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Operator XIII
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Posted - 2011.08.19 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Esan Vartesa <evil genius market tomfoolery>
I just CTRL+C CTRL+V your master plan... what now?
Revealing details of their schemes... villains will never learn.
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Esan Vartesa
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.08.19 19:52:00 -
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Now we wait...
Mwhahahahahaha...... *cough*
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Scout1111
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Posted - 2011.08.19 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Operator XIII OK.....................................
So I can see that no one has an answer to this......
Blind.
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Operator XIII
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Posted - 2011.08.19 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Scout1111
Originally by: Operator XIII OK.....................................
So I can see that no one has an answer to this......
Blind.
I know... you'd think, right?
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El Geo
Group 2
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Posted - 2011.08.20 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Scout1111 Isk laundering.
this |
Arch Ange1
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Posted - 2011.08.20 22:56:00 -
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Isk Laundering.
i.e, RMT seller buys those loot above npc sell orders and trades them to his client for real cash. client can sell them back to npc orders getting his isk. This is more legal than transfering isk directly i suppose.
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Cassina Lemour
Minmatar Staner Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.21 09:19:00 -
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Paranoia reigns supreme in the fact of overwhelming evidence.
Is it any wonder EVE is going to **** with so many morons around willing to share their ignorance.
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Xai Li Shun
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Posted - 2011.08.21 16:28:00 -
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To be fair, they're people looking for logical answers to why someone is doing something.
lolplay is, by its own nature, incredibly non-logical and nonsensical.
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.08.21 20:02:00 -
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I like this sort of question and while many posters haze people asking them props to you for being persistent ! I like to understand things too. After reading the thread I'll augment a couple and ad a third.
1: speculation - FREE "PUT" warrant. in this game, unlike the real world so many opportunities exist to buy things that have huge upsides and virtually no downsides, that people can make isk in far outscaled ways. The end of NPC buy orders on something like this would have some warning. Insurance scams , recyling of comps down to components.. the big pi npc order change were a few. HOwever _ the change seems like a long shot
2: Role play ? huh? wow.. very interesting to learn about as I don't read those sorts of forums. well worth asking the question just to learn that it could be plausable. I doubt it though... I would look at the pattern of where the orders were placed to understand that better and I could be wrong.
3: Market Intelligence : ! I know that I have learned an extrodinary amount about player activitiy from regional buy orders. You get to see the players names, times of sale, and of course location. (people could take the time to obscure that with alts and movement but few have a purpose to) . This could be useful in finding pvp targets, and also useful in discovering systems where a depot of high priced specialized items could be sold > I DO Not understand the worm-hole static spawn dynamics well enough to get whether that is even close to plausible ... as the wh outlets change.. but still I could see where the closes place things are being dumped might point to a high end wh near by
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.08.21 22:38:00 -
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all wrong.
When an NPC buy order is filled, the price rise's by .01 isk
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El Geo
Group 2
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Posted - 2011.08.21 22:52:00 -
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the recent report by 'actors' has nothing to do with the buy orders in jita for said items since wh space was implemented, in fact it wasnt even the actors that bought them, it was the npc buy orders placed by research corps like zainou etc - sure someone might have collected a few but not in the quantities that are bought for 0.1 isk over what the item is worth and jerry, the sleeper components there dont increase or decrease at all. |
Anya Ohaya
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Posted - 2011.08.21 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge all wrong.
When an NPC buy order is filled, the price rise's by .01 isk
When I have filled NPC buy orders I have seen the price go up, down, or the order vanish entirely. But I haven't seen NPC buy orders for sleeper components (or overseer effects) ever change.
NPC buy orders are also easy to spot, since they have a 364 day duration.
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.08.22 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: El Geo ..... and jerry, the sleeper components there dont increase or decrease at all.
just to step in on that point.
The supply of those components is infinite in one sense (just takes key strokes or an algorith causing a spawn on a ship kill).
...but on the sense I think that was meant "number of components in players hands" preventing the components from being sold to npc's does effectively prevent them from being taken from the game (they aren't held by those npc's in some sort of escrow account or hangar). That effectively does increase the number of sleeper components in game by turning off a sink even as the faucets remain flowing the same.
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2011.08.22 05:05:00 -
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It may be RMT, or possibly nothing quite so complex. I used to love sleeper salvage and tags as it was a way of buffering my cash flow and storing isk in another equally liquid form. The problem was as a trader I would be blind of all the isk locked up in assets, as it was an investment and was "going to" make isk for me. If I tried to store wealth in isk I would always spend it during normal daily trading activities. It only took a few days.. Each time I made an effort to get extra isk I would find trade opportunities and spend the whole lot instead of doing something bigger and with better returns. In eve it takes far longer to transfer assets to isk, than it does to find investment opportunities for that isk.
I never purchased Sleeper loot above the NPC buy price. However should I have decided to it so it would have still been a good investment strategy for me. It would have enabled me to earn excellent returns latter on when they where sold en-masse to get instant funding. It was more something I used as a way of keeping the isk out of my trading balances and off my radar. I did the same with Tags that could be sold to NPC's.
So basically it was a forced way of saving when I had reached over the 1T asset mark and found trading caused me to never have enough on hand isk to do many opportunistic manipulations when the time was just right. Much like having money in a piggy bank instead of your wallet. For instance, twice it enabled me to cashed in over 100b of sleeper loot within an hour so that I could push up the techn line of products when the price was back around the 30-40k a unit mark. If I didn't have sleeper loot and tags from trading I wouldn't have been prepared for techn when stocks were down to half and the investment to buy it all up was much lower than normal. Wealthy traders are weathly because their isk is in trades earning compounding interest. This however often leads to inability to do anything big. Trading in sleeper loot and tags was a part of my answer to the short comings I had in the way I played the game and at a time I had no more trade lines worth while moving into.
So that was 'my' reason for trading sleeper loot regionally at a a price "below" the NPC buy prices. I made really small profits on regional trades, yet more importantly increased my liquid assets which made great returns.
They really are just like isk. You only have to watch out for patch day changes as mentioned above. This is easily fixed by always selling them before patch day to the NPC's. It sounds like a bad thing and work but it is not because it means every patch you will always have a large pile of isk awaiting for patch day speculation. This saves you time in selling normal assets and also saves you isk since selling other assets around patch day is often at a loss. Price are often dropping as other players try to sell and do price wars tring to get isk. NPC items don't have that problem as the price can be considered fixed.
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Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
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Posted - 2011.08.22 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Arch Ange1 Isk Laundering.
i.e, RMT...
^^ This. The same thing is going on with public contracts of caldari shuttles for 2,000,054,321 isk which have zero chance of succeeding as scams. They are 100% RMTing.
Sadly petitioning 'obvious RMTing is obvious' yields no results from CCP. [ Casino | Loans ] |
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