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Mrs Pants
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Posted - 2011.08.21 13:59:00 -
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I am a long time player of eve. I have 2 accounts and very diverse characters between them. Recently I have been logging on to do no more than change my skills as I canÆt find any reason to play anymore. I based my characters between combat and industry and used one to finance the other. I pay real money for both as I canÆt generate enough in game income to fund either of them anymore. I guess that is a success on the part of the eve developers (those BFF people). I am part of a corporation that had many active members last year. We fought in the NC conflicts and we loved organising funding (mining etc) training and fighting corp events. We were proud members of an alliance and then along came the null sec feck! Our Alliance could not survive it as our home became overnight worthless. The Alliance collapsed as the only places left worth living in were owned by friends or far greater sized enemies and there was no spare income in the friendly space.
Our Corp survived for a bit. Numbers dropped a little but the core players remained active as we sort to find some way to continue to finance doing the things we loved. Then you released your next bombshell. Firstly, I hope you are not happy with removing my spinning ship with that wooden slough and crappy station user interface? I turn it off and all I can see is the loading screen? I can no longer drag and drop a ship and I have to plod slowly and painfully to see that I can no longer properly admire my ship from the hanger. Best of all imho is the fact that you spent years telling us about walking toons but you spent all the development time designing micro transactions! The introduction of Micro transactions enraged so many long-time core players that we now have a corp of skill changers and I have lost some friends in RL as we canÆt all agree on which new game we will play. Some of us used World of Tanks for a while but you get that old EU/US? Server problem as with rift and the other games we looked at.
Going forward looking at the devblog http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946 recently showing the awesome programming skills of the white boarder and demonstrating that after nearly 8 years you still don't know how null sec works and you still donÆt know what your income source wants and that you have clearly had enough of us and are determined to close the game down... I would ask for a refund. I now consider your game to have been no more than a packaged product with a limited lifespan and therefore not worth more than a typical packaged program, say ú35.00. Go back a year. Things were flowing, people were fighting and happy, people were building and happy, people lived in null sec and enjoyed it! DonÆt keep what you have done and try to go forward with it. DonÆt put your fingers in your ears and yell ôLALALALALAö every time one of us (your income) tells you we donÆt like what youÆre doing. You donÆt know better than us anymore that is as clear as your white board blog. Oh and micro transactions. How are they working out for you? Anybody want to tell me how much they have spent in purchasing these costumes?
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Ethan Bejorn
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.08.21 14:01:00 -
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Yes, the numbers do show the truth. CCP are blind and desperate at this point. They just don't seem to understand that improving upon their spaceship game means workingon spaceships, not other flashy nonsense like WiS and barbie doll clothing.
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velox
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.21 14:08:00 -
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The problem I fear is bigger than 'eve' the title and actually reflect more to the corporate business and their other asperations of owning multiple MMO titles.
They have two stuggling mmo titles in development and Dust on top. Dust being another slap in the face to eve users as we would have to all own consoles in order to play it.
You can well imagine the storm there must be in their other dev teams if they cant even get the eve one right.
I much prefer the CCP of old where the game was good and showed promise instead of this one in decline.
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Fitzter
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
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Posted - 2011.08.21 14:14:00 -
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I've canceled 2 of my 3 accounts months ago.I've been keeping my last one alive but inactive hoping the game turns around enough for me to want to come back.My corp and the friends I've made is the only reason I even keep waiting but it seems a fail cascade is imminent.
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.08.21 14:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Mrs Pants
...Anybody want to tell me how much they have spent in purchasing these costumes?
I have spent $0.00 on CCP-sold MTs. In fact, I have also ceased my occasional practice of buying GTCs and reselling for ISK. That's hard currency not flowing into CCP's coffers.
Hilmar asked his people to watch customers' actions rather than read their words. Does reduced cash revenue count as well?
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Galalissa Noban
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Posted - 2011.08.21 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Bejorn
The loud minority on the forums don't show the truth.
Fixed it for ya .......
currently 40k+ online ..... i would hardly say CCP are " blind and desperate " .....
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.08.21 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Galalissa Noban
Fixed it for ya .......
currently 40k+ online ..... i would hardly say CCP are " blind and desperate " .....
Erm.......even 2 months ago it was at LEAST 50,000 + online at this time on a Sunday.
Think and check facts before posting nonsense please. Thank you.
Have a Nice Day. 
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Umad Bro Questionmark
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Posted - 2011.08.21 15:40:00 -
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I'm just posting this because my sig is appropriate to the topic at hand. That's how you guys look.
Current state of the forums:
Making capsuleers slightly angry since 2003.
