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Ovv Topik Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.09.23 10:24:00 - [1] - Quote IGÇÖm new to EVE and BattleClinic and havnt figured out the GÇÿPassive DrakeGÇÖ thing. Why all the groaning about them? Is it just cos theyGÇÖre obvious and predictable, or is it a fail fit in some way? I feel like IGÇÖm missing somethingGÇª It looked nice out this morning. So I left it out all day!
TheBreadMuncher Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance 317	Posted - 2012.09.23 10:25:00 - [2] - Quote Six hundred drakes can easily blot out the sun. "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 756	Posted - 2012.09.23 10:31:00 - [3] - Quote I don't get it either OP. Drake pilots aren't "passively" tanking the nerf coming to them. They just active shield tanking like noobs. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me.
EvEa Deva State War Academy Caldari State 82	Posted - 2012.09.23 10:42:00 - [4] - Quote people think a PvE drake that can tank ok, but has crap DPS is overpowered, so they cry people think the PvP drake that has ok tank and ok DPS is overpowered, so they cry So IF CCP nerfs the drake then they will start crying about the Hurricain or brutix or murm or HAM drakes, until every ship in the game is crap because it killed them once.
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 756	Posted - 2012.09.23 10:56:00 - [5] - Quote Those sad words would work EvEa. But I joined the game as gallente. Oh oops, my bad, realized you posted that in a joke thread, nice. Let me add to it as well. Soon little ones big bad CCP will come for your terrbile titans and nerf them, I know they suck anyhow, but that is how mean they are. Also they will take warp instantly away from your pods and shuttles. I know most of you have gone through this before, so you couldn't care less, but some people are too fragile from spending years overpowered, and don't know how to take a **** anymore, without the outfit of maids and servants there to help them through. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me.
McFukinPate State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.09.23 11:05:00 - [6] - Quote Ovv Topik wrote: IGÇÖm new to EVE and BattleClinic and havnt figured out the GÇÿPassive DrakeGÇÖ thing. Why all the groaning about them? BattleClinic is the passive drake of 3rd party EvE sites
Pipa Porto 995	Posted - 2012.09.23 11:07:00 - [7] - Quote EvEa Deva wrote: people think the PvP drake that has ok tank and ok DPS is overpowered, so they cry If by "OK tank," you mean "Best in Class Tank," sure. The Drake has an "OK" tank. If by "OK DPS," you mean "Best in Class DPS with LR Weaponry," sure. The Drake has "OK" DPS. tc;du The Drake's issue is the combination of a fantastic tank and the ability to project damage from an incredible range. The Drake does about as much damage with Fury (73km range) as a Cane does with Barrage (25km assuming falloff has 0 effect on damage). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 756	Posted - 2012.09.23 11:14:00 - [8] - Quote ^ Pipa its a joke thread. We all already knew that stuff about drakes, that OP was simply making a joke. No need to give the punch lines away. Yes indeed the titan use to have an mediocre AOE, as well as having mediocre implants to help in small ways to improve the ship's capabilities. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me.
Pipa Porto 995	Posted - 2012.09.23 11:21:00 - [9] - Quote rodyas wrote: ^ Pipa its a joke thread. We all already knew that stuff about drakes, that OP was simply making a joke. No need to give the punch lines away. Yes indeed the titan use to have an mediocre AOE, as well as having mediocre implants to help in small ways to improve the ship's capabilities. If evea meant her comments as jokes, she's not very good at it. Anyway, might as well post the best Draek fit evor: [Drake, Discharge] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II [Empty High slot] Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Management SM-706 Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Operation SP-906 EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Suvari Khashour Ministry of War Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2012.09.23 12:48:00 - [10] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: rodyas wrote: ^ Pipa its a joke thread. We all already knew that stuff about drakes, that OP was simply making a joke. No need to give the punch lines away. Yes indeed the titan use to have an mediocre AOE, as well as having mediocre implants to help in small ways to improve the ship's capabilities. If evea meant her comments as jokes, she's not very good at it. Anyway, might as well post the best Draek fit evor: [Drake, Discharge] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II [Empty High slot] Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Management SM-706 Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Operation SP-906 thats probably one of the worst drake fits i've ever seen tbh.. you have flown one right ?
