their time rather than just wait. What weaknesses I can potentially see on the part of the defenders are (but not limited to); not having anyone online to assist (in which case, that person should consider beefing up their ship's point defenses)... and... ummm... uhh... running a bit of blank here. From where I stand, the defenders have most of the advantages except that they have one red "blip" in the local chat. edit: fail quoting _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
foksieloy Minmatar Rockets ponies and rainbows	Posted - 2011.08.11 08:25:00 - [34] Originally by: Cynoska McNamara Just an answer: 0.0 should be safe for nobody, right? So, if you wanna stay AFK and safe.. go back to empire! The rules should apply to everyone. I completely agree, also please remove POS shields and stations in nulsec! Why should you be safe in them? _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M.
Dalloway Jones Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.08.11 08:28:00 - [35] They should just get rid of local. That way you will have no way of knowing the cloaker is even there and it won't freak you out.
Torenc	Posted - 2011.08.11 11:07:00 - [36] Originally by: Blondie Rens Originally by: Aramis Rosicrux Originally by: Blondie Rens Why should 0.0 ever be safe? Exactly, The AFK Lurker has no risk. Why should the AFK lurker get to threaten the entire system all day long at NO RISK? Random decloaks would restore some balance to the currently RISKLESS lurking threat strategy. Thank you, Aramis Rosicrux At the same time there is no reward so there is nothing wrong with the low risk. That the case there is reward reward: Rewards: 1. Intel with ships with pilots fly its allready bots hoo colect such info true afk cloucked alts. 2. risk free kils, he can declouck eny given time and lounch a cov ops cyno (after a week bean afk) and he donr haveeven slite risk to get popt thos seconds itsn ot inaf with you have when you see him declock by you. 3. loot from kils. so its inaf rewards to atleast nerf that risk free cloucking.
Torenc	Posted - 2011.08.11 11:13:00 - [37] Originally by: Dalloway Jones They should just get rid of local. That way you will have no way of knowing the cloaker is even there and it won't freak you out. And bils to you after lsot ships with automatical windrawal of all off your acount wallets if not inaf wallet money use biling on your credit card ;)
Cynoska McNamara	Posted - 2011.08.11 11:14:00 - [38] Originally by: Dalloway Jones They should just get rid of local. That way you will have no way of knowing the cloaker is even there and it won't freak you out. In null-sec with sovereignty, the owners should have a exlusive intelligence system against intruders. Intruders should not have access to it. This would make sense. I know that saying this, many pirates weep. Null-sec is not anarchy. Null-sec is NO-CONCORD, security driven by players.. and sovereignty should provide the tools to keep itself.
Torenc	Posted - 2011.08.11 11:28:00 - [39] Originally by: ShahFluffers Edited by: ShahFluffers on 11/08/2011 07:50:39 Originally by: Cynoska McNamara If I have the sovereignty of a system should have the right to hunt (or try to) the enemy. Here's where you go wrong. You have the "right" to nothing. Especially not in null-sec. Even the cloaker doesn't have the "right" to kill someone. The onus is on BOTH parties to be more prepared and clever than the other one using what resources they have available. For the cloakers... their strength is that they cannot be probed down. If they get into a system they can bide their time and wait til someone does something stupid (like fly a lightly tanked PVE gank-battleship with T1 drones). Their weaknesses are that their ship will not stand up very well in a straight fight against a ship fitted with the proper defenses and that their target might have friendly ships nearby to assist. For the "defenders"... their strengths are that they can effectively deny entry into the system in the first place using bubbles and gatecamps, they have a wealth of friendly ships in system that can assist when needed, they have a station and/or POS to refit or swap their ship anytime they wish, and they can actually do something productive with their time rather than just wait. What weaknesses I can potentially see on the part of the defenders are (but not limited to); not having anyone online to assist (in which case, that person should consider beefing up their ship's point defenses)... and... ummm... uhh... running a bit of blank here. From where I stand, the defenders have most of the advantages except that they have one red "blip" in the local chat. edit: fail quoting You8 wrong complitly wie have right for thos resurses wie fighted a war until you sited afk some where wie trowed biljons in that sytem to get it in right state for us, wie pay for that sytems to concord, if you wish more reasons than tellme i can name more. You are the one ho dont heve right be there at all, wie pay for sytem and you come in and distrubt our ppl and kiling his ships by using afl clouckers with siting in system weeks geting rewards from it by loot, and intel. i tink you shuld pay to be there to if you are in sytem and using it and geting rewarded at the end or pay for jumping true our system.
Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2011.08.11 13:03:00 - [40] How about cloaking devices have a 'heat' type problem, reduced by skill levels in cloaking. So a prototype cloak will overheat in about 20 minutes and will switch off until cooled (only a minute or two), a T2 claok will ovgerheat in an hour and a cov ops will stay cool for a good few hours, that way the cloaked person can still stay safe when they are playing (even an overheated cloak isnt a problem as you can just warp safe to safe for a few minutes while it cools off, tehn recloak) but it does demand that players actually play the game to cause disruption. I am not against disruption by players, just against any disruption that can be caused while you arnt even actualy playing, or maybe not even home...

Cynoska McNamara	Posted - 2011.08.11 14:05:00 - [41] Edited by: Cynoska McNamara on 11/08/2011 14:06:29 Edited by: Cynoska McNamara on 11/08/2011 14:05:31 Originally by: Marara Kovacs How about cloaking devices have a 'heat' type problem, reduced by skill levels in cloaking. So a prototype cloak will overheat in about 20 minutes and will switch off until cooled (only a minute or two), a T2 claok will ovgerheat in an hour and a cov ops will stay cool for a good few hours, that way the cloaked person can still stay safe when they are playing (even an overheated cloak isnt a problem as you can just warp safe to safe for a few minutes while it cools off, tehn recloak) but it does demand that players actually play the game to cause disruption. I am not against disruption by players, just against any disruption that can be caused while you arnt even actualy playing, or maybe not even home... I agree. This was my solution n¦2. Heat Problem or Charge are 2 simple solution that don't damage Cloacked Ships if played activly (and a macro can't avoid). Those who are against this, has its own dirty interests to be AFK in enemy territory.
Anna Lifera 6.... HAWK Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.11 15:07:00 - [42] Edited by: Anna Lifera on 11/08/2011 15:08:54 Originally by: Torenc You8 wrong complitly wie have right for thos resurses wie fighted a war until you sited afk some where wie trowed biljons in that sytem to get it in right state for us, wie pay for that sytems to concord, if you wish more reasons than tellme i can name more. and u think u're entitled be safe in 0.0? Originally by: Torenc You are the one ho dont heve right be there at all, wie pay for sytem and you come in and distrubt our ppl and kiling his ships by using afl clouckers with siting in system weeks geting rewards from it by loot, and intel. i tink you shuld pay to be there to if you are in sytem and using it and geting rewarded at the end or pay for jumping true our system. so in other words, even attackers aren't allowed to come into your system? and how does an afk cloaker kill someone? sounds like it's u who wants risk-free 0.0 because u don't want anyone at all to attack u or your system. and they still haven't explained how one person who isn't even doing anything "terrorizes" everyone in the system. all i hear is nothing but qq about risk while they think they're entitled to easy isk without having to maintain it; they just don't want to admit it. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek
Baaldor Black Sail Anarchists Yarr Collective	Posted - 2011.08.11 17:39:00 - [43] Originally by: Torenc You8 wrong complitly wie have right for thos resurses wie fighted a war until you sited afk some where wie trowed biljons in that sytem to get it in right state for us, wie pay for that sytems to concord, if you wish more reasons than tellme i can name more. You are the one ho dont heve right be there at all, wie pay for sytem and you come in and distrubt our ppl and kiling his ships by using afl clouckers with siting in system weeks geting rewards from it by loot, and intel. i tink you shuld pay to be there to if you are in sytem and using it and geting rewarded at the end or pay for jumping true our system. Holy Christ! Use spell check.
