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Sidquol Alland
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Posted - 2011.08.19 00:12:00 -
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Forgive my ignorance. I'm a noob who has only been playing the game a month and a half or so.
Of all the T3 cruisers, why is it that the Tengu seems to be the most favored? All I hear talk about is Tengu this, and Tengu that. They are also the most frequent of the T3 ships I see while playing. Very rarely I will see a Loki or Proteus. I have yet to come across a player flying a Legion. Granted, that's my personal experience and anecdotal.
Still though, even on forums when T3 cruisers are discussed, it seems like Tengu is the only game in town. Why is that? Is it really so much more powerful than the other T3 ships? Do the other ones need to be buffed?
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Xyrdiana
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Posted - 2011.08.19 00:39:00 -
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Pretty simple: Tengu is the king of cruiser PVE
why? simple: it uses Heavy missiles which most carebears used to use in their drakes and are quite easy to train. Heavy missiles with the damage and fire rate the tengu provides give it an awesome dps and the amazing shield tank it can fit makes it perfect for mission running and plexing.
it can PvP quite good as well but mostly in pairs (see 100mn afterburner tengus), with their small signatures, great dps, adabtability (there are dozends of different fits for it) and sturdy tank it can kill pretty much anything it encounters. (hint as long as it has cap that is)
granted that Lokis and Proteuses are good in pvp, they cant pve for ****, no kidding try to do missions in a proteus and you'll see yourself uninstalling eve, loki is somewhat better but still....
the legion is the worst T3 cruiser sadly, it looks awesome but for pretty much anything it can do there are speciallised ships which do it better  it can work but... it'll be subpar to anything else
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Camden Sine
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Posted - 2011.08.19 00:44:00 -
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Why does the Tengu get so much love?
3.8 volley time. 'nuff said.
[with a faction booster, like 800 DPS tank or something like that. Loki can do missions too, and the Proteus can tank them, but Tengu > them all at PVE. ]
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.08.19 01:34:00 -
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Edited by: Mfume Apocal on 19/08/2011 01:37:28
 Originally by: Sidquol Alland
Still though, even on forums when T3 cruisers are discussed, it seems like Tengu is the only game in town. Why is that? Is it really so much more powerful than the other T3 ships? Do the other ones need to be buffed?
Damage projection and superior tank (active or buffer).
The Loki is, in my experience good for PvP and could use a few buffs: give the arty sub a 50m3 dronebay and 25m3 bandwidth, the AC sub 50m3 of bandwidth, give the Phoon sub 100m3 of dronebay (1 med, 2 light flights) and a slight RoF increase for both projos and missiles and have the web sub give an additional mid rather than taking one away.
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grumpyguts1
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Posted - 2011.08.19 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Camden Sine
[with a faction booster, like 800 DPS tank or something like that. Loki can do missions too, and the Proteus can tank them, but Tengu > them all at PVE. ]
Nothing like that. Pithum A type medium shield booster, 2 x CN invulns and some other faction fits to close the holes.. you get over 2000DPS tank with omni resists of over 85% with over 600 DPS damage with scourge fury that will do full damage at over 80km.
So nothing special 
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Nezumiiro Noneko
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Posted - 2011.08.19 01:56:00 -
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tengu for pve is a stacked deck.
All the above with tank and such plus.....
kick ass damage projection. Pick what you like more. Its focused damaged, one missile 1 damage. Motivated to fire explosive at angels...missile for that (minny ammo split for this, or jsut lacking in others ammo). Or if lazy, jsut scourge it with the kinetic bonus. Nice bonus even for non kinetic weak rats.
Or...
no optimal or falloff games. High skill, subs....tengu puts out the same dps at 100km's as it does at 10 km's. You like kiting to offset damage (recommened if not going bling bling pimp tank)...kite as far as you can fire. Unlike lego or loki...limited by your gun/ammo combo range.
