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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Divine Power. Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.09.02 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 02/09/2011 01:25:42
Originally by: Sullen Skoung btw why is it herder for ppl in the drone regions than other ppl?
yes, its obvious im not in 0.0
Non-drone region renters just shoot rats, the corp taxes the bounty and that goes towards paying the rent to the holding alliance. In drone space rats drop drone compounds instead of paying bounties, these are reprocessed into minerals, so taxation in regular way is not possible.
What drone renters do is scoop up their drone compounds to the nearest station and fill out buy orders for the compounds set by the holding alliance. Instead of a paying a percentage on what they make, they are typically given a flat fee of XX million isk per month to the corp CEO, who then pays that to the holding alliance. If you can't make that money, you're out. |
Nizran L'Crit
Caldari Eternal Guardians Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2011.09.02 01:24:00 -
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The trick is to get into a good corp and actually care about it. My corp has a 40M a month per character tax and 1000m3 of drone poo a week. 1000 m3 is one or two Drone herds (about 1-2 hours total) and 40 mill is about 10 hours a month for me. Not that bad considering everything that you can do and get in a good nullsec corp, even if it's in dronepoo land.
About the caring about it part, I end up donating more because I actually want to see my corp get somewhere, that's fun for me. If you like seeing others and helping other progress, you can definitely have fun even as a casual spaceships person. I wanna be L337!!! |
Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.09.02 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Denidil
those with the most stand to loose the most when a society collapses.
Please, the ones with the most get out first in solid gold private jets with elaborate, fully stocked bar refrigerators and busty supermodel flight attendants who can put their feet behind their ears. The more you have, the lower percentage you lose when everything goes sideways, the poorest lose all they have. True in RL, true in eve. Srsly, you and Fansi Bits should blast each other with blanket statements about heavy issues, doesn't matter who's right or wrong or what, it'd just be so funny.
Again, slightly off topic but meh.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.09.02 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza If you can't make that money, you're out.
now i understand way better why there's so much bots on drones regions...
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Dane El
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Posted - 2011.09.02 01:29:00 -
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Quick everyone yell loudly at each other about off topic political crap! And don't forget to throw in a mention to your well to do personal income because that's how we measure your worth as a human being in this thread.
I spent a small amount of time in a drone regions alliance a few years back. They required you to contract drone alloys and ores from mining to the corporation using a pricing table they set (less than what you'd get on the market). That way anyone posting buy orders on the market was easy to identify and flog. I don't know what they did about the possibility of people hauling the loot away to sell.
As a budding marketeer I didn't last long since I was interested in making profit in ways that didn't require staring at guns or mining lasers firing over and over and this alliance forbid anything but grinding raw materials to be sold to them. If I recall you weren't even supposed to bring goods in from high sec to sell on the market as that would compete with the over-priced orders the lucky few allowed on the market set. If you needed stuff not available out there you setup up a courier contract and assigned it to the corp and they'd haul it out to you. You weren't to haul yourself since you might make them look bad with a km. After that experience I haven't bothered to look for a 0.0 corp again. That one was way too controlling.
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Igualmentedos
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.09.02 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Fansi Bits
Originally by: Bane Necran
You're the one who seems a little naive. Try not paying your taxes and see how long it takes for the authorities to knock on your door, guns drawn.
a very very long time you bloody ****ing jackass. yes you can go to jail for tax evasion, but you can also go to jail for fraud. guess what.. they're both essentially the same crime.
paying your ****ing taxes is part of being in society - those taxes pay for the maintenance of society. the roads that you drive to work on, that bring your food from other parts of the country (or world), for the police that keep me from kneecapping you and taking your **** because you're a ****ing ******. your taxes pay for the people who's job it is to make sure that companies aren't feeding us food covered in bacteria, or using carcinogens to wash you fruit, etc. those same tax dollars that paid for the research that created the internet, so you could be told to read Ayn Rand by your "rugged individualist" "libertarian" friends
if you want to trot out the "Taxes are robbery" schtick you can cram it directly up your ass until such a time as you find the most remote part of the canadian wilderness (there is no wilderness remote enough in the US for this) and go live off of the ****ing land.
difficulty: you cannot take anything with you that benefited from tax dollars, since taxes are robbery. make means your ass is going in naked without so much as a knife.
snap to it, you hypocritical little ****. stop taking advantage of the benefits of civilization if you don't want to help maintain it.
Wow chill out. You're way too mad bro.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Divine Power. Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.09.02 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Raid'En
Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza If you can't make that money, you're out.
now i understand way better why there's so much bots on drones regions...
A 40Mil fee is kind of steep compared to a percentage tax if you're a casual player, but if you're pulling in a billion a week, it's a smart move. |
Igualmentedos
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.09.02 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Chopper Rollins Edited by: Chopper Rollins on 01/09/2011 23:51:55 HA HA OH WOW
I met a lawyer who owed two million dollars in taxes. That's personally, not his business. He doesn't mean to ever pay them. He quoted an ancient Greek philosopher who said that when a man thinks that his contribution to society is limited to his purse, that society is on the way down and out. And anyone who blurts: 'I pay more in taxes than poorer people earn..' Well dUh. You're a PEASANT who doesn't understand that the really rich avoid paying in tax in one year more than you will earn in ten years. You rediculous, idiotic little wart. Console yourself with being mean to OTHER poor people.
Edit: sorry about off topic blast, but the '1+1= Derp' stuff is reaching critical levels on the boards lately.