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Galalissa Noban
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Posted - 2011.08.21 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Erm.......even 2 months ago it was at LEAST 50,000 + online at this time on a Sunday.
Think and check facts before posting nonsense please. Thank you.
Have a Nice Day.
That proves that CCP are blind and desperate how exactly ? .............. That's right , it doesn't .
How-ever , come back to me in 6 months , and show a steady decline in players , then you can claim it .
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.08.21 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Galalissa Noban
That proves that CCP are blind and desperate how exactly ? .............. That's right , it doesn't .
How-ever , come back to me in 6 months , and show a steady decline in players , then you can claim it .
T R O L L .......spotted.
Have a Nice Day
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"God is nothing but the power of the Universe, as a whole, to organize itself." - Lee Smolin Three Roads to Quantum Gravity |
Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.21 16:09:00 -
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atcherly, i think he has a point, a bit of a dip in the northern summer means nothing. If the numbers are still down or further down in december i'll have to agree with the 'sky is falling' stuff. Doubt it tho.
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SilentSkills
Gallente
Tax Evaders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.21 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Umad Bro Questionmark
I'm just posting this because my sig is appropriate to the topic at hand. That's how you guys look.
bro you are a terrible troll, please browse posts by professional trolls so you can get a glimpse on how to be original.
The Monocle Definition
CCP - Originally by: Imuran
Cannot code properly
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Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2011.08.21 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Originally by: Galalissa Noban
Fixed it for ya .......
currently 40k+ online ..... i would hardly say CCP are " blind and desperate " .....
Erm.......even 2 months ago it was at LEAST 50,000 + online at this time on a Sunday.
Think and check facts before posting nonsense please. Thank you.
Have a Nice Day.
You realize it's the middle of summer... right?
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.21 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Drykor
You realize it's the middle of summer... right?
No. It's the end of summer. If it was the middle of summer, we would see higher numbers (well, except for this year, when a patch did something rather extraordinary and made the numbers go down rather than go up).
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2011.08.21 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Originally by: Galalissa Noban
That proves that CCP are blind and desperate how exactly ? .............. That's right , it doesn't .
How-ever , come back to me in 6 months , and show a steady decline in players , then you can claim it .
T R O L L .......spotted.
Have a Nice Day
You must be one of those people who believe that anyone who disagrees with you is a troll. Those are the worst kinds of people.
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.08.21 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Galalissa Noban
currently 40k+ online .....
The average amount of players online has dropped for the first time ever to about 2009 levels and still dropping as subscriptions end.
Originally by: Galalissa Noban
i would hardly say CCP are " blind and desperate " .....
I would be a tad concerned if I went backwards 2 years but I believe CCP will just ride it out in the hope that subscriptions will increase again.
However I believe CCP have destroyed any goodwill they had and "Word of mouth" IMO is in the majority negative.
And on top of that this is a very old game and looks it. I mean WTF were they thinking with the unidentifiable icons? My Vic20 could do more identifiable sprites.
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Mistah Ewedynao
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.21 17:53:00 -
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Say and think what you like folks.
I just know that this time one year ago on a Sunday at this time of day there were at LEAST 8k...sometimes 9-10k more people ingame....this is a fact from personal observatiom Worldwide bad economy? Yep.. no doubt a factor.
Will some of CCP's more controversial recent "expansions" and future plans contribute to this even more? Good question, but I can tell you that I haven't seen anything that has me excited. It sure isn't gonna be their latest line of skirts 
Trying to force me into null sec is a DUMB move. Whether you all know it or not, with the latest "expansion" CCP has already stealth nerfed all the high sec complexs and exploration sites...the value of the loot has been more than HALVED.
Is that gonna make me change the way I play? Maybe....what it has done so far is it has made me sell a couple of my characters and terminate their accounts.
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octahexx Charante
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Posted - 2011.08.21 18:03:00 -
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doesnt help that the last video of hilmar he stated the focus was on making clothes for the nex shop.
reshuffling old stuff inside eve like moving missions etc is also not expanding as in adding anything to eve.
why not add stuff to spaceships...get people excited about what made them sub in the first place.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.21 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mistah Ewedynao
I just know that this time one year ago on a Sunday at this time of day there were at LEAST 8k...sometimes 9-10k more people ingame....this is a fact from personal observatiom
Observe this.
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Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2011.08.21 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Drykor on 21/08/2011 18:17:44
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Drykor
You realize it's the middle of summer... right?
No. It's the end of summer. If it was the middle of summer, we would see higher numbers (well, except for this year, when a patch did something rather extraordinary and made the numbers go down rather than go up).
We never have higher numbers in the summer, 'cause that's when people go away on vacation or spend time outside. This has been the same in every single corporation I have been in.
