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Alt Char01
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Posted - 2005.02.28 05:21:00 -
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Edited by: Alt Char01 on 28/02/2005 05:22:01
..that GMs tell you... you shouldnt be using items available ingame...
yes its about implants, and they are a vital part of the game, the only one that will help new players catch up. and im WTF ?!? when i get this response on forums and to top it off from a GM this time.
and let me tell you whats been eluding every1... people wont go into 0.0 because they dont want to lose their implants... its the only thing they care about... its not their ship even uninsured but the implants. So making those insurable in some way ( new clones come with a basic set), im telling you.... you WILL see and exodus in 0.0
which brings me to another point... clones should automatically update based on your skillpoints.. dont accuse ppl they are lazy to check medical... but its a fact they forget and then its too late... EVE is the only game that has such a harsh penalty for death.
and for those stating the obvious, yes.. i got poded. and no, you cant have my suff, and no, i dont want a cookie.
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2005.02.28 05:24:00 -
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I've spent months in 0.0 and never been podded, that includes fleet battles. you have to take risks. No pain no gain.
Learn and adapt. heh, or upgrade your comptuer. :)
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Alt Char01
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Posted - 2005.02.28 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: Alt Char01 on 28/02/2005 05:29:11
Edited by: Alt Char01 on 28/02/2005 05:28:42
no... there should be no risks on something as important as implants.. and ill tell you what i can risk..my ship... but not that...
and to the second poster... image ppl like me being gone.. ccp wont be making enough money to keep ppl like you playing such a game. its called customer satisfaction.
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Justin Cody
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Posted - 2005.02.28 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: Justin Cody on 28/02/2005 05:32:39
Edited by: Justin Cody on 28/02/2005 05:30:39
I thank god that there is a penalty for death in this game that is meaningful. Keeps me on my toes. Sure its a pain to lose implants and sure its harsh when the GM's will give you your ship back, but not the modules (despite them being lost in the same incident), but that is the most equitable way to do things. When I kill someone its not just to say 'haha I WTFPWN3D your 1337 shuttle,' its to take your stuff.This is a game where free will matters. Implants are now part of a reward system. Should there be a payout if yer implants are destroyed in a PvP action? no, or if so the insurance would hack everyone off cause it wouldn't be market value oriented , but instead whatever CCP estimated the value at (see tech 2 ships) but thats alljust my opinion. fly safe
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.02.28 05:34:00 -
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OMG Wow, death has meaning...
rather that than quake in space anyday.
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alphawolf2929
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Posted - 2005.02.28 05:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Alt Char01
Edited by: Alt Char01 on 28/02/2005 05:29:11
Edited by: Alt Char01 on 28/02/2005 05:28:42
its called customer satisfaction.
Yep, eve serving 50,000 un happy customers  compared to eve, all other games can be called care bearing games 
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Crissy
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Posted - 2005.02.28 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alt Char01
Edited by: Alt Char01 on 28/02/2005 05:29:11
Edited by: Alt Char01 on 28/02/2005 05:28:42
no... there should be no risks on something as important as implants.. and ill tell you what i can risk..my ship... but not that...
Oh Please, if EvE did not have any risks, this game would be no fun 
Yes there was a time where I was conserned about loosing my implants but when I really wanted to foucs on PVP, those fears all went away and now I can care less about loosing them and as in terms of replacing them, not going to since the advanced learning skills came into the game...
have had a full set of implants on for about over 10 months now and have taken part in lots of PVP and yes I have been ganked a number of times in fleet battles...... PVP and Fleet battles are a lot of fun (minus the Lag  )and I think that having fun is worth the risk 
If you don't want to loose implants, simple just stay in an NPC corp and live your life in empire space............that's not any fun if you ask me
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TheNecromancer
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Posted - 2005.02.28 06:30:00 -
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as a carebear my self..I can only agree...IF..I was able to take out my implants ..I would go into 0.4- ...just to see..I would not mind losing my ship or my clone..as long as my VERY EXPENSIVE implants where intact.....
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.02.28 06:33:00 -
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Edited by: F'nog on 28/02/2005 06:33:36
Implants are not necessary to the game. They're a luxury. Only one of my characters has implants, and it's tough playing her. This one doesn't, and boy does it make life easy. The only implants I'll ever put on this one are cheap hardwiring ones that I won't mind losing.
