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Operator XIII
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Posted - 2011.08.28 03:56:00 -
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I cannot seem to find a definitive answer here. If these things do not affect mission pay, then that would free me up to decline a lot more bad missions and be comfortable taking some standings hits.
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Leetha Layne
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Posted - 2011.08.28 04:26:00 -
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Of course. Why else would there be standings?
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Operator XIII
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Posted - 2011.08.28 04:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Leetha Layne
Of course. Why else would there be standings?
Because the old system required standings in order to be able to receive certain levels of missions...
I was under the impression that now, only the sec status of the system your agent is in matters as far as mission reward pay (i.e. agent standing/corp standing doesn't matter). Are you sure this isn't right?
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Leetha Layne
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Posted - 2011.08.28 05:27:00 -
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Perhaps I am wrong then. But in my experience, I get more payout from agents/corps I have higher standing with.I haven't put it in Excel though.
That being said I still decline faction missions and those I don't like as the difference seems small.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.08.28 05:52:00 -
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Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 28/08/2011 05:54:34
High Corp standing gives access to all agents within that corp as well as no refining tax on reprocessing items at stations owned by that Corp.
High Agent standing gives better missions with higher rewards located closer to agent.
Social skill will improve Agent standing.
Negotiation skill will improve rewards and standings gained for completing missions.
Connections skill will improve Corp standing.
LP amount is increased by training up the Divisional Connections skills.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.08.28 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
High Agent standing gives better missions with higher rewards located closer to agent.
Wait. Do you have actual evidence backing this up?
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Operator XIII
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Posted - 2011.08.29 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
High Agent standing gives better missions with higher rewards located closer to agent.
Wait. Do you have actual evidence backing this up?
This is exactly what I was going to post. Ive never heard anything like this... sorry, but I'm going to call BS.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.08.29 04:56:00 -
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You can take it or leave it. You asked a question and I gave an answer. I'm not going to spend hours looking for factual proof just to satisfy your doubts.
After playing this game for over 3 years, I have gained over +5.00 standing with almost all Empire Factions and have a lot of corp standings much higher. I know what type of mission offers and payments I receive when first starting out with a new agent and corp compared to the ones already with very high standings.
Bottom line: Play this game the way you want. Just don't be so quick to call B.S. when someone gives an answer to a question about something you don't know anything about.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.08.29 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
You can take it or leave it. You asked a question and I gave an answer. I'm not going to spend hours looking for factual proof just to satisfy your doubts.
After playing this game for over 3 years, I have gained over +5.00 standing with almost all Empire Factions and have a lot of corp standings much higher. I know what type of mission offers and payments I receive when first starting out with a new agent and corp compared to the ones already with very high standings.
Bottom line: Play this game the way you want. Just don't be so quick to call B.S. when someone gives an answer to a question about something you don't know anything about.
DMC, I fully respect your take on things like this and I'm not exactly calling BS, but I've never before heard you or anyone else claim that high agent standing is somehow inversely correlated with distance to missions or directly correlated to some sort of "mission quality" variable. It's not something I've noticed (after 6.5 years of missioning on and off) but that doesn't mean it isn't real. I'm just curious as to where you're getting your assertion from beyond anecdotal evidence. Honestly, the RNG is flukey enough that I'd point to that before I looked for any direct correlation, but if there's more to it I'm all ears.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.29 07:32:00 -
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Well, it used to be quite obvious back when we had agent quality levels, but now that they've removed that, they've also removed the information box that tells you what modifies that quality rating. As far as anyone can tell, though, the underlying mechanics is the same, except that they have pinned all agents' base quality to +20 rather than have it sit anywhere in the -20û+20 range.
Anyway, it used to be (and most likely still is) like this: your agent rewards (LP, payout, time bonus, standing increase) all depend on a base value that is the combined average of how long it takes for everyone in the game to do the same mission.
This base value is then adjusted by your agent's effective quality.
The effective quality is the agent's base quality (which is now +20 for all agents) modified by your (personal) standing towards the agent (which answers your question: yes, it makes a difference), which in turn is modified by the normal Connections skill; by Diplomacy if you have a negative standing; and Criminal Connections if it's a pirate corp. There is also the hidden quality boost given by the security level of the system.