baltec1 Bat Country 2256	Posted - 2012.09.23 12:54:00 - [11] - Quote EvEa Deva wrote: people think a PvE drake that can tank ok, but has crap DPS is overpowered, so they cry people think the PvP drake that has ok tank and ok DPS is overpowered, so they cry So IF CCP nerfs the drake then they will start crying about the Hurricain or brutix or murm or HAM drakes, until every ship in the game is crap because it killed them once. This right here is a bitter drake pilot who hates the idea of not being better than all the other BC. Also cane is getting a nerf to fitting space, a much needed rebalance.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 508	Posted - 2012.09.23 13:39:00 - [12] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: rodyas wrote: ^ Pipa its a joke thread. We all already knew that stuff about drakes, that OP was simply making a joke. No need to give the punch lines away. Yes indeed the titan use to have an mediocre AOE, as well as having mediocre implants to help in small ways to improve the ship's capabilities. If evea meant her comments as jokes, she's not very good at it. Anyway, might as well post the best Draek fit evor: [Drake, Discharge] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II [Empty High slot] Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Management SM-706 Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Operation SP-906 Isn't that the drake with some silly quick recharge of about less than 90 seconds to get back to full shield? Bait drake is fun drake. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Lieutenant Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Michael1995 Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 32	Posted - 2012.09.23 13:49:00 - [13] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: rodyas wrote: ^ Pipa its a joke thread. We all already knew that stuff about drakes, that OP was simply making a joke. No need to give the punch lines away. Yes indeed the titan use to have an mediocre AOE, as well as having mediocre implants to help in small ways to improve the ship's capabilities. If evea meant her comments as jokes, she's not very good at it. Anyway, might as well post the best Draek fit evor: [Drake, Discharge] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II [Empty High slot] Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Management SM-706 Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Operation SP-906 Looks like a solid C3 site running drake. One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm.
Grey Azorria Federation Industries 216	Posted - 2012.09.23 14:48:00 - [14] - Quote Suvari Khashour wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: rodyas wrote: ^ Pipa its a joke thread. We all already knew that stuff about drakes, that OP was simply making a joke. No need to give the punch lines away. Yes indeed the titan use to have an mediocre AOE, as well as having mediocre implants to help in small ways to improve the ship's capabilities. If evea meant her comments as jokes, she's not very good at it. Anyway, might as well post the best Draek fit evor: [Drake, Discharge] :Brick Drake Fit: thats probably one of the worst drake fits i've ever seen tbh.. you have flown one right ? 950 DPS tank, 44000 EHP buffer and 370 DPS at max range of 75 km. Your right, that's a terrible fit. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. Mate.
Mars Theran Estel Arador Corp Services 296	Posted - 2012.09.23 17:25:00 - [15] - Quote Since when did Drakes have Best in Class DPS? I always found it was either mediocre DPS and a high regen Passive tank, or Good DPS, and not much of a Passive tank. Granted, either way, it's better than a Brutix, except for the Close range DPS capabilities. ..wait, maybe because there is almost no other ship that passive tanks well, so it is in a class all its own. ..actually, that would be wrong. Hurricane Passive tanks like a beast if you don't mind very low DPS. At least, it did. I'm not sure if they nerfed that bit or not, as it was awhile ago. Maybe I was actually sleeping in front of my computer and dreamed I posted. Certainly, it's not there now.
baltec1 Bat Country 2257	Posted - 2012.09.23 17:31:00 - [16] - Quote Mars Theran wrote: Since when did Drakes have Best in Class DPS? They have had it for years. Nothing in the med long range weapon lineup beats HMLs and no BC gets a tank as massive as the drakes.
Grey Azorria Federation Industries 216	Posted - 2012.09.23 17:36:00 - [17] - Quote Mars Theran wrote: Since when did Drakes have Best in Class DPS? A common misconception, and one that outlines the need to rebalance heavy missiles and the drake. You see heavy missiles are supposed to be the longer range, lower damage variant in the medium missile family, as the beam laser is to the pulse, or the railgun is to the blaster. However heavy missiles so completely dominate in this category that they are often considered to be one of the high damage weapons, albeit with a much longer range. Long story short. People need to stop comparing heavy missiles with autocannons, blasters and pulses - where by design they are lacking in DPS, and compare them to beams, artilery and railguns - where by virtue of poor balancing they are the only logical choice. In fact one could as far as to say that they are the only logical choice out of all the medium weapons, due to having comparable damage to the higher DPS systems with a vastly superior range. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. Mate.