If you can't handle losing implants, don't use any. It's as simple as that. There's a simple rule in Eve: if you can't afford to lose it, don't use it.
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Alt Char01
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Posted - 2005.02.28 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Edited by: F'nog on 28/02/2005 06:33:36
There's a simple rule in Eve: if you can't afford to lose it, don't use it.
im afraid things are not this simple... you dont expect to get poded in empire space, now do you? or even your pod intact sitting at the gate after so many hours?
the game has flaws... therefore ppl need insurance for the time they invested in such things they CANT afford to loose to any previsible event...
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Summ3rz
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Posted - 2005.02.28 06:59:00 -
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i agree with what you're saying Alt Char01.
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2005.02.28 07:04:00 -
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I've been pvping for over 9 months with a head full of implants, and I've lost my fair share of ships. Be smart, don't get podded. If you know what you're doing, you wont be risking your implants.
If you dont like it? Find another game, or be an empire noob-corp carebear.
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Alt Char01
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Posted - 2005.02.28 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Righteous Fury
...or be an empire noob-corp carebear.
i guess you havent read my last post.. i was that and i still lost them... so let me say it again for you too... this is why we need insurance for them! or clones with implants... |
V1ceroy
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Posted - 2005.02.28 07:17:00 -
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...yes its about implants, and they are a vital part of the game...
Um no they're not. Implants are a luxury and a risk, and you'll see that a lot of the "old players" don't use them. Not using implants does not cripple your game, they aren't vital, you can do without them.
As mentioned above;
If you can't afford to lose it, don't use it
Very very simple.
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2005.02.28 07:20:00 -
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To answer your question: Money Sink.
And you should always expect to get attacked. Even in Empire.
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Alt Char01
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Posted - 2005.02.28 07:30:00 -
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you see V1ceroy... the veterans can afford to go without implants.. it is a luxury for them but for new players is a MUST HAVE! and in empire space one should be safe, if not plz return my implants! now!!
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Sheial Tarlien
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Posted - 2005.02.28 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Alt Char01
you see V1ceroy... the veterans can afford to go without implants.. it is a luxury for them but for new players is a MUST HAVE! and in empire space one should be safe, if not plz return my implants! now!!
As a new player, I couldnt disagree more.
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V1ceroy
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Posted - 2005.02.28 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Alt Char01
you see V1ceroy... the veterans can afford to go without implants.. it is a luxury for them but for new players is a MUST HAVE! and in empire space one should be safe, if not plz return my implants! now!!
No, its not a MUST HAVE. You can NOT HAVE them and still play the game, thus it is not a MUST.
Also no where does it say empire space is safe. Everywhere is unsafe to an extent. Travel accordingly.
And btw, considering how hard it is to get podded, I don't see how you managed to get podded in empire, especially if it was 0.5+ (if its low sec empire, then you can't say its supposed to be safe anyway).
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2005.02.28 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: V1ceroy
And btw, considering how hard it is to get podded, I don't see how you managed to get podded in empire, especially if it was 0.5+ (if its low sec empire, then you can't say its supposed to be safe anyway).
Er... well, if a pod's sitting at a gate (and yes, ppl do sit at gates in pod's sometimes) all you need to do is Lock and shoot a few missiles. The concept is a little sketchy I know but I'm sure you get the drift. (Do you PvP at all?)
Yes, the people who sit there are basically asking to be podded... (I dont even like leaving ships AFK at gates), but it can, and does happen. I'm not sure, but I think its also classed as greifing unless your at war.
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Alt Char01
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Posted - 2005.02.28 08:13:00 -
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sheial, if you cant make and argument plz stop posting!
and V1ceroy, implants are a must have for anyone that wants to be competitive...
but this is not what the argument is about.. its about being able to insure them so you wont loose something this preciousss and as a bonus.. you will see more ppl involed in pvp
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.02.28 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Alt Char01
implants, and they are a vital part of the game, the only one that will help new players catch up.
They are not vital. You can play the game without them. If they were "vital" you wouldn't be able to play without them.
Also, they do NOT allow a new player to "catch up". The 15-24 months of lead time older players have pretty much assures that. You'd need 4 times the time the attributes of an older to player to actually "catch up" in any sort of reasonable time (at a guess). Then you need to consider that a lot of older players HAVE implants, in some cases +4's. The older players are the ones that can afford luxury items like implants.