Its pve on easy mode. Not to say the others suck...its jsut added pita. room drops you at 100km;s from rats....off you go to meet them. Tengu if lazy....drop a can, orbit it and start plinking away and they come to you lol.
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Camden Sine
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Posted - 2011.08.19 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: grumpyguts1
Originally by: Camden Sine
[with a faction booster, like 800 DPS tank or something like that. Loki can do missions too, and the Proteus can tank them, but Tengu > them all at PVE. ]
Nothing like that. Pithum A type medium shield booster, 2 x CN invulns and some other faction fits to close the holes.. you get over 2000DPS tank with omni resists of over 85% with over 600 DPS damage with scourge fury that will do full damage at over 80km.
So nothing special
If you want to dump 2 billion into a Tengu, then you'll get what you pay for.
I'm just talking budget tengu because I'm not flithy rich like most forum goers.
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Nezumiiro Noneko
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Posted - 2011.08.19 02:30:00 -
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t2 tengu works fine....
you'll want some CN BCU for the damage at some point. Also splurge for a faction AB. The RF 10mn is liked..and cheaper than the DS stuff. Speed will be a big part of your tank...more the better.
T2 tank...like I said...kite to kill frigs and cruisers while out of rat BS optimals. especially if said rats scram/web. DS/faction tank...yeah you can sit still on the pith gear lol.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.19 04:56:00 -
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For Pve,
The HML Tengu has the missile firepower of a CNR with cruise missile like range and using a small pith-b shield booster, has an active tank that puts most battleships to shame. All on a nimble cruiser.
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Tasiv Deka
Amarr
The Baseborn Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.08.19 06:20:00 -
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All of the above and IT TOTALLY HAS A FACE atleast i see one in a couple of subsystems
Yea I listen to Lady Gaga while playing EVE it makes everything seem more I dont know epic |
Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.08.19 06:20:00 -
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Honestly, the Tengu is really not that good. It shines for exploration work, where a battleship's lack of agility becomes a liability, but there's really nothing in high security space that another ship couldn't do better.
Personally, I blame the legions of terribad Caldari pilots clinging to their delusion that the CNR is or was ever the king of PvE, and then seeing a T3 come along and perform competitively.
Now, if you're talking about PvP, then that's an entirely different matter. The combination of afterburner bonus, small signature radius, T3 resists, and logistic support turns these ships into something as close to invulnerable as subcapitals get. For more information, see "Thundercats."
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.08.19 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Xyrdiana
Pretty simple: Tengu is the king of cruiser PVE and PvP ...
You missed a spot so fixed it for you.
BS size tank, BS range weaponry, Tier2BC/BS damage and Cruiser signature/speed. Nothing even comes close to the performance of the rat-muncher, least of all any of the other T3's.
Fit it with an oversized AB + acquire Loki boost = Hilarity.
In short: Expect a nerf SoonÖ (read: anywhere from 18mo to never) to either subsystems or heavy missiles.
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Chimera Ur
Nibado Inc
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Posted - 2011.08.19 08:45:00 -
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Just curious; how does the Tengu compare to the Machariel in mission clearing speed? I'm currently training towards the Mach (Gallente pilot who's bored with his Dominix so I have a lot of shield-training to do) because it's good at what I am currently doing (missions) want to do (incursions) and also gives me a skillset I can use at PvP (flying a cane). However, I keep hearing so much good stuff about the Tengu. Too bad I can't try them beforehand :)
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CyberRaver
Wildly Inappropriate
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Posted - 2011.08.19 08:47:00 -
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Depends what your doing in reality, if you happen to be doign amarr missions or sansha rats then the legion is utterly amazing, also for the incursions where you can make full use of lasers
Legion pilot here btw
I was regularly soloing sanctums and other high level anoms with nothing other then a t2 fit legion, purely due to its easy of use and ability to splatter frigs at 40km with scorch with 1 shot
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Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
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Posted - 2011.08.19 09:05:00 -
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I prefer to use a Legion because I can carry almost infinate ammo and ninja rat in 0.0 for as long as I want to.
