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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.17 14:56:00 -
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CCP plants spais in corps/alliances to watch people privy to sensitive information. 
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.17 15:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Cearain
Originally by: CCP Xhagen
.... And the CSM is adamant on upholding the NDA - on numerous occasions they contact us before posting just to make sure that they are not revealing anything....
...But I think you perhaps misunderstand why people run for the CSM. It is not to get information on what is coming to EVE and potentially gain from it, it is to make EVE better for all parties. ....
Thanks for the response. But this is very little help. You say you monitor them, but they can talk out of game. Plus many things would be *very* hard to identify as a specific fraud. I realize one csm in the past got drunk and purchased billions of isk worth of something. That was a pretty blatant misuse of information. But not everyone will be so obvious.
@ the first quoted sentence: The fact that CSM is adamant in keeping what they know from the rest of the players is actually not helpful to this particular concern. Sure they want to be the only ones with information. That is how they get the advantage. If they publicly released what they knew they would blow any advantage they had.
@ the second quoted sentence: You know mittani explicitly said he isn't there to make the game better for all players, just those who elected him. Goons. Although I will agree Mittani is generally not to be trusted, I think I believe him on this. He has said numerous times he doesn't care about many different groups opinions. So I think you may misunderstand why people are running for csm.
I am not reassured that you get along so well with certain people who I don't trust a bit. And it seems ccp is specifically marketing eve to people who would like to put up false pretenses in order to cheat others. So I'm not sure csm is a good match for the game.
The csm has very little influence on what ccp ultimately decides to do, it's just a pr thing, really nothing more than a way to shut the whiners up when things get too loud.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain
Originally by: Barakkus
The csm has very little influence on what ccp ultimately decides to do, it's just a pr thing, really nothing more than a way to shut the whiners up when things get too loud.
The issue is not that csm can sway ccp. (although since csm has such a limitted effect there isn't much to counterbalance giving certain players better information about future game mechanics)
The problem is that they know more about what ccp is going to do and can plan accordingly.
I was commenting on this part:
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@ the second quoted sentence: You know mittani explicitly said he isn't there to make the game better for all players, just those who elected him. Goons. Although I will agree Mittani is generally not to be trusted, I think I believe him on this. He has said numerous times he doesn't care about many different groups opinions. So I think you may misunderstand why people are running for csm.
Mittani is about as useful for making eve better for goons as a wet paper bag would be.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:15:00 -
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You do realize most MMOs have almost the exact same setup with a player focus group that CCP does with the CSM right? Except usually they don't make it a public thing and it's rather informal, but still covered by an NDA.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.17 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain
There is a difference between *asking* a set of players what they think about this or that idea, and *telling* them what will or won't be included in the next expansion. The difference is one is asking questions the other is giving information.
CCP can *ask* players about all sorts of things. I don't have any issue with that. There is no need for a nda.
And as far as my asking for 100% guarantee you keep ignoring my point.
I am just suggesting that the advantages of giving csm nda type information (which no one has yet offered something csm accomplished thanks to getting nda info) do not outweigh the many negatives I list. E.g., likelyhood that that information will be abused, make the communication between csm and players more opaque etc.
I assume you've never been in a closed beta before for an MMO. There's a buttload you get to find out well in advance of even the regular beta testers that come in later on. I ended up getting in on every EverQuest 2 expansion up until the last two they put out, well before the regular beta test crowd gets in. Lots of NDA stuff to deal with, and usually 6 or 7 months in advance of release date. It's common practice...CCP probably keep a better eye on their NDA people than most companies do. There is very little to be concerned with about the CSM or whatever as a player honestly. It's not like this is secret stuff that will never hit the game like some secret government weapon or whatever...
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