As for the nitpicking comment, it's still in the middle of vacation time.
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Galalissa Noban
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Posted - 2011.08.21 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Originally by: Galalissa Noban
That proves that CCP are blind and desperate how exactly ? .............. That's right , it doesn't .
How-ever , come back to me in 6 months , and show a steady decline in players , then you can claim it .
T R O L L .......spotted.
Have a Nice Day
Of course , i should have guessed that anyone that disagrees with you would be labelled a troll .
Besides , i would hardly call the current " 46, 459 " online a " significant " drop in numbers .
While it may be slightly higher than normal , it certainly isn't anything to cause CCP to panic , or be " desperate " about.
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Shepard Book
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Posted - 2011.08.21 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs Pants
I am a long time player of eve. I have 2 accounts and very diverse characters between them. Recently I have been logging on to do no more than change my skills as I canÆt find any reason to play anymore. I based my characters between combat and industry and used one to finance the other. I pay real money for both as I canÆt generate enough in game income to fund either of them anymore. I guess that is a success on the part of the eve developers (those BFF people). I am part of a corporation that had many active members last year. We fought in the NC conflicts and we loved organising funding (mining etc) training and fighting corp events. We were proud members of an alliance and then along came the null sec feck! Our Alliance could not survive it as our home became overnight worthless. The Alliance collapsed as the only places left worth living in were owned by friends or far greater sized enemies and there was no spare income in the friendly space.
Our Corp survived for a bit. Numbers dropped a little but the core players remained active as we sort to find some way to continue to finance doing the things we loved. Then you released your next bombshell. Firstly, I hope you are not happy with removing my spinning ship with that wooden slough and crappy station user interface? I turn it off and all I can see is the loading screen? I can no longer drag and drop a ship and I have to plod slowly and painfully to see that I can no longer properly admire my ship from the hanger. Best of all imho is the fact that you spent years telling us about walking toons but you spent all the development time designing micro transactions! The introduction of Micro transactions enraged so many long-time core players that we now have a corp of skill changers and I have lost some friends in RL as we canÆt all agree on which new game we will play. Some of us used World of Tanks for a while but you get that old EU/US? Server problem as with rift and the other games we looked at.
Going forward looking at the devblog http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946 recently showing the awesome programming skills of the white boarder and demonstrating that after nearly 8 years you still don't know how null sec works and you still donÆt know what your income source wants and that you have clearly had enough of us and are determined to close the game down... I would ask for a refund. I now consider your game to have been no more than a packaged product with a limited lifespan and therefore not worth more than a typical packaged program, say ú35.00. Go back a year. Things were flowing, people were fighting and happy, people were building and happy, people lived in null sec and enjoyed it! DonÆt keep what you have done and try to go forward with it. DonÆt put your fingers in your ears and yell ôLALALALALAö every time one of us (your income) tells you we donÆt like what youÆre doing. You donÆt know better than us anymore that is as clear as your white board blog. Oh and micro transactions. How are they working out for you? Anybody want to tell me how much they have spent in purchasing these costumes?
So you miss anoms, ship spinning is what I took from this. Every major MMO out there has or is moving towards MT in one form or another. It only makes since for CCP to have that base covered if it is needed later. I am not saying I like it but understand it. They are working towards buffing 0.0 where you claim to have roots. Interesting. It is good to get your opinions out but as for me, I am tryiong to be patient to see how this Winter and next Summer pan out. I am very interested to see how establishments / contraband work out, dust514, and 0.0 reworked.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.21 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 21/08/2011 18:42:30
Originally by: Drykor
We never have higher numbers in the summer
àapart from after the RMR, Revelations II, Empyrean Age, Apocrypha, and Tyrannis patches (although Tyrannis only showed larger numbers than the preceding spring, and did indeed show an overall slowdown as summer went along).
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'cause that's when people go away on vacation or spend time outside
àand the time when they have more free time left over to play the game.
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This has been the same in every single corporation I have been in.
Which is nice and all, but apocryphal at best and not supported by the actual numbers.
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As for the nitpicking comment, it's still in the middle of vacation time.
àand yet this is the time each year when the summer bump starts to wind down. This year, it didn't happen at the normal time (now), but rather in conjuction with the patch, which is unheard of.
Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Mistah Ewedynao
I just know that this time one year ago on a Sunday at this time of day there were at LEAST 8k...sometimes 9-10k more people ingame....this is a fact from personal observatiom
Observe this.
àand based on those exact same numbers, observe this. Suffice to say, numbers are down compared to last year.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.21 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Dusty Warrior on 21/08/2011 19:05:35
Personally,
I just don't feel EVE anymore since Incarna. I, in my own little fantasy world had the illusion that CCP had my back. After Incarna, I looked behind me and saw CCP running towards an egg stamped "Faction Fit". I got podded!