This is a case of "the right tool for the right job".
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
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Posted - 2011.08.19 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: grumpyguts1
Nothing like that. Pithum A type medium shield booster, 2 x CN invulns and some other faction fits to close the holes.. you get over 2000DPS tank with omni resists of over 85% with over 600 DPS damage with scourge fury that will do full damage at over 80km.
And it only costs 3 billion isk.
Guess what - put those same modules on a Drake, and it's EVEN BETTER than the Tengu. Put them on a Nighthawk and RAWR!!!
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Funk Doobiest
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Posted - 2011.08.20 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Camden Sine
3.8 volley time. 'nuff said.
3.42 second volley here :) love it
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.08.20 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
The combination of afterburner bonus, small signature radius, T3 resists, and logistic support turns these ships into something as close to invulnerable as subcapitals get. For more information, see "Thundercats."
lol
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.08.20 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: Aamrr on 20/08/2011 05:57:49
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: grumpyguts1
Nothing like that. Pithum A type medium shield booster, 2 x CN invulns and some other faction fits to close the holes.. you get over 2000DPS tank with omni resists of over 85% with over 600 DPS damage with scourge fury that will do full damage at over 80km.
And it only costs 3 billion isk.
Guess what - put those same modules on a Drake, and it's EVEN BETTER than the Tengu. Put them on a Nighthawk and RAWR!!!
The Drake or Nighthawk won't be better, no, but they'll still be ridiculously strong. This particular phenomenon has less to do with how awesome the Tengu is, and more to do with how ridiculously overpowered deadspace shield equipment is.
Try to do the same thing with an armor tanker (such as a Legion or Proteus). Sure, you can get a nice buffer tank out of them, but the 2000 DPS active tank? Not happening.
Originally by: Hatsumi Kobayashi
Originally by: Aamrr
The combination of afterburner bonus, small signature radius, T3 resists, and logistic support turns these ships into something as close to invulnerable as subcapitals get. For more information, see "Thundercats."
lol
What? It's a nice strategy. There are counters, like anything else, but you guys execute it well. Kudos. 
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Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
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Posted - 2011.08.20 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sidquol Alland
Forgive my ignorance. I'm a noob who has only been playing the game a month and a half or so.
Of all the T3 cruisers, why is it that the Tengu seems to be the most favored? All I hear talk about is Tengu this, and Tengu that. They are also the most frequent of the T3 ships I see while playing. Very rarely I will see a Loki or Proteus. I have yet to come across a player flying a Legion. Granted, that's my personal experience and anecdotal.
Still though, even on forums when T3 cruisers are discussed, it seems like Tengu is the only game in town. Why is that? Is it really so much more powerful than the other T3 ships? Do the other ones need to be buffed?
That's because deadspace shield boosters are much more overpowered than deadspace armor reps. On my tengu, I boost 203 or so shield HP every 2 seconds for only 18 cap. No armor rep come close to even half that efficiency.
Also because faction invul field >> faction EANM.
Last but not least, heavy missiles have a huge range.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.08.20 06:15:00 -
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You know, the weird thing is that I'm not sure whether shield boosters are overpowered or armor reps are underpowered. I'd honestly be more keen on buffing armor repairers than nerfing shield boosters.
I'd probably still leave the armor repairers slightly worse, but the the difference right now is a bit ridiculous, even if you ignore the absence of extra large armor repairers.
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.08.20 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
You know, the weird thing is that I'm not sure whether shield boosters are overpowered or armor reps are underpowered. I'd honestly be more keen on buffing armor repairers than nerfing shield boosters.
I'd probably still leave the armor repairers slightly worse, but the the difference right now is a bit ridiculous, even if you ignore the absence of extra large armor repairers.