Some of the individual rewards also have special skills that boos that particular reward: the [Division] Connection for LP and Social for standings gains (and, if you run a mission with rats, Fast Talk boosts your CONCORD standings gain and DED Connections was supposed to boost your bounties).
Corp (and faction) standing in this context do not change how you interact with your agent ù they simply let you interact with him at all, and then you get your rewards based on the standings with that agent. Standings do not in any way change what missions an agent offers you ù this rumour has been around since forever but there is no evidence whatsoever that anything like that happens. Each agent has its mission pool, and those are the missions they randomly offer you. If you want different missions, you need to pick a different agent.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.08.29 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Standings do not in any way change what missions an agent offers you ù this rumour has been around since forever but there is no evidence whatsoever that anything like that happens. Each agent has its mission pool, and those are the missions they randomly offer you. If you want different missions, you need to pick a different agent.
From my experience the Faction standings do affect the missions being offered from the Agent. After completing missions for all types of Corporations and Agents in different Divisions, it seems that after gaining Agent standing the mission offer pool is altered and based on the characters negative Faction standings listed in the character sheet.
When I start out with a new Agent in a new Corp, I'll get offered a variety of encounter missions, both Anti-Empire and Anti-Pirate with the occasional 'Stop The Traitor' mission type along with a few Rogue Drone missions. I always decline the Anti-Empire encounter missions. As the Agent standing goes up, the Agent tends to offer more and more of the type of missions previously accepted and completed. After gaining high Agent and Corp standing, almost all missions being offered tend to reflect the negative Faction standings (Pirate Factions) listed in my character sheet.
Due to my experience, Agents with the Gallente Federation seem to offer more Anti-Empire encounter missions compared to all of the other Empire Factions.
As for more rewarding missions, The majority of missions I get offered after gaining high Agent standing is Extravaganza, Worlds Collide, Blockade, etc. along with the 'Strike' storyline missions.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.29 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
From my experience the Faction standings do affect the missions being offered from the Agent.
And from my experience, it does not, since the same agents I use now give the exact same missions as when I started to use them many years ago. Also, no amount of declining or accepting those missions change how often they come up for me.
What you're experiencing is far more likely to be the standard problem with randomness: you have a predictive pattern matching machine taking up an awful lot of space above your neck and it gets really antsy when handed the random row of numbers that reads "1 1 1 1 1".
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Katowen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.29 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Originally by: Tippia
Standings do not in any way change what missions an agent offers you ù this rumour has been around since forever but there is no evidence whatsoever that anything like that happens. Each agent has its mission pool, and those are the missions they randomly offer you. If you want different missions, you need to pick a different agent.
From my experience the Faction standings do affect the missions being offered from the Agent. After completing missions for all types of Corporations and Agents in different Divisions, it seems that after gaining Agent standing the mission offer pool is altered and based on the characters negative Faction standings listed in the character sheet.
When I start out with a new Agent in a new Corp, I'll get offered a variety of encounter missions, both Anti-Empire and Anti-Pirate with the occasional 'Stop The Traitor' mission type along with a few Rogue Drone missions. I always decline the Anti-Empire encounter missions. As the Agent standing goes up, the Agent tends to offer more and more of the type of missions previously accepted and completed. After gaining high Agent and Corp standing, almost all missions being offered tend to reflect the negative Faction standings (Pirate Factions) listed in my character sheet.
Due to my experience, Agents with the Gallente Federation seem to offer more Anti-Empire encounter missions compared to all of the other Empire Factions.
As for more rewarding missions, The majority of missions I get offered after gaining high Agent standing is Extravaganza, Worlds Collide, Blockade, etc. along with the 'Strike' storyline missions.
I agree with you...It does seem PERSONAL standing (along with a little corp/faction) for the agent does make a difference with mission types offered. If you have a low effective quality with that agent (say, less then 4.0 total), you seems to get missions that are not the "common" missions you see when you have a higher personal standing with that agent.
But that is my opinion after three years. :P
Katowen
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.08.29 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
What you're experiencing is far more likely to be the standard problem with randomness: you have a predictive pattern matching machine taking up an awful lot of space above your neck and it gets really antsy when handed the random row of numbers that reads "1 1 1 1 1".
What you're experiencing is far more likely to be the standard problem associated with being a troll who's only recourse is to do a personal attack against me since you can't disprove my statement.