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.08.11 19:02:00 - [44] Originally by: Cynoska McNamara Aramis Rosicrux hits the point! Why an AFK player can be safe in 0.0? Cloacking devices nerfing solve this imbalance. If you are against nerfing, it means that your role is to be an AFK cloaker in enemies territories and get paid to do it. Or you are the picker of this activity. Scared to lost your job? Aramis hit no points at all. It was just more senseless and emotional ranting, without any logical basis. Cloaking is already balanced, what you are asking for is imbalance. You want more intel power and the ability to blob. Local is your problem, not cloaks. Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Dub Step Minmatar Death To Everyone But Us	Posted - 2011.08.11 19:11:00 - [45] Cowardice, ignorance and incompetence is the problem, not cloaks.
Cynoska McNamara	Posted - 2011.08.11 20:50:00 - [46] Originally by: Dub Step Cowardice, ignorance and incompetence is the problem, not cloaks. AFK Cloacker are payed to do it and wanna continue to be payed. A nerf ruins this easy way to do money. This is the problem.
Danika Princip Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.08.11 21:33:00 - [47] Originally by: Cynoska McNamara Originally by: Dub Step Cowardice, ignorance and incompetence is the problem, not cloaks. AFK Cloacker are payed to do it and wanna continue to be payed. A nerf ruins this easy way to do money. This is the problem. people pay AFK cloakers? Since when?
chopper14	Posted - 2011.08.11 21:43:00 - [48] Originally by: Cynoska McNamara Edited by: Cynoska McNamara on 11/08/2011 07:40:33 Originally by: chopper14 I an guilty of AFK cloaking. I do it when I'm ratting for sec status. I do it when I'm at war with a superior force (usually in low sec so they get blown up looking for me). I do it when I want to kill people and need them to lower their gaurd. I do it when people are hanging out where I want to hang out Infact I do it as much as I can. I can understand your whining but if there is a "AFK cloaker in your system just jump to the one next door and carry on if he doesn't follow you, you win if he does then jump sombody back through and drop the biggest freaking bubble on the best interceptor pilot you have. Of course if he follows you he isn't really AFK is he? Like wise you can leave a cloaky combat probe alt behind which will make him think there is a target about and keep him cloaked while your off having fun. Also I don't get why you have the damage mod idea or the needs fuel idea? How many dockable stations do you think there are in null? All you would need to combat afk cloaking is a cycle timer It would last for 15 minuts and start flashing and making noise 20 sec before you decloak if you hit it before the time was up you would stay cloaked for another 15 minutes. AFK clockers would then appear while I would have to pause my Netflix and reset the damn timer. This is the next point. Why you can benefit to stay AFK for a week ready to attack someone when the guard is lower and be safe all the time? Why a AFK pilot can live in enemy territory without the possibility of being expelled? If I have the sovereignty of a system should have the right to hunt (or try to) the enemy. Remember that a AFK pilot is an ALT. Your main pg are playing in other place.. my main pg are waiting your alt. Players Versus Alts. Quote: Also I don't get why you have the damage mod idea or the needs fuel idea? How many dockable stations do you think there are in null? Zero for a pirate. Infact a pirate should go to null sec.. kill those who want to.. and then GO BACK HOME and not live forever in enemy territory. Oh.. Go tell it to the Klingons you big baby. Maby you should get off eve and see if you can't find mamby pamby land in space... Tissue? Seriously just double bubble all your exits and keep them camped or move to another system. Or, pick up like the Sally you are and go back to 1.0 space. If you can't handle one low threat in local you don't deserve to have sov.<---Period
