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Red In System Rufus Futterbuck's Cheesecake Factory	Posted - 2011.08.16 03:36:00 - [1] I'm going to put this to general populice for an unbiased opinion. Hypothetical Situation: I am an Alliance Director for a wormhole Alliance and we had a bit of a surge of new recruits come into our member corporations, one particular of whom begged to come into the wormhole relentlessly until a senior member brought him in. First, we know he wasn't a spy, my guys did a thorough background on him, however he was far to new to be living in a wormhole. After the new member came into the wormhole, we seiged another wormhole, evicting the former residents. While this took place, "New Guy" begged for a highsec out. We told him we could get him one out as soon as we cleaned up, and made our way back to the wormhole. Some of the members did get exits, however "New Guy" managed to be offline during those hours? After a few days of begging to get out, and us continuously telling him that he needed to be patient till someone in the wormhole could scout him out, the leadership became annoyed. *NOTE: On the day of the event about to be disclosed, we had an exit into Null, also possibly high/low however the chain went C5->C4->C5->C5 and so on... We told him that he would have to wait, since the only two guys in the wormhole logged on with him weren't going to collapse the hole, so he got :mad, bro: He raged and raged, we told him to chill, nope.. :he mad: So one of the guys, "Legion", and another guy, "Rook", flew to a bubble and typed in fleet, "wwwww for Highsec out". "New Guy" wwwarped right in with his Drake(that my guys fit out for his nub ass), and decided to provide a highsec. Were we: (A) Facilitating His Request (B) Mean (C) Whatever, TL;DR
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.08.16 03:42:00 - [2] Nahhh... if this person was as whiny as you say I would have pointed his ass and MADE him be patient... and if he continued to whine I'd facilitate with his request in the same manner. _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Johann King	Posted - 2011.08.16 03:43:00 - [3] ****! I HATE MULTIPLE CHOICE QUIZ
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.16 03:43:00 - [4] Yes. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Cherry Miranda	Posted - 2011.08.16 03:49:00 - [5] (D) Tell him to eject from is ship and pod him. Problem solved, he gets his highsec out.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.16 04:01:00 - [6] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 16/08/2011 04:01:41 Quote: First, we know he wasn't a spy, my guys did a thorough background on him, For a cool bil I'll teach you how to make a spy that you cant trace (without illegally hacking IP's). You will have to sign an NDA. I know its completely off topic, but I would hate to see you lose a hypothetical alliance to a spy. Its definitely the best kept secret in the game second only to why people sell machariels for below cost. I will never understand that. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Dub Step Minmatar Death To Everyone But Us	Posted - 2011.08.16 04:06:00 - [7] If you are going to accommodate a noob by letting them into your wormhole system you need to be more accommodating than you were, regardless of what a whiny moron he appears to be. Best course of action would have been to get him back out to nubland and then kick him from the corp since he obviously wasn't fitting in. But then looking at your corp name he probably did fit right in so I don't know
Vasentic Lyonesse. The Remnant Legion	Posted - 2011.08.16 06:02:00 - [8] F) Fuking stupid for letting a whiney ass noob into your corp.
Oberine Noriepa	Posted - 2011.08.16 06:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Cherry Miranda (D) Tell him to eject from is ship and pod him. Problem solved, he gets his highsec out. I probably would have done this. I can't tolerate whiny kids who lack patience.
Jon Obstergo Obstergo Tragedy.	Posted - 2011.08.16 18:33:00 - [10] Seems a bit on the brutal side, however, EvE is brutal and he did ask for a highsec, you hooked him up. So, (A) Facilitating His Request with a hint of (B) Mean. I would recommend you guys be a bit more selective and come up with safe guards to prevent that from happening again.

Arklan1 Dunedain Rangers	Posted - 2011.08.16 18:57:00 - [11] hahahaha. excellent. yea, a bit mean, but he earned it.
Roosterton Eternal Frontier	Posted - 2011.08.16 19:06:00 - [12] If he's as bad as you make him sound, no, you did the right thing. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three. Originally by: Tarminic OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
Pok Nibin Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.16 21:57:00 - [13] Seems like you didn't go very far at all. Please wait as this sig- nature finishes loading
The Lucent Ogre	Posted - 2011.08.16 22:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Originally by: Cherry Miranda (D) Tell him to eject from is ship and pod him. Problem solved, he gets his highsec out. I probably would have done this. I can't tolerate whiny kids who lack patience. You two seem to not understand that this was already done by said "legion" and "rook".