We'll see what hatches but it is of my opinion, CCP has or is trying to let go of the older players to usher in the new "Barbie Doll/P2W/MTs" generation in an effort of cashing in on the good ole proverbial "Cash Cow".
CCP knew this outburst was in the making, hence the "Stay the Course" comment. They're betting on making more revenue on the influx of new players who have no idea what it took to engage in the industry/PVP/PVE aspect of EVE before. They'll simply stomp into the game, throw down their Daddy's CC or their own and start playing.
There has been many posts on various threads reference this issue that favor the direction EVE is headed. However I tend to believe they make up about as little of the player base as they claim the "Bitter Vets" make up. So, I choose to cancel out the "Fanbois" and look at the statistics which clearly show a decline from where we were just a year ago.
Does this mean EVE is dying? I don't think it's death will be as immediate as posts indicate. I do feel it's imminent, especially if/when another MMO is created with features of EVE minus the recent injection. Hell... I'm looking every day for a space MMO that is similar to EVE. However, I do feel the method in which we use to play EVE is dying or nearing its last breath. Rather that means a good thing or a bad thing depends on where you stand on the present discourse.
Unfortunately this is where I fall into the category. Being a player of 4+ years I'm not willing to transgress to a P2W/MTs/Barbie Doll mentality. It's not what I started playing EVE for in 2007.
I'm not condemning the ones who wish to play this way. I've said some mean things about people who prefer this type of game play and will continue to do so. However, I think my anger comes more from disappointment towards CCP's attitude and unresponsive nature than rage towards the ones who think this is a cool change for EVE.
ATM, I only log on to change skills. Once winter's so called expansion gets here I'll probably unload my assets to whoever might be in the station and transfer or delete my toons, then delete the client for good... unless of course I'm pleasantly surprised. <-- Sadly I don't think this will be the case.
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Jon Taggart
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.21 19:05:00 -
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It's difficult to say if EVE truly is sailing on troubled waters. Only time will tell though. However, the forums have certainly gotten a lot worse. A lot worse.
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I Love Boobies
Amarr
All Hail Boobies
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Posted - 2011.08.21 19:10:00 -
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Actually, I checked the numbers on Eve-Offline's site, and the numbers are about the same as last year at this time. The problem I have with the numbers being the same is CCP boasts they are steadily adding new subscribers all the time. If that is the case, wouldn't there be more online this year compared to last year just because of new subscribers? So yeah, I think the numbers are down. It's not just the summer downturn that's to be expected.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.08.21 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 21/08/2011 19:10:50
Originally by: Galalissa Noban
Originally by: Ethan Bejorn
The loud minority on the forums don't show the truth.
Fixed it for ya .......
currently 40k+ online ..... i would hardly say CCP are " blind and desperate " .....
Average players online during each day is under 30k right now, around 28k. We used to have 40k average daily, and it was GROWING. This is just the start I fear. As time goes on, thing will just get worse and worse. CCP is making eve worse, not making it better. They need to focus on balancing the game, fixing bugs, iterating on stuff like sov warfare and faction warfare, adding more missions, balancing moon minerals and regular mining, etc etc etc. They are not, they talk about it, but never do anything. And what they do finish, is typically unbalanced and more broken than before.
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.08.21 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Simetraz on 21/08/2011 19:16:59
The numbers always dip during the summer as people go on vacation and just have less time to play as they are busy working outside and enjoying the weather.
And every summer the number crunchers scream EVE is dieing.
There was also a very large number of people displaced from 0.0 around the time of the expansion which also cause a lot of people to stop playing.
This game has also been known for huge numbers of people that have multiple alts.
A lot of people stopped stopped paying for them.
ie 1 person quits and takes their 4 alts with them, so on paper 5 people quit when in reality only one person did.
Why it is always better to have 5 actual people playing then one person with 4 alts.
So take everything with a grain of salt.
Sometimes it is better to get rid of some people, and in the end have a better player base.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.21 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Simetraz
The numbers always dip during the summer
No. This is a myth, and not supported by the numbers. They dip in the late summer/early autumn, presumably as people go back to work/school.
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So take everything with a grain of salt.
àespecially the claim about this supposed summer dip that doesn't actually take place (except for this year, where it had more to do with a botched expansion launch than with the summer itself).
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2011.08.21 19:52:00 -
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Surely my 'evidence' is anecdotal and I could just have been in corporations with a relatively high amount of people with a 'life', but I would like to get your numbers and their source as you provided none either. To me it always seemed Eve went quiet during summer.
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