Cynoska McNamara	Posted - 2011.08.11 22:02:00 - [49] Originally by: Danika Princip people pay AFK cloakers? Since when? I am a witness of a pirate corp paid to stay in Branch, during the War of Northern Coalition. The purpose was to be AFK 24h/day (sometimes attack capital ship opening a cyno for a Titan or normal ships with Marauders) to prevent the activities of mining and block the production of ships and weapons. The pirates themselves inform us of their purpose and the fact that they were paid. AFK cloacker is a subdole job commissioned by enemy alliance to reduce, obstruct and block the production chain.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.08.11 22:07:00 - [50] Originally by: Cynoska McNamara Originally by: Danika Princip people pay AFK cloakers? Since when? I am a witness of a pirate corp paid to stay in Branch, during the War of Northern Coalition. The purpose was to be AFK 24h/day (sometimes attack capital ship opening a cyno for a Titan or normal ships with Marauders) to prevent the activities of mining and block the production of ships and weapons. The pirates themselves inform us of their purpose and the fact that they were paid. AFK cloacker is a subdole job commissioned by enemy alliance to reduce, obstruct and block the production chain. So they did attack while AFK? Seriously though, what you describe sounds like the sandbox is working perfectly there. One question though, since pirates are usually very reasonable people as soon as you wave ISK in front of their faces, why didnt you just pay them to stay AFK all the time?

Treya Neverette	Posted - 2011.08.11 22:17:00 - [51] This thread shows me how amazingly lazy most 0.0 carebears are. Let me get this straight... You are in a system full of blues, and one or two reds who are cloaked, and there so much fear in your heart to use the word terrorism. LMFAO! How about using the your blues as tools and maybe watch some gates, run some scans. If they arent around they are most likely a bomber... one freaken bomber. LMFAO Thats some serious fear tactics... laughable. Are all your blues in mining barges? If so, please give out your system so the real players can have some entertainment at your expense. I thought strength came in numbers, and thats how you survive in 0.0, or EVE all together? I guess not when all the blues are just typical lazy carebears wanting more iskies, and not having to risk anything to attain it. Learn tactics, learn strategy, utilize the tool of your alliance, and most of all stop whinning like a baby that got his sucker taken away.
Bootleg Jack	Posted - 2011.08.11 22:25:00 - [52] I like #2 because for active players there is no bad surprise when the crystal pops, you can have a general idea how long you have because it resets at each repair. #1 would screw people who didn't deserve it by having them become visible in situations where even a few seconds is death. It is really hard to judge the life of crystals that don't repair because the use is added up over many uses. It could blow out after 5 mins because you used it "X hours and 55 minutes" the week before.
chopper14	Posted - 2011.08.12 02:18:00 - [53] Originally by: Cynoska McNamara Originally by: Danika Princip people pay AFK cloakers? Since when? I am a witness of a pirate corp paid to stay in Branch, during the War of Northern Coalition. The purpose was to be AFK 24h/day (sometimes attack capital ship opening a cyno for a Titan or normal ships with Marauders) to prevent the activities of mining and block the production of ships and weapons. The pirates themselves inform us of their purpose and the fact that they were paid. AFK cloacker is a subdole job commissioned by enemy alliance to reduce, obstruct and block the production chain. So basically you are angry because your enemies took the time to read and then follow the teachings of great strategists like sun Tzu, Carl von clauswitz, Yamamoto etc. While instead of adapting and practicing the same, chose to use the; cling to what worked in the past and cry about change strategy? like an old man crying about how much coffee used to cost back in 1902? That's a pretty sure sign that your on your way out. Move over gramps the next generation is here.
