Agreed somewhet but in essence if you cannot be there to defend your space all the time the obvious consequence is having less of it and a reduced ability (and desire) to grab more of it.

It stands to reason that it is now available for someone else with a reduced likelihood of the massive sovs trying to take it away from you. If they did then the cycle simply repeats.

That's not to say any small alliance won't have to defend it too but it's all relative. If you can, you deserve it. If you can't..... And even a startup alliance is going to be limited in their ability to expand without growth.

Perhaps my "evil cunning plan" is just simply stalling the inevitable fact that Eve is too damn small now.

Yeah. You do have to show up. How much money do you make when you're NOT a work.

PXF was empty. Used to be prime. What changed? Only bots ratters I saw was B-DB. But the argument you're heading towards is moot.

And I ask again. How much money do you make when you're NOT a work.

For all the bitching about (supposed) AFK iskies that everyone else makes (particularly against Incursion runners/FW etc.) , the worst area in Eve is POS's that produce with a safe mode for defense.

And it's still making money while you are actually somewhere else taking MOAR ground.

Who else can do that in Eve?

Is this idea getting scarey for you guys because it might actually make sense? Just imagine having to look after what you actiually own and have to think about your expansion dreams - all at the same time.

I can see why you're getting tetchy about it.

get out.

Tech moons and timers are not mutually exclusive. The tech keeps pumping right up until that timer get's tripped then you just blueball to save it and you can be a trillion light years away because you got a whole day to come back on your steed and rescue the iron maiden.

I say change it.

While your tower is pumping isk, it's at serious risk. Be there or I can kill it - and quickly. Which part of that haven't you got?

You wanna keep churning out the coin, be there. If you don't wanna stay and look after it, put it in defense mode and go play MOAR space invaders. But it STOPS making money while it's like that. The longer you are gone, the longer it's not working.

And every new piece of territory you want to take is going to have the same problem. How big could you grow? How small will you have to become?

If a smaller force CAN hurt you repeatedly, quickly, without faffing between 2 ops, they will try. atm, no-one bothers.

And really, whether people want to keep/invade/use or ignore the space you vacate is up to them. Once you vacate, and you will have to, what happens is not your concern anymore.

Currently you say you shouldn't have to be there 23/7 to defend it. That's where we differ. BIG TIME.

Me thinx you should be.

lol. I know you will.

But WHERE's YOUR INVASION FLEET now? Can you sustain 100% forward or will you be forced to pull some back?

Come on guys. At least get an FC on your poastings and mount something sustainable.

I'm answering same ol' same ol'....

And hey. Nerfing highsec ain't gonna do jack. You know it I know it. It's just going to make it 2 places I don't wanna be in.

you could say a large portion of charaters in 0.0 are alts of empire players you see works both ways

Many 1 liner responses (predominately by Goons strangely) show a complete lack of appreciation and respect for any debate, even if you don't agree with the content.

So my likewise rebuttal is bad? Who made you the Morality King about what, when and how?

And to boot, your response (with all it's serious spacecop overtones) is go for the man, not the topic.

Yep. Well done. I'll follow your lead instead next time.

So let's put in a request for it shall we? If it comes from you guys it'll get more traction.

I haven't avoided Ghazu's question because the same question has been asked 100 times already and I have argued my stance and POV the whole time.

You've said I'm wrong. Fine. I'm saying your wrong. If "Ghazu" wants to blow wind out of his ass then that's his call. Not mine.

But answer MY question. Why you guys even bothering to shoot it down and slap me around if it's soo stupid an idea it won't even get traction?

Why bother? If I'm being metagamed out of it. Tough. I'm broad shouldered enough to NGAF. But I will retain my right to respond in a thread I started. I'm obliged to.

Again. Repeatedly countered. The POS is as good as INVULNERABLE while you sleep but it PRODUCES nothing.

You turn it ON WHEN YOU are able to DEFEND IT. If you can't ever defend it then you can't damn well have it. Trade butter for guns to help the defense whatever but you make the call.

And correct. The reason for timers is because we gotta sleep sometime.

But why? Because NO POS DEFENSE IN IT"S CURRENT FORM IS CAPABLE OF STOPPING AN ATTACK of ANY reasonable size. I could even DS a POS in current form and won't can't stop an attack.


>> Now gimme a POS that can and let ME work out what I do with it. <<

okay homie let's discuss this for real.

There's no real barrier for anyone who actually wants to get into nullsec on a physical basis, just a total lack of motivation to do so because while alliance level income like renters and technetium is extremely lucrative in paying for in-game costs of owning space like sov and fuel, and metagame things like SRPs, individual level income (the isk I make while undocked in a ship) isn't good enough to justify the losses and opportunity costs.

The trick to making your scenario of mobs of scrubs start squatting in a guy's space while they're on 100% deployment is not by making structures way easier to flip (spoiler: they'll flip yours even easier plus they have the support network to actually profit from taking and defending them, unlike you), but by making living in nullsec so appealing for individuals that anyone who takes a corner of space and doesn't use it has highseccers popping out of wormholes with bestowers full of pos modules and dreams, mining away and manufacturing assloads of thrashers to defend their new home. Then before you know it Issler Dainze has ganked your PI hauler as your alliance's bears keep stumbling into these ratnests of squatters.

Why nobody does this now is because everything on an individual level, except grinding isk, building supercaps and mining high end ore, is not only much safer but far easier and more profitable in highsec. Mining? the NPC stations in highsec have better refine rates then the 0.0 POS, or for that matter the 20 bil 0.0 nullsec station. Manufacturing? Single systems in highsec can outproduce entire nullsec regions. Research? Just as cheap and fast to do it under CONCORD protection and dec-shielded POSs. "Oh boy, sneak in to nullsec and lose money? No thanks"

So you can grind isk that has a higher payout then the l4 missions on paper, except there's no upper limit to the amount of pimping one can do on a highsec mission boat, while the nullsec ratting ship has to be disposable on at least some level, meaning there's a performance gap. High end ores make more money, but you can't build anything without also mining large amounts of low-end ore, which is done safer and more profitability in highsec.

So nobody except the big nullsec empires really consider the space worth the effort of taking.

The first real step I figure to making nullsec sufficiently appealing would be to adjust null/high manufacturing capacity to where nullsec was at least capable of supplying its own industrial needs (60-70% of ship consumption in EVE) and highsec industry capacity would be reduced to being able to supply its own portion of EVE ship consumption (26%) and scarcity of manufacturing slots in high would start to make highsec manufacturers broaden the scope of their operations in order to reduce overhead and gain competitive advantage over their rivals. As opposed to now where the best way to keep ahead of one's rivals is never leave <0.5 space. Highsec wouldn't lose any stations, but there'd be less efficient refining and less manufacturing slots per station then their nullsec counterparts, instead of vice versa. Since we're talking about commodities and not raw ISK here, supply/demand will kick and ore and products will be worth far more individually and wouldn't be that big a nerf to the dedicated highsec industrialist.

Second would be to make mining lowends more productive in null/low then in high.

To be fair you where given the place you currently reside when TCF disbanded.

Yes, indeed. Their courage was limited to the fact that I funded and ran the towers and builds.

OK. Your 10 minutes are up. Roll over. Apply sunscreen. Give your other alt a chance.

Which part of WI do you look after again?

Come to think of it. Were you in WI when they WERE an ALLIANCE or did you join after they became a rent-a-cap for Goons?