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Sjugar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.09.24 20:06:00 - [1] - Quote Easy solution: automatically log of clients after 30 minutes of inactivity. In my opinion when you're having an effect on the game and the game-play of others you should be behind your computer screen, playing the game. I find it totally unacceptable that you can log in a character and go to work or head to bed and still have an effect on the game. Sitting cloaked in system is just a matter of play-style. You are there, observing, waiting for the target to drop his guard. It's quite a bit of work and patience actually to find that right moment to drop the hammer and do maximum damage. People who do 90% of that work while not even being behind the computer-screen cheapen that effort. I basically consider them bots, the computer is playing the game while the player is doing something else.
Sjugar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.09.24 20:27:00 - [2] - Quote Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote: Sjugar wrote: I basically consider them bots, the computer is playing the game while the player is doing something else. Logic fallacy; the only thing they are "doing" is sitting there. The only effect they are having is what the other players are allowing them to have. Nope, they're Schr+¦dinger's cloaker. You can never know whether they're AFK or not, so you have to act as if they're there. So they do have a very real effect on the gameplay. AFK cloakers aren't the problem, it's when they're not AFK that you can have a problem and hey, there's no sign saying whether someone is AFK or not.
Sjugar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.09.24 20:34:00 - [3] - Quote Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote: Sjugar wrote: ...so *you* have to act as if they're there Emphasizing the important part of your post. Only you decide how they are going to impact your gameplay. What kind of wordplay is that? If your gameplay is mining and you do that with a hostile in system it's a very fast way to lose your ship. They are impacting my gameplay, either by making me dock up or shooting my ship. You must be utterly and utterly stupid to not change your gameplay with a hostile in system.
Sjugar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.09.24 20:44:00 - [4] - Quote It's nice to list a lot of things you can do to be safer, but both of you are circling around my point: people shouldn't be able to have an impact on gameplay while not behind their computer screen. I'll happily move to another system alliogn bladiebladiebla, but please let that be because the guy who is making me be behind his computer. Not out drinking with his friends.
Sjugar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.09.24 20:49:00 - [5] - Quote Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote: Again, you are making the choice of how to react; you are circling our point. You don't have a counterargument to why people should be able to effect gameplay while not being behind their computerscreen, that's why you try to make it into a discussion you can win.
Sjugar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.09.24 20:57:00 - [6] - Quote Cueball McGee wrote: Sjugar wrote: Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote: Again, you are making the choice of how to react; you are circling our point. You don't have a counterargument to why people should be able to effect gameplay while not being behind their computerscreen, that's why you try to make it into a discussion you can win. Ask The Mittani about affecting gameplay without being logged into Eve. Hell, ask me. I spend more time playing Jabber Online than Eve Online and I guarantee you it's had an effect on people's in-game experience. Next point? Edit: I do it from my phone too. Ahhhhwww the old metagame argument: I can order others to shoot you while not even being online so it's ok to bot (afk cloaking is effectively botting) in eve. You must be a test member because last thing I heard test fully supports botting. Now I can see why you are so fighting to keep afk cloaking alive.
Sjugar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.09.24 21:14:00 - [7] - Quote Cueball McGee wrote: Sjugar wrote: Ahhhhwww the old metagame argument: I can order others to shoot you while not even being online so it's ok to bot (afk cloaking is effectively botting) in eve. You must be a test member because last thing I heard test fully supports botting. Now I can see why you are so fighting to keep afk cloaking alive. Ahhhhwww the old strawman argument: AFK cloaking! Hand waving! You bot lover! AFK cloaking is an effective tactic to stop botting. After a few days the guy running the bots will get frustrated and set them to rat even though there are hostiles in local. Then we kill the bots. So yeah, I support botting. They're nice targets. Ahhh, The first real cough argument in favor of AFK cloaking: it is the silver bullet in the fight against botter. So basically someone not behind a computer screen is fighting someone else also not behind his computer screen while both are cough "playing" eve.
Sjugar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.09.24 21:27:00 - [8] - Quote Rengerel en Distel wrote: Love when nullbears cry about not being absolutely secure while in null, and do it while "cloaking" behind a forum alt so they again can assure their security. The only ones that complain about afk cloakers are null residents, even though you can do it everywhere. Do you think perhaps it's because only in null can you have sov? You expect a higher degree of security than anyone ever dreams of in high sec, and call them carebears? I don't expect anything of that, just that people fly the ships, not computers.
Sjugar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.10.02 22:01:00 - [9] - Quote Lady Ayeipsia wrote: [quote=Stigman Zuwadza]If you don't want that risk, go run level 4s in high sec with the rest of us. The risk should be also there for someone being in a system 23/7. Where's his risk?
Sjugar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.10.03 16:47:00 - [10] - Quote Stigman Zuwadza wrote: [quote=Noisrevbus]This activity is conducted risk free once the cloaker is in their safe. Folks ramble on about risk, this activity carries no risk. It needs a counter. Disrupting activities is GOOD for the meta game, I totally agree with this, whoever, it should not be a risk free activity. I accept cloakers as part of the game. Ofcourse you should be more carefull because someone can be just hotdropping you every second. Just let this game be an "activity" and not half of it not done in front of the screen. Yes a cloaker should make me more carefull and bring more risk to my activities, but let the cloaking also be an "activity". If someone wants to disrupt my system, let him. But let him actively do it and not while he's at work asleep or drinking with his mates.
Sjugar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.10.04 18:08:00 - [11] - Quote Golar Crexis wrote: I completely agree with the OP. He seems a very sensible person and a chill dude. I think we can fix afk cloaking quite easily. Of course it means these exploiters will lose their gameplay but its not real pvp so it doesn't count. The fix is simple: We remove local. Finally those of us who are not interested in pvp will no longer have to worry about people afk cloaking in our system. The fix is even more simple: flag everyone that hasn't interacted with the game for more then 15 minutes with an AFK flag visible in local. Once you come back, you get unflagged and after 30 seconds you can interact with the game again.

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