Next time you make it personal, I'll report it.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.29 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 11:50:11
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
What you're experiencing is far more likely to be the standard problem associated with being a troll
No, what I'm experiencing is the standard problem with responding to trolls ù they don't quite get (or don't want to get) what you're saying and start assuming things that were never saidà
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Next time you make it personal, I'll report it.
àfor instance, you thought that was something personal? Oh dear. Read it again and stop being so strung up and defensive.
But point taken. I will not accuse you of having a brain or being able to think the next time. 
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki
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Operator XIII
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Posted - 2011.08.29 16:01:00 -
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Oh my... this thread is so full of fail. Gotta love the anecdotal crusaders.
And DeMichael, you are seriously off your rocker if you think Tippia made anything resembling a personal attack LOL - you're just mad because you got called to the floor with logic.
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sumdum nig
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Posted - 2011.08.29 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
You can take it or leave it. You asked a question and I gave an answer. I'm not going to spend hours looking for factual proof just to satisfy your doubts.
After playing this game for over 3 years, I have gained over +5.00 standing with almost all Empire Factions and have a lot of corp standings much higher. I know what type of mission offers and payments I receive when first starting out with a new agent and corp compared to the ones already with very high standings.
Bottom line: Play this game the way you want. Just don't be so quick to call B.S. when someone gives an answer to a question about something you don't know anything about.
"I'm an opinionated idiot who can't be bothered to back up my opinions with evidence"
DURP in your 3 years playing missioning has changed a lot namely agent quality. What you don't realize is that you are getting qual 20 agents now. So comparing back then to now is laughable... FAIL!!
tl;dr Op is a fаggot
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.29 17:22:00 -
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Thread cleaned of trolling posts. Please remain on topic.
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Linda Shadowborn
Gallente
Dark Steel Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.29 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
From my experience the Faction standings do affect the missions being offered from the Agent.
And from my experience, it does not, since the same agents I use now give the exact same missions as when I started to use them many years ago. Also, no amount of declining or accepting those missions change how often they come up for me.
What you're experiencing is far more likely to be the standard problem with randomness: you have a predictive pattern matching machine taking up an awful lot of space above your neck and it gets really antsy when handed the random row of numbers that reads "1 1 1 1 1".
Same experience as Tippia, i recently changed agent and corp and i found no change in the missions as i grinded my way up to now 9.something in agent standing. Still blockade, duo of death, smuggler, attack of the drones, damsel and that other drone mission that comes in a lot. I havent noticed any change from when i started with her.
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Kaeoz
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.08.30 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Katowen
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Originally by: Tippia
Standings do not in any way change what missions an agent offers you ù this rumour has been around since forever but there is no evidence whatsoever that anything like that happens. Each agent has its mission pool, and those are the missions they randomly offer you. If you want different missions, you need to pick a different agent.
From my experience the Faction standings do affect the missions being offered from the Agent. After completing missions for all types of Corporations and Agents in different Divisions, it seems that after gaining Agent standing the mission offer pool is altered and based on the characters negative Faction standings listed in the character sheet.
When I start out with a new Agent in a new Corp, I'll get offered a variety of encounter missions, both Anti-Empire and Anti-Pirate with the occasional 'Stop The Traitor' mission type along with a few Rogue Drone missions. I always decline the Anti-Empire encounter missions. As the Agent standing goes up, the Agent tends to offer more and more of the type of missions previously accepted and completed. After gaining high Agent and Corp standing, almost all missions being offered tend to reflect the negative Faction standings (Pirate Factions) listed in my character sheet.
Due to my experience, Agents with the Gallente Federation seem to offer more Anti-Empire encounter missions compared to all of the other Empire Factions.
As for more rewarding missions, The majority of missions I get offered after gaining high Agent standing is Extravaganza, Worlds Collide, Blockade, etc. along with the 'Strike' storyline missions.
I agree with you...It does seem PERSONAL standing (along with a little corp/faction) for the agent does make a difference with mission types offered. If you have a low effective quality with that agent (say, less then 4.0 total), you seems to get missions that are not the "common" missions you see when you have a higher personal standing with that agent.
But that is my opinion after three years. :P
Katowen
They said it, I believe it and that settles it.
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