Mars Theran Estel Arador Corp Services 296	Posted - 2012.09.23 17:43:00 - [18] - Quote Here we go; hasn't been nerfed, 76.5K uniform ehp; 170 HP/s Raw Passive Regen, which works out to 519 DPS tank cold, and 611 DPS tank Hot, on the uniform damage distribution. 111 DPS drones, + 497 DPS for Guns and Missiles Cold, or +573 DPS for guns and missiles Hot. ..and you say Drake is King. Course, that's not how you Hurricane, right..? [Hurricane, Massive Passive] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x4 Hammerhead II x1 Maybe I was actually sleeping in front of my computer and dreamed I posted. Certainly, it's not there now.
Lili Lu 482	Posted - 2012.09.23 18:35:00 - [19] - Quote Thank you everyone for publically and indirectly highlighting the long-standing problem with the very skewed BC shield regen stats. Oh it's coming, you know it's coming.
Ginger Barbarella State War Academy Caldari State 140	Posted - 2012.09.23 18:42:00 - [20] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: If by "OK DPS," you mean "Best in Class DPS with LR Weaponry," sure. The Drake has "OK" DPS. I love how Drake has gone from "crap DPS" to "Best In Class DPS" since the nerf was announced!
Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3705	Posted - 2012.09.23 18:50:00 - [21] - Quote Whatever the Drake is a lie, now that hurricane fit on the other hand... "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine
Doc Severide Caldari Provisions Caldari State 173	Posted - 2012.09.23 19:27:00 - [22] - Quote rodyas wrote: I don't get it either OP. Drake pilots aren't "passively" tanking the nerf coming to them. They just active shield tanking like noobs. They damned well better not nerf the Drake, I'll never fly it again. Oh wait, I haven't been in one for 2 years...
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9548	Posted - 2012.09.23 19:42:00 - [23] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: If by "OK DPS," you mean "Best in Class DPS with LR Weaponry," sure. The Drake has "OK" DPS. I love how Drake has gone from "crap DPS" to "Best In Class DPS" since ~~the nerf was announced!~~-ároughly around the nano nerf GÇªand even before that, it has excellent DPS GÇö it just wasn't fully applicable in realistic PvP situations at the time. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Pipa Porto 1000	Posted - 2012.09.23 21:59:00 - [24] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: If by "OK DPS," you mean "Best in Class DPS with LR Weaponry," sure. The Drake has "OK" DPS. I love how Drake has gone from "crap DPS" to "Best In Class DPS" since the nerf was announced! Show me a BC (non Tier 3) that does better damage at 70km. The Drake does the same damage at 70km that a Cane with Barrage does at 25km (ignoring the fact that falloff reduces the Cane's damage at that range). Let's take a look, to match the 396DPS at 73km of a 2 BCU Drake: The Arty Cane... can't do it. 234DPS at 70km (Tremor) or 409DPS at 10km (Quake). The RailRox... not even close. 350DPS at 27km (AM) with 4 Magstabs. The Beam Harbi... not even close. 332DPS at 54km (Aurora) with 6 Heat Sinks. The HM Drake has had Best in Class DPS for a long time. People have been pointing that out for a long time. The fact that people have begun to think that the HM Drake is in the same class as the SR BCs (AC Cane, Blaster Brutix, Pulse Harbi) is just more damning evidence that there's a problem with the HM Drake. Many common fits use 3 BCUs, so the gulf is even wider for those. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Jinton Mare Electric Monk inc Redrum Fleet 0	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:29:00 - [25] - Quote Sorry PvP noob here - How does a drake do all that damage at 73km and stop the target getting away?
Pipa Porto 1000	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:46:00 - [26] - Quote Jinton Mare wrote: Sorry PvP noob here - How does a drake do all that damage at 73km and stop the target getting away? Teamwork. More specifically, you could go with light tackle close it, Bubbles in Null, or Arazu/Lachesis sitting with the main group of Draeks (with Rapier/Huginn to really pin them down). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Shalia Ripper 200	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:49:00 - [27] - Quote TheBreadMuncher wrote: Six hundred drakes can easily blot out the sun. So we can fight in the SHADE! /300 Why can't I just delete my signature CCP? WHYYYYYYY?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1510	Posted - 2012.09.24 01:16:00 - [28] - Quote Shalia Ripper wrote: TheBreadMuncher wrote: Six hundred drakes can easily blot out the sun. So we can fight in the SHADE! /300 They can *blob* out the sun maybe. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm

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