WTB XLSE and shield HP boosting implant set.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.08.20 07:24:00 -
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Edited by: Aamrr on 20/08/2011 07:26:36
- Armor tankers have 1600 plates, yes, but shield tankers have X-large shield boosters.
- Shield tankers lack X-large Shield Extenders, but armor tankers lack X-large armor repairers.
- Armor tankers have slave implants, but shield tankers have crystal implants.
- Armor tankers lack active omni-resist hardeners, shield tankers lack passive omni-resist hardeners.
- Shield tankers have absurdly efficient and easy to fit deadspace shield boosters, armor tankers have...moderately effective deadspace armor repairers that can't hold a candle to their shield counterparts.
There was a tit for tat going on before the fifth bullet point. See if you can find where it broke down.
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.08.20 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
There was a tit for tat going on before the last bullet point. See if you can find out why it broke down.
CCP doesn't want active armor tanking to be as easy or efficient as shield tanking?
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.08.20 08:23:00 -
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Then why nerf the deadspace active tanking modules so much more heavily? T2 active armor tanking is inferior to shields already, but it's at least feasible. It's only really when you look at modules higher than T2 quality that things get ridiculous.
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Songbird
Gallente
T.I.E. Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.20 09:17:00 -
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You forgot 1 point :
- Remote armor reps rep at the end of the cycle, remote shield transfers do so at the beginning.
In essence if you're using t1 reppers with no fleet boosts deactivating a remote armor rep from 1 ship and repping another might take as much as 10 seconds, while in the shield version it shouldn't take more than 5. So in essence shield ships need less buffer because they get repped earlier
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.08.20 09:27:00 -
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Considering that I've been arguing for a buff to high-end armor repairers and you just provided a point for why shield tanking is advantageous, I'm not exactly seeing a hole in my argument.
If you want to continue arguing my point, feel free.
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.08.20 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hatsumi Kobayashi
Originally by: Aamrr
The combination of afterburner bonus, small signature radius, T3 resists, and logistic support turns these ships into something as close to invulnerable as subcapitals get. For more information, see "Thundercats."
lol
Invulernable?
Someone's been huffing glue.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=423&view=losses&scl_id=40
Dunno man, that's alot of dead thundercats.
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Exploited Engineer
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Posted - 2011.08.20 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic
Invulernable?
Someone's been huffing glue.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=423&view=losses&scl_id=40
Dunno man, that's alot of dead thundercats.
It's not the fault of the ship when the problem is behind the controls.
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.08.20 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Exploited Engineer
Originally by: Jack Tronic
Invulernable?
Someone's been huffing glue.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=423&view=losses&scl_id=40
Dunno man, that's alot of dead thundercats.
It's not the fault of the ship when the problem is behind the controls.
It's really hard to sig tank or speed tank at long range agaisn't a gang of maelstroms as transversal means NOTHING at long range. At short range they will have to move in which is where the recon blob kicks in and ****s em as well.
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Mara Abraham
Minmatar
Faction Warriors 411
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Posted - 2011.08.20 17:45:00 -
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Greetings:
http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=232688 -- only in a Tengu.
I've yet to see any other T3 come close.
Is the Tengu op?
Thank you.
--- Mara Abraham
* http://www.factionalwarfare.info
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Sluzzytimes
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Posted - 2011.08.20 18:38:00 -
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Everyone seemed to forget the most important point of all.
The tengu is the sexiest Tech 3. Thats what makes it OP!!
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Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.08.20 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Muad ''dib on 20/08/2011 18:43:57
they are the ****
and btw mara, mystical might had about 25 ships in total to deal with, so 7-8 ships escaped.
Meep Meep!
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Sluzzytimes
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Posted - 2011.08.20 18:42:00 -
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Oh and, the tengu is one of the few shining lights that make alot of people keep playing eve. It makes many not cancel their subs.
Doubt ccp will nerf it!
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Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.08.20 18:48:00 -
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@ Mara: That's like saying the Cynabal is overpowered because it can take on a gang and survive (See Related Link).