chopper14	Posted - 2011.08.12 02:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Cynoska McNamara Edited by: Cynoska McNamara on 11/08/2011 07:40:33 Originally by: chopper14 Also I don't get why you have the damage mod idea or the needs fuel idea? How many dockable stations do you think there are in null? All you would need to combat afk cloaking is a cycle timer It would last for 15 minuts and start flashing and making noise 20 sec before you decloak if you hit it before the time was up you would stay cloaked for another 15 minutes. AFK clockers would then appear while I would have to pause my Netflix and reset the damn timer. This is the next point. Why you can benefit to stay AFK for a week ready to attack someone when the guard is lower and be safe all the time? Why a AFK pilot can live in enemy territory without the possibility of being expelled? If I have the sovereignty of a system should have the right to hunt (or try to) the enemy. Remember that a AFK pilot is an ALT. Your main pg are playing in other place.. my main pg are waiting your alt. Players Versus Alts. Quote: Also I don't get why you have the damage mod idea or the needs fuel idea? How many dockable stations do you think there are in null? Zero for a pirate. Infact a pirate should go to null sec.. kill those who want to.. and then GO BACK HOME and not live forever in enemy territory. Back home? 0.0 is far more hospitable to a pirate then low sec! Think about it... Theres no gate guns... There is however, carebears...ratters...missioners...site runners in crappy fit tengu's looking for wh to farm. I never see carebears and hardly ever see missioners in low sec, and low sec t3's are usually geared much more towards PVP since they can gate hug. And no the number isn't 0 there are a few NPC stations scattered about that you can repair and set your clone to. some stations even have decent markets. There just aren't enough to make your idea anything other than a logistical nightmare. And by the way when your flashy red home is wherever you freakin say it is, and all space is enemy territory.
Nariya Kentaya Coalition Of Gentlemen.	Posted - 2011.08.12 04:12:00 - [55] Originally by: chopper14 Maby you should get off eve and see if you can't find mamby pamby land in space... Tissue? if hes quoting Gunny, he must be correct!
Cynoska McNamara	Posted - 2011.08.12 08:59:00 - [56] Originally by: chopper14 Back home? 0.0 is far more hospitable to a pirate then low sec! I think you have to read better. I wrote to go back home after a pirate mission in null-sec. Login -> travel in null sec -> stai cloaked waiting your victim -> kill -> reapet -> after X hour go back in low sec to recharge your cloaking device module -> travel in null sec again. I do not think to ask for a modification that kills piracy. Originally by: Omara Otawan So they did attack while AFK? You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. I am very sorry for your limits.
Torenc	Posted - 2011.08.12 13:21:00 - [57] Originally by: Anna Lifera Edited by: Anna Lifera on 11/08/2011 15:08:54 Originally by: Torenc You8 wrong complitly wie have right for thos resurses wie fighted a war until you sited afk some where wie trowed biljons in that sytem to get it in right state for us, wie pay for that sytems to concord, if you wish more reasons than tellme i can name more. and u think u're entitled be safe in 0.0? Originally by: Torenc You are the one ho dont heve right be there at all, wie pay for sytem and you come in and distrubt our ppl and kiling his ships by using afl clouckers with siting in system weeks geting rewards from it by loot, and intel. i tink you shuld pay to be there to if you are in sytem and using it and geting rewarded at the end or pay for jumping true our system. so in other words, even attackers aren't allowed to come into your system? and how does an afk cloaker kill someone? sounds like it's u who wants risk-free 0.0 because u don't want anyone at all to attack u or your system. and they still haven't explained how one person who isn't even doing anything "terrorizes" everyone in the system. all i hear is nothing but qq about risk while they think they're entitled to easy isk without having to maintain it; they just don't want to admit it. Not safe i never safd safe, i sad use resureses niot sit my self in POS for 2 weeks and wait until soem ****ing afker dies or gos away, I wish to kil him find him and be able to find him, in soem monent that he cant sit all the time half or mostly afk, and do noting, i wish to able hunt him dowbn and kil befor hee kiled my corp m8 or allince m8. so in other words, even attackers aren't allowed to come into your system? and how does an afk cloaker kill someone? sounds like it's u who wants risk-free 0.0 because u don't want anyone at all to attack u or your system. way risk free eny way atackes are only rater kilers when comes top real pvp they runing and runing fast, thy dont look for fight but for easy kils only. they wil ned than pay for each jump thathey make in to our systems. Atleast hen they will not run so fast to chath them up and kill. and they still haven't explained how one person who isn't even doing anything "terrorizes" everyone in the system. all i hear is nothing but qq about risk while they think they're entitled to easy isk without having to maintain it; they just don't want to admit it. Explanation : you wish that i show or that i write i wuld liek to show you, name you ratign system i wil bring my alts there and clouck and wil hold close a Black ops fleet to jump in you wil know your self how that is if 1 alt wil sit cloucked in each off your aliance system, i tink you wil fist try to bait me then afcors i wil not take bait ;) ( it o sited soem time afk in sytem s and know how to do that). And igf you cant name systme where you rat or you not rat att all you nto sopose to poste even here you dont know about you talking then.