It's spelled "ridiculous." Idiot.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.09.02 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 02/09/2011 01:25:42
Originally by: Sullen Skoung btw why is it herder for ppl in the drone regions than other ppl?
yes, its obvious im not in 0.0
Non-drone region renters just shoot rats, the corp taxes the bounty and that goes towards paying the rent to the holding alliance. In drone space rats drop drone compounds instead of paying bounties, these are reprocessed into minerals, so taxation in regular way is not possible.
What drone renters do is scoop up their drone compounds to the nearest station and fill out buy orders for the compounds set by the holding alliance. Instead of a paying a percentage on what they make, they are typically given a flat fee of XX million isk per month to the corp CEO, who then pays that to the holding alliance. If you can't make that money, you're out.
oh thosde kinda of drones I thought the area was just named that lol -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.09.02 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Igualmentedos
Originally by: Chopper Rollins Edited by: Chopper Rollins on 01/09/2011 23:51:55 HA HA OH WOW
rediculous,
It's spelled "ridiculous." Idiot.
Confirming spelling mistakes mean that a person is wrong, wrong, just wrong.
Also, did i touch a nerve? Brother, art thou angered?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.09.02 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Fansi Bits
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I can have so much fun with your statist bullshiat it would epicly hijack this thread.
So for now, I will just leave you to and think of you while the rest of the world revolts against your ideals and does what it wants anyway. I'll imagine you slamming your fists on your keyboard as your blacked little soul watches the rest of the world witn their freedom back.
that's funny, you think randite anti-society ****tards like you are something other than a vanishingly small group of sociopaths.
It won't be our bones bleaching alongside the highway, sheepleboy.
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Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.09.02 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Denidil Edited by: Denidil on 01/09/2011 23:16:15 I pay more taxes each year than the bottom 20% of americans (individual) make. so.. yeah.. go cry somewhere else.
Get yourself a better accountant. --
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Divine Power. Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.09.02 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dane El I spent a small amount of time in a drone regions alliance a few years back. They required you to contract drone alloys and ores from mining to the corporation using a pricing table they set (less than what you'd get on the market). That way anyone posting buy orders on the market was easy to identify and flog. I don't know what they did about the possibility of people hauling the loot away to sell.
As a budding marketeer I didn't last long since I was interested in making profit in ways that didn't require staring at guns or mining lasers firing over and over and this alliance forbid anything but grinding raw materials to be sold to them. If I recall you weren't even supposed to bring goods in from high sec to sell on the market as that would compete with the over-priced orders the lucky few allowed on the market set. If you needed stuff not available out there you setup up a courier contract and assigned it to the corp and they'd haul it out to you. You weren't to haul yourself since you might make them look bad with a km. After that experience I haven't bothered to look for a 0.0 corp again. That one was way too controlling.
If anything we should thank CCP for allowing us to experience a Cold War-era state controlled economy simulator. I wouldn't let it color your view of 0.0 corps in general though. |
Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.09.02 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Originally by: Dane El I spent a small amount of time in a drone regions alliance a few years back. They required you to contract drone alloys and ores from mining to the corporation using a pricing table they set (less than what you'd get on the market). That way anyone posting buy orders on the market was easy to identify and flog. I don't know what they did about the possibility of people hauling the loot away to sell.
As a budding marketeer I didn't last long since I was interested in making profit in ways that didn't require staring at guns or mining lasers firing over and over and this alliance forbid anything but grinding raw materials to be sold to them. If I recall you weren't even supposed to bring goods in from high sec to sell on the market as that would compete with the over-priced orders the lucky few allowed on the market set. If you needed stuff not available out there you setup up a courier contract and assigned it to the corp and they'd haul it out to you. You weren't to haul yourself since you might make them look bad with a km. After that experience I haven't bothered to look for a 0.0 corp again. That one was way too controlling.
If anything we should thank CCP for allowing us to experience a Cold War-era state controlled economy simulator. I wouldn't let it color your view of 0.0 corps in general though.
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Headerman
Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.02 08:25:00 -
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Not tellin'.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.09.02 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Fansi Bits
Originally by: KaarBaak
Same way any IRL gov't does: at the point of a gun.
grow up
You're the one who seems a little naive. Try not paying your taxes and see how long it takes for the authorities to knock on your door, guns drawn.
Several years and then there will be the next remission and the guy that didn't paid his taxes will have to pay 20% or so of what he didn't paid and it will be all right.
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Aquana Abyss
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Posted - 2011.09.02 09:28:00 -
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Relax guys, I got this:
fansi bits is just mad coz his top 16th percentile wife asked him to do her tax return in his spare time rather than his usual slob around all day smacking up the Eve forum with kneecapping threats.
She's a top lass.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.09.02 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 02/09/2011 09:32:35
Originally by: Kogh Ayon
So how do they collect tax from members to keep their corps running?
it is simple: weekly payment from each 1 real person.
Originally by: Kogh Ayon
If they purchase the alloy at a low price, the members may just sell the alloy in market, and some alts will place buy orders to compete with the corp, then hault them out with a carrier or JF.
yep. corp buys alloys for -10% of Jita and sell it in there. If you don't want to pay - bold part. Corp buys alloys through corp contract. So buy orders don't matter (however you are free to deal with your money).
PS: this is about 1 corp in Legion of xxDEATHxx. I have no ideas how do other corps/alliances.
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Sandviched
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Posted - 2011.09.02 09:42:00 -
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They're all bots so they don't really pay tax
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