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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.02.28 17:02:00 -
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After reaching 500k lp and going through this with a few other agent runers i feel its time to review them.
First of all they are in 0.0 so chances are if you can run them you may not be able to for long as the security of this space changes daily.
this means under taking one is a huge risk as you could reach 400k lp and a hostile force moves in so you have to leave.
next is the isk you can make off them.
the npc 80% of the time lack a bounty and the rewards are not anything special.
If you are lucky you will make 50% the isk a empire agent runner makes.
now for the offers and mission distribution.
You will often find that offers for 70k of sooth sayers at a price of 450k lp are comon place.
Also unlike empire factions these afents don't offer the pirate faction module bpc's.
there are a few super items that can come availible through these agents though, the pirate faction ships.
Now to claiming these things.
the agents WILL ask you for empire faction insignias.
the idea of these are that you get them from the missions you actualy do.
This is where the current mission imbalance really bite's
the tags come from gone berserk missions and are a very rare spawn at the end.
But currently after the last patch you will get 1 gone berserk a day on adverage. this is SOME the missions i got from level 3 agent over 2 days:
Gone berserk: 2
the score: 4
Retribution: 17
minmatar detective spoted: 8
rougue drone harrasment: 7
Foil the military preperations: 3
Failing the cartel comes at a price: 6
police intrusion: 5
stop the theif: 2
Damsel in distress: 6
Slaves returned: 2
Sabotage: 1
Ambush the convoy: 3
Blockade: 4
Pirate business: 2
Revenage is sweet: 3
head hunter threat: 8
intercept sabatours: 4
unauthorised mil presense: 2
what comes around go around: 2
also how many i have had repeat right after finishing it:
retribution 2 times in a row.
minmatar detective 2 times.
minmatar detective again 3 times in a row.
This means chances of getting the 4-5 diffrent types of tags in the 7 days is very low to near on impossible.
And due to the fact they only drop from the missions from the agent you are getting the offer from chances are if ANY 1 has the tag they have got it on their own way to the offer so you will have a extream hard time to impossible on buying it.
You can however get some nice loot but only a few items a empire runner would't get.
time it takes to make 500k lp is around 3 week unless you run missions 14 hours a day.
you may then have to spend 2 weeks getting the tags.
so in general i would only recomend a player with over a billion in spare cash a dam good raven setup and guarented access to the agent and systems near by for atleast a month
take thee on.
expect to be extreamly frustrated even if you can manage that.
ON A SIDE NOTE I STILL CANT FIND MY MINMATAR FLEET RAID LEADER TAG. THE LAST TAG'S AFTER DOING ALL THE ABOVE FOR MY FACTION BS OFFER. 
Hope this helps with chossing t do them or not.
and best of luck if you do.
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VortiK
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Posted - 2005.02.28 19:36:00 -
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As fairimear does, I reached 500K lp on lvl4 agents missions the same day as him.
Unfortunatly instead of been offered a Machariel BPC, the agent wanted 255k lp + 76M isk for 37k sooth sayer.
I can't tell how hard I wanted to kill that npc 
Apart this, I share most of fairimear's views on 0.0 lvl4 missions and I see two major issues with them.
First one, and as stated before, you don't get any bounty on npc you have to kill. Pirates drones have a bounty given by CONCORD, why Police drones don't have a bounty given by NPC Pirates Organisation ?
The second big sink of entertaintement is that when you reach enough LPs, which is a real hard work of patience and determination especially when you love doing missions (  ), and if you get an offer which is not a total joke, you simply can't complete it by lack of the needed insignas.
Wouldn't it be possible to make sure the player get the needed stuff before he reach the ammount of lp for the offers needing them ? Or is it intended that thoses insignas are so rare and almost impossible to get ?
The above mentionned ratio of missions shows it dont really help. I remember of getting 8 times in a rows rogue drones missions ( Rogue Drone Harrassement and Infested Ruins ). I left the 9th for the next day >_<
We are now 3 players to have 500k lp worth of lvl4 missions, and absolutly none of us saw the following in theses missions:
minmatar fleet Raid Leader insigna
minmatar fleet Squad Leader insigna
minmatar fleet Private Elite insigna
Kali Mitez's insigna
Ixon Kruz's insigna
The only one we actually all got ( and a needed one \o/ ) is the minmatar fleet navy commander insigna ( 1/10 lvl4 gone beserk at least ... when you have a gone beserk ).