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.08.16 23:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Mr Kidd on 16/08/2011 23:48:09 I'm guessing he wanted out so bad because you guys were complete and utter a**holes. Edit: We've all had members who didn't want to be there, who didn't know what to do with themselves out there. Your member's whining was more to do with bringing him out there before he had the skills to cope with it. Obviously, he couldn't probe. What was he? A complete noob? The first thing I tell my recruits is, "Your first ship is a prober. T1/T2, doesn't matter. If you can't probe, you've no business being out here. So, his problem was really your failure to prepare him. W-space isn't like nullsec. If you can't find a way out and there's nothing you can do and you want to play the game, then you're F'ed. Most assuredly, it was your fault, not his.
Captain Hindsite	Posted - 2011.08.17 01:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Mr Kidd Edited by: Mr Kidd on 16/08/2011 23:48:09 I'm guessing he wanted out so bad because you guys were complete and utter a**holes. Edit: We've all had members who didn't want to be there, who didn't know what to do with themselves out there. Your member's whining was more to do with bringing him out there before he had the skills to cope with it. Obviously, he couldn't probe. What was he? A complete noob? The first thing I tell my recruits is, "Your first ship is a prober. T1/T2, doesn't matter. If you can't probe, you've no business being out here. So, his problem was really your failure to prepare him. W-space isn't like nullsec. If you can't find a way out and there's nothing you can do and you want to play the game, then you're F'ed. Most assuredly, it was your fault, not his. I understand your logic here, however - this is a video game, not a daycare center. Nobody has any reason whatsoever to tolerate some child's whining. In this particular case, this applies equally to the whining that was taking place both before and after these guys brought this tool out to w-space. Their response was, imho, appropriate in both cases.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.08.17 01:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Captain Hindsite Originally by: Mr Kidd Edited by: Mr Kidd on 16/08/2011 23:48:09 I'm guessing he wanted out so bad because you guys were complete and utter aholes. Edit: We've all had members who didn't want to be there, who didn't know what to do with themselves out there. Your member's whining was more to do with bringing him out there before he had the skills to cope with it. Obviously, he couldn't probe. What was he? A complete noob? The first thing I tell my recruits is, "Your first ship is a prober. T1/T2, doesn't matter. If you can't probe, you've no business being out here. So, his problem was really your failure to prepare him. W-space isn't like nullsec. If you can't find a way out and there's nothing you can do and you want to play the game, then you're F'ed. Most assuredly, it was your fault, not his. I understand your logic here, however - this is a video game, not a daycare center. Nobody has any reason whatsoever to tolerate some child's whining. In this particular case, this applies equally to the whining that was taking place both before and after these guys brought this tool out to w-space. Their response was, imho, appropriate in both cases. Oh that's rich. I dunno, but I think video games tend to attract children. I could be wrong? Yeah, now quote me the average age of the Eve player and then tell me what is the age restriction on the game. I agree that there are immature people out there due to their age or otherwise. They tend to display such immaturity with "give me now now now" behavior....I think that was displayed before he was allowed into the hole. Who's fault was that? There's. And then they allowed him in apparently without ensuring he had the proper tools. Who's fault was that? There's. So, regardless of his behavior, they made some mistakes. Then when their mistakes came back to haunt them they began eating their own children. Sounds like a bunch of aholes to me.
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.08.17 02:11:00 - [18] Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 17/08/2011 02:11:32 IMHO, he deserved this (and a kick from the corp, which I hope you delivered). You already tolerated him for too long. My policy is, if you're not happy in the corp, why the hell are you in the corp in the first place. ---
Rhinanna Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.08.17 02:44:00 - [19] Personally I would think it depends on the prologue: If it was explained to him that he was too low skill, needed to be able to do x, y and z before coming into the WH, but he still wanted to come, then this happened. Personally I would offer to find him a way out for all his ISK, when he accepted Pod him ;) If it wasn't explained to him, then yes it was mean. Your guy basically stranded him in a WH with no explaination and little knowledge of it. Thats all it comes down to really. When you take newbies into your corp, its part of your job to guide them. If you did this and he refused direction, its his fault. Also, why did a WH alliance accept a player without the skills to handle a WH? It doesn't really make sense there ;) -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag)
Azure Moonlight Atomic Core Industries and Science	Posted - 2011.08.17 04:24:00 - [20] You should have podded him on the first day if he actually was THAT annoying.

Bombzai	Posted - 2011.08.17 05:16:00 - [21] couple things come to mind: what were the terms of acceptance to the Corp? likely a development of minimum skills required to be functional in a wh, let alone useful? how long had they had to achieve those skills? a day/ week/ month? in the end you facilitated his request in the most expeditious manner available that allowed them access to a fresh ship at minimal harm to them and your corpmates. including the costs of said drake and implants. on the other hand, if you dragged the supernooby into a c5 string after being in Corp for a day and a half, then 'your bad' but you still got them out of the hole as above.