It's not so much the fit that allows certain ships to face a blob and survive. It's how people fly the ship that matters. I'm not boasting. I'm just responding to the link you've brought up. ;P
ArtyBal
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Leela Starkweather
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Posted - 2011.08.20 18:52:00 -
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+1 to this topic for the simple reason min fw have to use an amarr fw pilot to prove awesomeness. Shame they can't just use their own pilots. Oh wai...
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Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.08.20 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Leela Starkweather
+1 to this topic for the simple reason min fw have to use an amarr fw pilot to prove awesomeness. Shame they can't just use their own pilots. Oh wai...
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CaptainFalcon07
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Posted - 2011.08.20 19:05:00 -
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To be fair the tengu is not overpowered as people say. It is the best for PVE with over 800 dps at 100km and able to tank 500+ dps with a deadspace small shield booster and tech 2 hardeners.
But when you try to fit it for PVP it has some limitations:
1. It's powergrid is lacking so you need to use the powercore subsystem which reduces you to only having 5 launchers. You can try using reactor controls and other mods to increase grid for you to have 6 launchers, but that gimps your ship entirely. Using Heavy assault launchers eat away your grid even more, leaving Heavy Launchers to use.
2. Naturally shield buffer is weaker than armor buffer and compounded with that fact that there are no implants to increase hp like slaves do for armor. The tengu's passive buffer tank will be on the lower End for the T3 class. The Tengu like many other shield ships is not fit for brawling.
3. The tengu have little means of actually defeating well piloted frigates since it's main weapon sub has no drones.
What the tengu excels at is an active tank kiting role, the tengu is second to none in this category.
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.08.20 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Mfume Apocal on 20/08/2011 23:59:24
Originally by: Mystical Might
This forum needs a smug emote so badly right now...
At any rate, that fleet Mystical soloed was pretty damned bad. ABing, no neut curse, jesus ****, what the ****? I'm not saying the Tengu isn't head and shoulders above other T3s, but damn that's a bad example.
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Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.08.21 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mfume Apocal
Edited by: Mfume Apocal on 20/08/2011 23:59:24
Originally by: Mystical Might
This forum needs a smug emote so badly right now...
At any rate, that fleet Mystical soloed was pretty damned bad. ABing, no neut curse, jesus ****, what the ****? I'm not saying the Tengu isn't head and shoulders above other T3s, but damn that's a bad example.
A Smug Face would be a big plus right now.  .
On a side note, I think mara chose the battlereport because of the number of people that died in the fight, out of the gang that they had. I've had success with the tengu in other 1vsGangs, (Much Smaller Fight, Granted,) but the overall performance of the tengu is still awesome.
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Mara Abraham
Minmatar
Faction Warriors 411
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Posted - 2011.08.21 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Mara Abraham on 21/08/2011 21:28:52
Good day:
I picked that particular report for three reasons:
- I respect Mystical Might as a combat pilot; he is mystically good.
- 24/25 vs. one with 14 dying and the one living (at least to me) shows the Tengu as an op ship
- I don't believe any of the other T3's, even if piloted by Mystical Might, could have had the same performance
Thank you.
--- Mara Abraham
* http://www.factionalwarfare.info
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Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.08.21 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Muad ''dib on 21/08/2011 21:38:48
He flys a very specific fit for taking out exactly gangs like that, thats not overpowered that is EXACLTLY what the strategic cruiser is about, being focused on a specific outcome to a specific gang type.
What he did there could have been done by a prot, loki or even legion had they been setup as specificly as he was.
If i had been with mysty at the time they would have all died.
Its not the tengus fault and seriously leave it alone its the only excellent pvp ship the caldari's have.
Meep Meep!
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Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.08.21 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Mystical Might on 21/08/2011 21:49:03
I'm going to go with the "Tengu Isn't OP" Arguement.