I'm a veteran player of EVE and rarely use that forum, but that week of missions and the rewards I got for it, dont really make me feel happy. 
What is a life, devoid of strife ? 
Glorious Furture |
K'roth Manatir
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Posted - 2005.02.28 20:21:00 -
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The Current mission system seems designed to cause disapontment, anger, frustration and grief. If someone put thier heart and soul into working damn hard for something they should get it. Working day in day out for months and then having to bear the heart ache of not getting what they have aimed for is just plain evil.
The LP offer system is almost as bad as the much bemoaned reaserch system. Whats wrong with just letting the players have a definate goal that they can work towards without all the "luck" thrown in? A corp wide LP system that works more like a shop where players can trade in the LP's for things they want from a list of available items would be much fairer on everyone.
Please CCP change the system so players can take control of thier LPs and spend them how they wish instead of this terrible luck based system.
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capt
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Posted - 2005.02.28 20:38:00 -
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 Originally by: fairimear
the npc 80% of the time lack a bounty and the rewards are not anything special.
If you are lucky you will make 50% the isk a empire agent runner makes.
It has been pointed out numerous times before by the devs that the tags replaced the bounties and that you get money when handing in those tags.
Originally by: fairimear
Now to claiming these things.
the agents WILL ask you for empire faction insignias.
the idea of these are that you get them from the missions you actualy do.
This is where the current mission imbalance really bite's
the tags come from gone berserk missions and are a very rare spawn at the end.
And due to the fact they only drop from the missions from the agent you are getting the offer from chances are if ANY 1 has the tag they have got it on their own way to the offer so you will have a extream hard time to impossible on buying it.
Offers from empire agent runners ask for priate tags who are just as rare and expensive and can't be obtained by simple running missions in empire. Most of these tags only drop in rare 0.0 spawns.
As a result these tags are also very expensive and hard to come by.
It's the devs own twisted joke and way to force some interaction between players :) Considering they think agent runners must be asocial autistic peeps......
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.02.28 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 28/02/2005 21:03:33
Originally by: capt
Originally by: fairimear
the npc 80% of the time lack a bounty and the rewards are not anything special.
If you are lucky you will make 50% the isk a empire agent runner makes.
It has been pointed out numerous times before by the devs that the tags replaced the bounties and that you get money when handing in those tags.
The only problem is, pirate agent runners have to sell the tags they need for offers to make money.
At the same time our rare tags are harder to find because while theres less people looking to buy them theres also less people running missions that might spawn em.
Apart from that, it seems Serp agents pretty much only hand out Rogue Drone missions.
While annoying it does allow me to build battleships...after i mine scord for a few hours.
Not enough low end mins in those damn drone ores 
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2005.02.28 21:04:00 -
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How is the loot with Pirate missions? the loot is marginal with my lvl 4 ishukone agent. Sure I have gotten some good stuff, but probably about 1/5th the value of the loot I would get hunting angel npcs all day.
Maybe the loot is way better or something.
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VortiK
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Posted - 2005.02.28 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 28/02/2005 21:03:33
Originally by: capt
Originally by: fairimear
the npc 80% of the time lack a bounty and the rewards are not anything special.
If you are lucky you will make 50% the isk a empire agent runner makes.
It has been pointed out numerous times before by the devs that the tags replaced the bounties and that you get money when handing in those tags.
The only problem is, pirate agent runners have to sell the tags they need for offers to make money.
At the same time our rare tags are harder to find because while theres less people looking to buy them theres also less people running missions that might spawn em.
Apart from that, it seems Serp agents pretty much only hand out Rogue Drone missions.
While annoying it does allow me to build battleships...after i mine scord for a few hours.
Not enough low end mins in those damn drone ores
NPC, especially Angels by minmatar tags as buy order, but 500K isk for a commander insgna II, which i'll need 20 for a BS offer, is not really an income for me.