Torenc	Posted - 2011.08.12 13:24:00 - [58] Edited by: Torenc on 12/08/2011 13:27:11 Originally by: Danika Princip Originally by: Cynoska McNamara Originally by: Dub Step Cowardice, ignorance and incompetence is the problem, not cloaks. AFK Cloacker are payed to do it and wanna continue to be payed. A nerf ruins this easy way to do money. This is the problem. people pay AFK cloakers? Since when? Yes they are paid and geting prity good money from it, i know my self 3 ppl hoo erning such way money and they have inaf money to hold and play eve with 3 chars and not worry about moeny att all, one even told tha they resiving per alt atraund 300 milj per week to sit and colect intel with bots and when posible oppen cynos for titans or back opses. they even tried recruit me tha t i go do the same ting but i agenst eny boting never boted att all all money waht i have rated with me and my alt, by dual boxing.
Torenc	Posted - 2011.08.12 13:33:00 - [59] Originally by: Treya Neverette This thread shows me how amazingly lazy most 0.0 carebears are. Let me get this straight... You are in a system full of blues, and one or two reds who are cloaked, and there so much fear in your heart to use the word terrorism. LMFAO! How about using the your blues as tools and maybe watch some gates, run some scans. If they arent around they are most likely a bomber... one freaken bomber. LMFAO Thats some serious fear tactics... laughable. Are all your blues in mining barges? If so, please give out your system so the real players can have some entertainment at your expense. I thought strength came in numbers, and thats how you survive in 0.0, or EVE all together? I guess not when all the blues are just typical lazy carebears wanting more iskies, and not having to risk anything to attain it. Learn tactics, learn strategy, utilize the tool of your alliance, and most of all stop whinning like a baby that got his sucker taken away. So you wil be that ho wil sit 23/7 on the gate for month. and wil not go eat sleap to work att all. They to not stupid like you hoo will declouck if i nsytem meny blues and atack some one they will terorize neber hud un til wil be left only couple ppl and some one will make stupid move like start rating. I can tell only one ting afk siting need to be nerfed, wie trued everitng agens them maked flet seted baits of day and day when wie already started to tik so he logs in probably boting just intel after 1 day he decloucked and atacks our member, so thet rater was dead in coule seconds and was shot bu 30 recons and 5 Bleck opses. I see that you nver was in sych situation or yopu dont live in sov 0.0 space if so even dont speek you dont understand a **** baout you taliking.
Vertisce Soritenshi SHADOW WARD Tragedy.	Posted - 2011.08.12 13:39:00 - [60] I live in WH space now so I am rather ambivilant to the issue but... I would say that if cloaking needs to be changed then don't change it to make it easier on ratters and miners...change it because being AFK and cloaked can yield a tactical advantage using fear on the locals without actually playing the game. Because of that I would say it is a broken mechanic. But that is the only reason. That said I would say a better fix would to just add in a afk timeout like every other MMO has. If you have not entered any NEW input within a certian period of time...say 15 minutes...then the character is logged out. Yes a macro can bypass this...but that is another problem in which CCP needs a decent macro detection method and enforce it. My point is we should not ruin a perfectly good working system just to fix another problem. NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND!



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