Obax Bannon Caldari Fidelis Technologies	Posted - 2011.08.17 08:58:00 - [22] Should have arranged for him to warp to a 'wormhole' that didnt exist. Tackled him there, popped and podded him, he's back in high sec nice and easy then.....could have even reimbursed him for the ship if you were feeling generous
Aamrr	Posted - 2011.08.17 10:07:00 - [23] Eve is brutal, nullsec is worse, and w-space is worse still. The idiot should have known what he was getting into, and brought the necessary resources to procure his own extraction. In the event that he was unable or unwilling to do so, you have two choices available: shut up or take the pod express. He didn't choose one, so you had to. Kudos.
Gurgeh Murat Minmatar Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.08.17 11:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Mr Kidd Your member's whining was more to do with bringing him out there before he had the skills to cope with it. Obviously, he couldn't probe. What was he? A complete noob? The first thing I tell my recruits is, "Your first ship is a prober. T1/T2, doesn't matter. If you can't probe, you've no business being out here. So, his problem was really your failure to prepare him. Whiny annoyance he might have been, but there should be !!!NOONE!!! in a WH who cant probe. He had no business in there, you had no business letting him in. Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.17 11:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 17/08/2011 02:11:32 IMHO, he deserved this (and a kick from the corp, which I hope you delivered). You already tolerated him for too long. My policy is, if you're not happy in the corp, why the hell are you in the corp in the first place. Yeah well, he was kinda trying that apparently, but for that he needed an exit, so I dont really understand this post. Anyway if you take it for truth what is in the first post I guess it was okay, but then I dont. Sounds at least as likely to me that he just asked when he logged in if someone had an exit, which wouldnt have been whining but common sense. Of course I wasnt there so both possibilities can be true, but taking the OP at his word sounda kinda stupid to me. Although tbh in any case if you accept someone in a WH corp without experience you also have imo a responsibility to help them with such stuff (and making sure indeed they can probe). Of course you dont have to do anything in eve, it is a sandbox afterall, but for me the tl;dr would be that you got a better chance of getting in a nice corp by paying that gentle goon in jita local the perfectly reasonable security deposit and contracting him all your stuff to be freightered to 0.0 than by joining your corp.
Spurty Caldari V0LTA VOLTA Corp	Posted - 2011.08.17 11:51:00 - [26] Podding some people is the only way to cool them off. Happy Birthday!
Lilith Ishanoya Lai Dai Shipments	Posted - 2011.08.17 12:08:00 - [27] Edited by: Lilith Ishanoya on 17/08/2011 12:09:37 Originally by: Mr Kidd The first thing I tell my recruits is, "Your first ship is a prober. T1/T2, doesn't matter. If you can't probe, you've no business being out here. So, his problem was really your failure to prepare him. W-space isn't like nullsec. If you can't find a way out and there's nothing you can do and you want to play the game, then you're F'ed. Most assuredly, it was your fault, not his. I have to agree with this, if you recruit for your WH corp you have to make sure your new members have some basic knowledge and understanding. If you then agree to take on newbies it's your responsibility to teach them proper probing, especially as a newbie won't be able to do anything on his own in WH space so if he at LEAST he can do some probing (and gain experience), relay the info and feel useful (whether or not his findings are actually really useful or not is not important) then he has a purpose there. Also, from what I took from the OP; it took several days, DAYS where a newbie can't do anything on his own and is just wasting his time, he has nothing to do, he needs new skills to inject and more of the like. DAYS where someone could have taken the effort to teach him probing. So while he may have been whining and annoying, it's your fault for taking someone in who lacks the base skills and then it's more your fault for letting him idle for days and not helping him ahead. __ Friendliness goes a long way
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.08.17 12:42:00 - [28] It sounds like you guys were A-holes - especially considering this is "your side" of the story. Its really easy to take a couple of minutes and scan out an exit for an anxious noob. Wherever you went - Here you are.
MrWhitei God Minmatar Heretic Army B A N E	Posted - 2011.08.17 12:49:00 - [29] i choose (A) :goodjob: Altho you might have been able to get a song out of him for the exit.
Tribunia	Posted - 2011.08.17 12:55:00 - [30] Originally by: Red In System Were we: ... Why do you come on the forums with this *******s. If you re not a totall asstard troll you should go see someone about your condition. It seems unhealthy.



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