Stop complaining that you didn't start playing March 2003 (or whenever the game started) and jsut play at your own pace. You'll become an "older player" soon enough, as some of the current older players leave and lots of new players start playing after you.
Originally by: Alt Char01
EVE is the only game that has such a harsh penalty for death.
Thats what makes this game so much more interesting.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.02.28 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis Machine
To answer your question: Money Sink.
And you should always expect to get attacked. Even in Empire.
implants are not a money sink as the only way to get them is from players running agent missions, and they get them as a reward, not by spending isk on them
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TimeKeepr
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Posted - 2005.02.28 08:19:00 -
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implants (like has been said already multiple times) are a luxury, they are not a "MUST HAVE" to ANYONE, not even new players. implants should never be insured. if you lose them, theyre gone forever until you get new ones. losing ships is not a biggie to anyone, because theyre insured. this game needs some risk, and flying with impants is one of them.
live and learn, and fly safely.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.02.28 08:26:00 -
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Been playing for 2 years. Don't consider implants a "vital part" of the game, nor do I use them due to my tendency to have spontaneous and violent deaths. The only implant I've ever had (and lost) was a +3 perc implant I bought for 4 mil.
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Sheial Tarlien
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Posted - 2005.02.28 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Alt Char01
sheial, if you cant make and argument plz stop posting!
If you cant post with your main, please stop posting.
You state Implants are a must have for new players, as a new player, I was voicing the fact I disagree with your statement.
Simple fact is, there is no possible way, even with all the implants in the world, you can catch up skill point wise... but that in no way means you cant be competitive.
Perhaps the problem is just that youre too lazy to invest the time needed.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.02.28 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/02/2005 08:57:41
Implants are not a "must for new players." They're far too expensive for new players and IMO pointless. Implants are for people who can AFFORD TO RISK THEM. If there was no risk this would simply be counterstrike in space.
And the penalty for death without a clone is not particularly great. Only 5% of the difference between clone coverage and skill points--so if you have 5m skill points, you lose about 250k. Not that horrible
Also, many of the top player pirates use hundreds of millions worth of implants, because they never get podded.
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zaqq
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Posted - 2005.02.28 09:09:00 -
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Listen, if you want mass pvp, then simply remove the clone from the game, thats it basic. If ppl weren't that affraid of dying cos of clones and implants, hell i'd pvp all day.
Just have a designated system you get reborn/repawned in.
Is this concept so hard to grasp
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.02.28 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: zaqq
Listen, if you want mass pvp, then simply remove the clone from the game, thats it basic. If ppl weren't that affraid of dying cos of clones and implants, hell i'd pvp all day.
Just have a designated system you get reborn/repawned in.
Is this concept so hard to grasp
Yup, it is hard to grasp, cause it would be a different game than Eve. Some of us like playing Eve. Not some other game where you don't lose a thing upon death.
Oh and some of us do PvP "all day", even with expensive implants, or T2 gear etc 
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Nemiona
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Posted - 2005.02.28 09:24:00 -
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Need implants when youre new ? nah.. Think I was about 5 months old before I got my first implant, and that was from a corp mate.. then I got more implants when I got them as mission reward.. and then I lost the implants in a war.. and then we got advanced learning skills... and then implants was not so important anymore...
youre an empire space player ? I have no idea what you do in .5-1.0 but I guess its mining.. mining these days are extremely rewarding.. mexx sells at 16, pyr at 6, trit at 2.. I wish I had those prices when I started..
afk in a pod at a gate = you asks for it... afk anywhere in space is totally retarded..
I disagree that implants are a vital part of the game. you say new players need them, ok, but new players should not go into .0 space. Automatically update clone ? if you forget to update it, Im sure youll only forget it once.. again I disagree.
why not just make everything auto, then you dont even have to play the game, you can just sit and watch it play itselves..
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Nemiona
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Posted - 2005.02.28 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: zaqq
Listen, if you want mass pvp, then simply remove the clone from the game, thats it basic. If ppl weren't that affraid of dying cos of clones and implants, hell i'd pvp all day.
Just have a designated system you get reborn/repawned in.
Is this concept so hard to grasp
a 2 mill clone holds 10 mill sp... and if you have more sp than that you also have the money to pay for it.. atleast you should have...
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