I say this because counters for the tengu aren't few and far between. It just depends on the pilots.
There's nothing game breaking about the tengu.
For Player Vs CCPRatsOfFail, anything is good there. I guess the tengu is liked due to the small signature, the small shield booster set up and the fact that it can hit for full damage over a wide range of the rats (Unlike, for example, a torp golem. Have fun hitting a frigate for full damage brah.)
Edit: Ohbtw, Posting in a Mystical Might FanBoi Thread.
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pussnheels
Amarr
Vintage heavy industries
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Posted - 2011.08.22 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Xyrdiana
the legion is the worst T3 cruiser sadly, it looks awesome but for pretty much anything it can do there are speciallised ships which do it better it can work but... it'll be subpar to anything else
Umm i think you have a different opinion about the legion , in my opinion a legion performs almost as good as a tengu, with the added bonus that it works both in missile configiration ( hamlegion) as in a pulse laser (pulselegion) config,only difference is range ; 80 k+ for a tengu and 40k+ with a legion using pulse lasers.but with a decent tank that shouldn't matter
granted if you want a neuter go for a curse if you want a pulse lazer sniper go for a zealot , those ships are specialized in what they do and alot cheaper, but the fact that you can optimise the ship for the mission, be it pvp, pve etc etc... makes the legion just as good as the tengu and just as vulnerable to web scram combo s
Besides the legion sex appeal so much higher than the tengu that it hurts
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Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
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Posted - 2011.08.22 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: pussnheels
Originally by: Xyrdiana
the legion is the worst T3 cruiser sadly, it looks awesome but for pretty much anything it can do there are speciallised ships which do it better it can work but... it'll be subpar to anything else
Umm i think you have a different opinion about the legion , in my opinion a legion performs almost as good as a tengu, with the added bonus that it works both in missile configiration ( hamlegion) as in a pulse laser (pulselegion) config,only difference is range ; 80 k+ for a tengu and 40k+ with a legion using pulse lasers.but with a decent tank that shouldn't matter
granted if you want a neuter go for a curse if you want a pulse lazer sniper go for a zealot , those ships are specialized in what they do and alot cheaper, but the fact that you can optimise the ship for the mission, be it pvp, pve etc etc... makes the legion just as good as the tengu and just as vulnerable to web scram combo s
Besides the legion sex appeal so much higher than the tengu that it hurts
Me too - I prefer the Legion. For use I put my Legion to, it's the best ship to use:
I ninja rat in 0.0. For this I use the interdiction nullifier, covert ops module, the sexy looking probe launcher module, the armor repairer boost module, and a cap boost module (can't remember which of the two).
With this combination of modules, the Legion has the best tank by far and the joint highest gank (with the proteus). You can also carry almost infinate ammo.
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North Ra
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Posted - 2011.08.23 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: North Ra on 23/08/2011 14:47:45
Hi guys,
I'm sort of new. I used to play 4 years ago (back before you could even overheat your weapons) and have recently come back.
I noticed a lot of people talking here how the t3s arent really balanced between the four. My questions is, be that statement true or not, how good has CCP been with balancing this sort of stuff in the past?
My character isnt a complete noob (just got into a nightmare, but i still feel like one), so I'm a long way from a t3. Am I wasting my time holding my breath for the Legion to become better or should I forget the idea of flying one and tech up to something else?