The mins from rogue drones are great, I got some base from other missions but not enought for thoses 50k zyd
Originally by: Dirtball
How is the loot with Pirate missions? the loot is marginal with my lvl 4 ishukone agent. Sure I have gotten some good stuff, but probably about 1/5th the value of the loot I would get hunting angel npcs all day.
Maybe the loot is way better or something.
You get some good stuff sometimes but its still far from regular belts NPCs, even the buged loots from Angels -.-;
What is a life, devoid of strife ?
Glorious Furture |
Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.02.28 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 28/02/2005 21:16:17
I got 2 Beta Hull expanders and a few nice named cruiser guns.
Its slightly better then in low sec empire, more named cruiser and frigate items. Not bad but nothing worth shipping to empire to sell.
Originally by: VortiK
The mins from rogue drones are great, I got some base from other missions but not enought for thoses 50k zyd
Hehe combined with the minerals i get from the rare normal mission im usually only short on Trit/Pyer. To bad noone is willing to buy any Zyd out here, shipping it back to empire is to much work
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2005.02.28 21:35:00 -
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To the Orginal Poster : So are you complaining about the "Risk vs. Reward" Factor....or the offer system or both ?
Cause, IMHO, the Risk vs. Reward Factor has be argued way too much here....and the Offer System, well needs some work, as most of us Agent Runners know.
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Dewar Scrabulous
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Posted - 2005.02.28 21:39:00 -
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How much are you selling it for? I'd consider it depending on how far out you are and what the price is.
-Dewar
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splattercat
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Posted - 2005.02.28 22:06:00 -
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I must confess i run missions when not at war as a way of keeping my ISK up and not geting bord so i end up pirateing..
Empire=safe and very esay ISK,i made 60-70 MILL over the weekend without the recycled mins sold yet.
Im shocked that agents in 0.0 are not a LOT better then empire..i though CCP wanted ppl to move to 0.0??
Reward system for agent runners in empire MUST be a bit naff IMO (rember i run them also) so the rewards for ppl in 0.0 are better,On a side note the tag thing is total BS, Why do thay want the tags? to prove you killed someone thay dont like? how the hell are you ment to kill them if the agent never sends you to kill them? Buy them? well why dont the agent just buy them? If CCP thinks tags will just be swaped like tradeing cards and NOT sold for daft high prices then thay have learnt nothing from the player driven market of eve over the years,(anyone rember miner 2s at over 10 mill?)
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capt
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Posted - 2005.02.28 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: splattercat
(anyone rember miner 2s at over 10 mill?)
 where are the days........
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Larno
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Posted - 2005.02.28 23:22:00 -
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Might not be any consolation, but I am pretty sure a dev said you get an offer @ 1mil LPs that doesnt need any tags.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.03.01 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 01/03/2005 02:20:01
Originally by: VortiK
minmatar fleet Raid Leader insigna
minmatar fleet Squad Leader insigna
minmatar fleet Private Elite insigna
These are the insignias you get from the rare spawn at the end of lower level gone berserk missions. As far as I know you get a:
Raid leader on the lvl 3 mission
Squad leader on the lvl 2 mission
Private Elite on the lvl 1 mission
Not 100% sure on the private elite, but as far as I remember I got the caldari versions of the squad/raid leader tags a few months back.
Originally by: VortiK
Kali Mitez's insigna
Ixon Kruz's insigna
No idea where those may come from though.
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Falbala
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Posted - 2005.03.01 17:02:00 -
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I get tons of Caldari Insignias from Gallente empire missions... Couldn't those minmattar tags drop from Amarr missions?
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VortiK
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Posted - 2005.03.01 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Falbala
I get tons of Caldari Insignias from Gallente empire missions... Couldn't those minmattar tags drop from Amarr missions?
I have a corp mate who is running Amarr missions, he has some minmatar fleet tags, but none of the rare one.
However, with Angel missions you have 75% of minmatar fleet killing missions which gives you loads of tags. Of course the rares ones are, well rare ...
What is a life, devoid of strife ?
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.03.01 21:28:00 -
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0.0 offers really really need to last a month. if ccp wont sort missions and give me... i mean us a brake they could atleast do that.
