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Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.19 13:07:00 - [1] This whole topic is a waste of time. We had a AFK cloaker who sat in system for about a week or so. After awhile of not being able to do anything about them, other then watch them sit there. Obviously we shifted systems The end fix was for some of my corpies to go find the offenders alliance and start taking out there industrials. When the alliance asked why we where going after them we told them about the cloaker that had been sitting in our space just being an A-hole. Shortly after that he left the a alliance said he wasn't authorized for that action and it won't happen again. The point being there was nothing we could do to the person that was afking. And that is the problem with afk cloaking. It is just a lame tactic, and it is abusing a game mechanic. I could care less if the person decloaks, I want a chance to find and kill the them. Person sitting afk for 8 hours and they can't be found, that is just a messed up mechanic.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.19 14:03:00 - [2] Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 14:03:41 It is like talking to a wall. What is the purpose of bringing a cloaked ship into a system and just sitting there. To disrupt a systems usage. A valid tactic, nobody disputes that. The point is that an afk cloaker is the same thing as a BOT. You are saying, yes I want to be able to do this job without being at the keyboard. Nobody wants to remove the tactic they want to remove the BOT. There is a difference and if you can't see it, well this whole discussion is over. The mechanic is flawed and always has been.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.19 14:26:00 - [3] AH but I did prove it. By the very essence of my corp having to shift operations it had the same effect as a kill mail. Now if I provided a kill mail wouldn't that prove that the person was actually NOT AFK. So ANY kill mail could be null in voided by you. Or are you going to except peoples words that they were killed by a afk cloaker ?
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.19 14:43:00 - [4] Originally by: Ingvar Angst Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 19/08/2011 14:32:13 Originally by: Simetraz AH but I did prove it. By the very essence of my corp having to shift operations it had the same effect as a kill mail. Now if I provided a kill mail wouldn't that prove that the person was actually NOT AFK. So ANY kill mail could be null in voided by you. Or are you going to except peoples words that they were killed by a afk cloaker ? Horsecrap! You took actions that resulted in... 1. Killmails for you by attacking the AFK cloaker's corp's industrials. (At least I hope you did... brilliant idea btw.) 2. The AFK cloaker being punished and leaving your system. Dude, you did it right. Accept that. You beat the afk cloaker and did it well. Yet you're still acting like carebears docked up in panic mode. You've lost credibility with this argument because you've already shown the balls to beat them. Boast, man, don't cower. Actually not horse crap. We had some new folks who were not used to 0.0 life who stopped logging in and eventually left the corp, that by very definition is cowering. Then there were the PvP folks and those who were industrials primary but could PvP, those were gnashing there teeth trying to figure out how to get this person. Baiting didn't work, it was tryed (AFK). So in the end they found the alliance and ended up going after a totally different corporation. Effective yes but far from hitting the target. All I want is a probe that takes an hour to run that will put me on the same grid as the person afk. If some is even marginally awake I will never get a chance to uncloak them and kill them. But if they are gone for 8 hours. They return to a POD. Not asking much just let me kill the BOT.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.19 14:46:00 - [5] Originally by: Jemima Puddle**** Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from. You still haven't answered my question.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.19 15:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Jemima Puddle** Originally by:** Simetraz Originally by: Jemima Puddle**** Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from. You still haven't answered my question. It's not my intention to argue semantics about AFK or not. We all know they can't kill you if they are AFK. I am simply using the (poorly worded) common name for this 'issue'. This isn't meant to be a trick thread, which makes it more frustrating that people can't hold their breath and count to 10 before splerging the same old rubbish in here. Please go ahead. I am looking, needle in a hay stack as I wasn't the victim or aggressor. You do know the primary goal of AFK cloaking is NOT to get kill mails. This really is a poor way to judge if afk cloaking is a problem. looking....
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.19 15:16:00 - [7] Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 15:20:08 Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 15:18:10 Killmail I believe here is one. Fits the time frame and ship types from what I remember Bombers and loki's are the ships of preference these days for hanging around cloaked all day. or were should I say Covert ops do it from time to time but nobody pays attention to them.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.19 15:50:00 - [8] Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 15:50:36 Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011 Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from. CaldariCitizen19082011 I didn't pay attention to your original name. Perhaps it wasn't such a good idea to try and get people banned because you didn't like there replies.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.19 16:04:00 - [9] SO why are you trying to collect these statistics ? Kind of like trying to determine how many NON-NPC ships a hulk or a mac have killed.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.08.19 17:03:00 - [10] Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 17:03:39 Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011 Thank you for not reading the thread. It's been thought through to death and this is the wrong thread to discuss it further. Please read the scope of the thread before posting this rubbish here. So let me see if I got this right. You finally got the attention of someone who has actually using this tactic and you tell them they are rubbish. Thread over

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