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CyberRaver
Wildly Inappropriate
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Posted - 2011.08.23 16:12:00 -
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The legion is fine, and i mean TOTALLY fine
The reason there is so much perceived awesomeness on the others is that look at the cruiser line ups BEFORE the t3
Caldari hacs were awful = Tengu is awesome
Gallente Hacs were 50% awful = Wow proteus a working drone + blaster boat
Minmitar hacs were high speed low tank = Loki omg speedy and good tank
This is where the difference starts, the Zealot is awesome, and the other one is super tanky, also the recons for amarr are borderline OP with a single curse on the field some gangs wont go near you
The legion does its job perfectly, Its a decent tanky high dps boat, its versatile and awesome
Its just not much of an upgrade over its lower tech cruiser hulls
The others ARE
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North Ra
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Posted - 2011.08.23 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: CyberRaver
The legion is fine, and i mean TOTALLY fine
The reason there is so much perceived awesomeness on the others is that look at the cruiser line ups BEFORE the t3
Caldari hacs were awful = Tengu is awesome
Gallente Hacs were 50% awful = Wow proteus a working drone + blaster boat
Minmitar hacs were high speed low tank = Loki omg speedy and good tank
This is where the difference starts, the Zealot is awesome, and the other one is super tanky, also the recons for amarr are borderline OP with a single curse on the field some gangs wont go near you
The legion does its job perfectly, Its a decent tanky high dps boat, its versatile and awesome
Its just not much of an upgrade over its lower tech cruiser hulls
The others ARE
thanks a lot!
I'm trying to think of how to ask this, without sounding like a ****. I mean, you didnt answer my question, so how well does CCP address balance issues? (i guess this counts as high-jacking the thread)
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.08.23 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: North Ra
so how well does CCP address balance issues? (i guess this counts as high-jacking the thread)
They don't.
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Jegsar Omega
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Posted - 2011.08.23 23:41:00 -
[50]
for everyone that is defending the tengu's over poweredness then tell me. How do I kill one assuming both players are on the same skill level (IRL) and it is a 1v1 fight...
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.08.23 23:45:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Aamrr on 23/08/2011 23:46:02
Another Tengu? Bhaalgorn could probably do the job as well.
Edit: Or a vindicator, if you're able to get into range.
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.08.24 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jegsar Omega
How do I kill one assuming both players are on the same skill level (IRL) and it is a 1v1 fight...
Hurricane, dual medium neuts, 425s, 3x gyros and EMP in, get right on top of him, overload the guns and press F1.
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Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
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Posted - 2011.08.24 23:06:00 -
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This is a great list, the devs will know just what to nerf 
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Daniel Plain
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Posted - 2011.08.24 23:37:00 -
[54]
just out of curiosity, how would you rank the effectiveness of the t3 ships in wormhole pve?
my ranking would be something like:
tengu 10/10
legion 9.5/10
loki 8/10
proteus 6/10
drake 5/10
hurricane 4/10
pod 0/10
does anyone have major corrections?
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fgft Athonille
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Posted - 2011.08.25 02:49:00 -
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for slaughtering ivy league, take a gander at those fits.  anything with active tank and ganglink support could have blown them up
but yes tengu is basically the only choice for t3s unless you want tanky weby with loki. nothing else is viable compared to the tengu.
Originally by: Skippermonkey
keep trying and you can be an hero just like fgft Athonille
Originally by: Singeaboot Raj
Tbh i am beginning to see the win - it's the haircut, makes people take notice.
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pussnheels
Amarr
Vintage heavy industries
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Posted - 2011.08.25 06:53:00 -
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the question are t3 cruisers overpowered ,I don't think so , losing one is a big isk loss and i don t think there are many people who can afford losing a t3 repeatatly in pvp
in pve ..?? dedicated battleships and marauders can do mission faster than a t3 unless you are blitzing missions ratting , great ships but see price tag a bc can rats belt rats just as fine for a tenth of the price a t3 cost
So yes they are powerfull ships as intended but they sure have their weakness, they pretty vulnerable to webs since most of them rely for a large part on their speed for their tank especially the tengu
i already flown 3 of the 4 t3 on 3 differnt accounts of mine and the only one i still have to try out is the loki , that will be the next training plan for this character , i am looking forward to it
But overpowered , naah price tag and some damn good pvp players takes care of that
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Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.08.25 16:17:00 -
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"why is everyone always wanting the tengu!?"
Cos itsa BAD MAN SHIP, yer get me??!
Meep Meep!
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