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Insolitus
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Posted - 2005.03.01 23:01:00 -
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Hi there,
Along with fairimear and VortiK I also have 500.000 LP for the Angel Cartel and I am currently awaiting the Machariel bpc offer. Fairimear was lucky enough to get the first Machariel bpc offer ingame, however it also brought forth some major problems.
The tags one needs for the agentoffers come from agent missions for the Angel Cartel faction. This means we don't have to go to other places to hunt npcs in order to get the tags we need. However, CCP has changed something regarding agent missions. Ever since the Vengeance and Rogue Drone has been ingame our agents offer us dead space missions for the most part. And unfortunatly the tags we need only come from the Gone Berserk mission and even then you need a lot of luck to get the rare spawn at the end. So I must conclude that at this point in time our agent simply gives us to many deadspace missions, making it almost impossible to acquire the rare tags we need.
CCP should either give pirate agents less deadspace missions or change the amount of required tags for our offers.
Regards,
Insolitus
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Posted - 2005.03.02 02:26:00 -
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Erm all faction ship offers require some uber rare commander insignias that almost never appear.Its not just 0.0 problems.
And my mate with combat pilot stats can make 20-30 mill an HOUR in 0.0 mining,and hes something like 2 months old.60-70 mill over the weekend is a cake.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.03.02 09:35:00 -
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getting tags for a 0.0 agent is so hard. i could get all the tags for a navy apoc simple.
the named one on it has even been on escrow 4 times this week alone. when was last time you seen a minmatar fleet raid leader insignia?
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capt
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Posted - 2005.03.02 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: capt on 02/03/2005 09:44:13
Originally by: fairimear
getting tags for a 0.0 agent is so hard. i could get all the tags for a navy apoc simple.
the named one on it has even been on escrow 4 times this week alone. when was last time you seen a minmatar fleet raid leader insignia?
You fail to mention at what insane prices they are put on escrow, but I guess prices for the raid leader insigna would be equally insane.
For 2 bill I'll show you mine.....
For those who lost their humour, previous line was a joke!
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.03.02 10:29:00 -
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you not far rong. sofar i have paid 1.2 billion on tags for this.
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2005.03.02 13:42:00 -
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0.0 agent runners also have to factor in the opportunity cost associated with not being able to npc hunt for the faction they are trying to build up standing with...
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2005.03.02 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Popov
0.0 agent runners also have to factor in the opportunity cost associated with not being able to npc hunt for the faction they are trying to build up standing with...
You don't get standing hits when hunting pirate npc's in 0.0, only in empire .... not sure if it's supposed to be this way
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VortiK
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Posted - 2005.03.03 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: capt
Edited by: capt on 02/03/2005 09:44:13
Originally by: fairimear
getting tags for a 0.0 agent is so hard. i could get all the tags for a navy apoc simple.
the named one on it has even been on escrow 4 times this week alone. when was last time you seen a minmatar fleet raid leader insignia?
You fail to mention at what insane prices they are put on escrow, but I guess prices for the raid leader insigna would be equally insane.
For 2 bill I'll show you mine.....
For those who lost their humour, previous line was a joke!
The said tag is in the secret complexe you get info on it's location with the offer ... However Ixon has no secret place, it is a rare mission spawn.
Originally by: ElCoCo
Originally by: Mr Popov
0.0 agent runners also have to factor in the opportunity cost associated with not being able to npc hunt for the faction they are trying to build up standing with...
You don't get standing hits when hunting pirate npc's in 0.0, only in empire .... not sure if it's supposed to be this way
I have -5 with Angel Cartel and it's defnetly not by killing them in EmpireSpace.
What is a life, devoid of strife ?
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2005.03.03 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: VortiK
I have -5 with Angel Cartel and it's defnetly not by killing them in EmpireSpace.
Well there is something wrong since my standings don't decrease when npc hunting in 0.0 (although sec rating goes up) but do decrease when doing kill missions in empire
I've been hunting guristas since late summer 2003 when I first ventured in 0.0 and I still have worst standings with serpentis from my early gallente mission doing days. 
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