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Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.15 13:50:00 - [1] You're making a couple of awfully large assumptions about what counts as high-end/top-of-the-line in those predictions. Alsoà Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Originally by: Miss Rabblt risk vs reward ^^ That. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.15 17:32:00 - [2] Originally by: Orlacc Where does it say anything about moving level 4 missions? Nowhere. In fact, pretty much none of what the OP says is in the blog. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.15 18:20:00 - [3] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Jenn aSide I will never understand folks like you mate. Why would you play a game that the developers state from the get go is a pvp game is you dont like pvp? I thought it was a sandbox. The reason non-pvp people play is because there are lots of non-pvp things to do in this alleged pvp game. And that's the reason it's a PvP game: because it's a sandbox. Since it lets you do anything you want with the tools available, one of the things that can be done, and which suffuses everything in the game, is that you can go after other players and take their stuff (or just blow it up). Originally by: Windjammer Try adding the two following items together. The quote from the blog ôòBest agents ◦For further discussion. The best agents in the game should all be in nullsec, in keeping with the "richest area in the game" theme. There should be a clear margin of value for nullsec agents that acts as an enticement for mission runners to move there.ö And Constant whines to move L4Æs to null sec. àof which the latter has nothing to do with CCP, and the former has very little to do with L4s. So putting them together serves no purpose. If we're going to interpret things, then L5s will be moved to nullsec, and/or they'll tweak the effective-quality algorithm so sec level becomes an even larger factor. It could also be that they simply tweak the mission lists so the more profitable ones don't appear with highsec agents (but that's of a lesser concern ù the real money is in the agent rewards, not in the rats, so the seemingly high-profit missions are quite often not that good for generating vast amounts of cash). Quote: DoesnÆt that sound like the best agents are going to be all the L4 agents and moved to null sec? Not really, no. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.15 19:11:00 - [4] Originally by: Windjammer You ever hear of a problem with L5Æs being too prevalent in hi sec? Back when you could get them in highsec, yes. But more importantly, so what? The blog is not about highsec, so what if they were, and so what if some people want L4s moved out as well? So still no, there is nothing that really indicates that they're going to move L4s. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.15 21:28:00 - [5] Originally by: xavier69 I have though the years been **ed off at CCP for the stupid they do on a regular basis and taken 2-3 month breaks at a time. This however will be the straw that broke the camels back. ôWill beö? Again, you do realise that none of the sort is mentioned in the blog right? Quote: I will mission for 20-30m isk per mission in a ship worth 500 million, in low sec, CCP your out of your ing minds. Good news: you don't need a 500M ship to run missions in lowsec. Quote: Again Who the wants to sit and mine ice for 8-12 hours at a time while in low sec ? news flash NOBODY More good news: the point here isn't to do it in lowsec (and if you read the actual blog, rather than the OP's misinterpretation, you'll notice that there's no mention of removing it from higshec either). Quote:** If you want to force low sec ice mining They're not. If anything, they're going to force nullsec mining (but, as mentioned, not even that is what they say they're thinking of). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.16 03:41:00 - [6] Originally by: xavier69 Obviously I donÆt feel like getting rapzed by ganking azzholes 24/7 so I dont Yes? And? It's not like that happens ~~in low or nullsec~~ anywhere. Quote: I fly a rattlesnake with Max skills in it and do missions, if ccp dictates to me one more time how i will play there game ôOne more timeö? When did they do it the last time? And what makes you think they'll do it in the future? But more to the point that was being made: so? You still don't need a 500M ISK ship to run missions in lowsec. Quote: Sorry telling me how to play your mmo Good thing they're not doing that, then. Quote: 3 dolla marker board You keep bringing this one up. Why? What's wrong with white boards? They're pretty much unbeatable as group discussion tools. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.16 03:52:00 - [7] Originally by: xavier69 Level 4 missions in low sec = cancel sub forever àwhich they're not even discussing. Quote: i wont fly t1 trash with 45m sp due to gankers Ehmà why not? If there are lots of gankers around, a T1 ship will certainly be a good choice. You'd be surprised what "T1 trash" is capable of if you fit and fly it properlyà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.16 16:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Thorn Galen I don't care if this sandbox is just two inches deep and full of pizz (as mentioned in some other post), it's a sandbox and I am paying to play in it the way I want to play it, not the way you want me to play it. It's my time, my money, my entertainment, trying to force me to pvp is like trying to force me to watch a movie I do not like. àand here's the problem: it's a sandbox. Therefore you cannot avoid PvP. That's the whole point of the sandbox. It lets people do what they want with the tools available, including making you go pop, stealing your stuff, forcing you to do things you don't want to do, ripping you off, and generally make your life unpleasant. They will do this because you are doing the same to them, right now, whether you intend to or not. Everything you do in EVE affects everyone else in the game, and you do it in competition with other players. They don't like that, so chances are that they're going to try to beat you somehow. If you cannot find entertainment in this constant PvP that you are already engaged in, then it's very simple: EVE just isn't for you. There's no disdain or criticism in that ù it's like saying that you shouldn't play Civ if you don't like micro management. Originally by: The Pillar Wow. Read through every page and the amount of hyperbole and people completely missing the point will never stop amazing me. they need to make eve harder to filter the worst ones out. Hard to avoid when the OP is entirely based on hyperbole and missing the point. Quote: Lets go through some Proposals and Effects one by one without all the Frigging Hyperbole ~~lvl4 agent removal in HS~~ I thought you said ôwithout the hyperboleö? L4 removal isn't on the table, so there is no proposal or effect to discuss. Quote: ~~Remove meta items completely from empire~~ Not a proposal, no effect to discuss. What they're talking about isn't the Meta 1-4 crap; it's about Meta 6û14. In other words, no deadspace loot or elite-faction spawns in highsec. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.16 20:23:00 - [9] Originally by: saltrock0000 The only reason ccp are doing this is less ISK in game means more cash for them, more people unable to afford PLEX and in return driving the prices up and up. Eh, no. Less ISK in game means prices on everything go down, including the price of PLEX, and in the end, a PLEX buys you just as much as it does now, so people will buy them at the same volumes to feed their lifestyles.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.17 00:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Windjammer Megacyte, Zydrine and Morphite all come from null sec as does all the moon goo. Weeeellà granted, things have changed a bit since the reprocessing changes last year, but Megacyte and Zydrine had significant highsec sources ù Megacyte was particularly noteworthy, with some 40% of it coming from loot. It shouldn't be quite as high now, but it'll still be large enough that I'd call it somewhat erroneous to say that all the highends are nullsec-only. If nothing else simply due to the sheer amount of loot being created on a daily basis in all those highsec missions. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.17 01:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Windjammer Yes, Tippia, technically you are correct. Some small amount of the high end minerals come from recycled loot. But that's just it: it's not ôsome small amountö ù again, nearly 40% of the Megacyte used to come from loot. If I remember the recycling fix numbers somewhat correctly, that'll be down to maybe 25% ù that most definitely qualifies as a meaningful quantity. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.17 01:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Windjammer YouÆre telling me that 25% of all the Megacyte used in the game comes from recycled high sec mission loot? No offense, but IÆd appreciate a link to that info and if true it makes the whole ABC ore in WH debate silly by comparison. Like I said, the 25% is more a number I seem to recall from looking at the reprocessing revamp, but I can't find the thread where it was discussed. It was something along the lines of ôjust over half of what it was beforeö, and since it was 40% before that, just over half should land somewhere in the 25% region. And yes, the WH ore debate is silly for a number of reasons. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.19 05:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Kin Netics I refuse to be ** on when the pvp is obviously not fair. How is it not fair? Everyone has access to the exact same things. Quote: This is a care bear pvp game. It requires no skill. Certain fits with certain builds are guaranteed to win. Most of you have your heads so far up your asses you don't even understand how bs this is. No, most understand just fine that what you just said is BS. There are no guarantees. Quote:** It's like being lvl 80 and killing lvl 30's. No, because in those games, the lvl 30s can't hurt the lvl 80 ù in this game, they can. With ease. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

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