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War Brood
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.26 07:22:00 -
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I know that the general thought is that, Supers/Titans aren't allowed in to Wormholes. Due to their staggering size.
However, Using numbers I don't think that's exactly true.
http://www.ellatha.com/eve/wormholelistview.asp?key=Wormhole+C248
This wormhole for instance, With a max jump mass of 1.8bil.
And a total of 5bil.
Meaning you could take 3 super carriers into the hole with the hole collapsing after the 3rd.
Why would you put a super into a wormhole? I have no idea.
I also understand that some might think that this hole spawns only from Null>Null. But, I can't seem to find a static or a dynamic with it. Meaning it could TECHNICALLY spawn from a c5/c6 into null.
This question has been asked before, My main reason for posting is to see if CCP will be kind enough to simply give all of us wondering:
"Yes, super carriers could be brought into a C5/C6 if this connection was established"
"No, super carriers are not allowed in wormholes" |
gulftobay
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.26 08:08:00 -
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The data I can find lists C248 as a class 9 wormhole - i.e. it is "unpublished" and does not (yet) exist in game. |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
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Posted - 2012.09.26 08:19:00 -
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Class 9 is Nullsec. So apparently it's a NS>NS hole.
Quote:I also understand that some might think that this hole spawns only from Null>Null. But, I can't seem to find a static or a dynamic with it. Meaning it could TECHNICALLY spawn from a c5/c6 into null.
You could as well say "if a H296 would spawn in a C1 I could bring a carrier or dread into a C1, so it's technically possible". Yeah, but they don't spawn there, so it's not possible.
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Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc.
Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.09.26 09:32:00 -
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It's more than likely impossible. Just as a c1 has an upper limit on what can get through, so do other wormholes. If you were to try and jam a super though one, you'd most likely end up with a confused and disappointed looking hole wondering if it did something wrong because your super wont fit. |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
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Posted - 2012.09.26 09:34:00 -
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Project Atlas studied the wormhole network for a good long while. If you take a gander at these charts produced by Project Atlas, you'll notice six wormhole types with a looming '?' in their signature strengths and "Departs from" fields. This is because despite looking long and hard... no one (to my knowledge) has ever found one.
Specifically these wormholes are:
S047 ? to high (300 Gg per pass mass limit)
B520 ? to high (300 Gg per pass mass limit)
N290 ? to low (1350 Gg per pass mass limit)
C391 ? to low (1800 Gg per pass mass limit)
C248 ? to null (1800 Gg per pass mass limit)
K329 ? to null (1800 Gg per pass mass limit)
Thus, the short answer to the question is, yes, it's possible to put a super carrier into a wormhole provided A.) you can find one of these elusive* wormholes and B.) they actually depart from a wormhole system rather than k-space.
*Note that "elusive" here should probably be read as "does not currently exist in-game but is there if the devs need it at a later date".
P.S.
A "Class 9" wormhole is simply a wormhole that leads to null sec. There are plenty of "Class 9" wormholes which depart from other places, namely: high sec, low sec, and class 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 wormhole systems. These would appear in null sec as a K162. |
Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.09.26 11:52:00 -
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there are no wormholes that spawn in game that can handle the mass of anything above carriers/dreadnaughts. |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:05:00 -
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Even if one spawns with potentially enough mass afaik you get an arbitary error message denying you passage if you attempt to jump a super or titan into a w-space system. (Not actually seen it for myself tho). |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.09.26 14:16:00 -
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omfg but how do you bridge rifters in to wormhole?!?? |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2012.09.26 14:19:00 -
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Infinite points should totally reduce the mass of the target... 
They see me trolling, they hating... |
Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc.
Talocan United
437
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Posted - 2012.09.26 14:43:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Infinite points should totally reduce the mass of the target...
Heavy interdiction Titans, anyone,
Instant planet, just put a warp bubble on your titan. |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2012.09.26 14:48:00 -
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WIN
They see me trolling, they hating... |
Angsty Teenager
69
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Posted - 2012.09.26 14:55:00 -
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IIRC, there was an exploit where you could stack mods or something, so you could stack virtually infinite cargo expanders so what you could do was take a repackaged titan and fly it into a WH in the cargo of some other ship, then put in a CSAA inside the WH and assemble it.
I remember seeing a picture of a titan in a WH, can't find it though.
Not anymore though |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.09.26 15:07:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:IIRC, there was an exploit where you could stack mods or something, so you could stack virtually infinite cargo expanders so what you could do was take a repackaged titan and fly it into a WH in the cargo of some other ship, then put in a CSAA inside the WH and assemble it.
I remember seeing a picture of a titan in a WH, can't find it.
Not anymore though
Have to have sov to place a csaa which has never been possible in w-space. I heard of a dev having a titan in a hole in sisi or something. probably the picture you are referring to.
edit found the pic, and yes it's on sisi |
War Brood
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.26 16:01:00 -
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Faulx wrote:Project Atlas studied the wormhole network for a good long while. If you take a gander at these charts produced by Project Atlas, you'll notice six wormhole types with a looming '?' in their signature strengths and "Departs from" fields. This is because despite looking long and hard... no one (to my knowledge) has ever found one. Specifically these wormholes are: S047 ? to high (300 Gg per pass mass limit) B520 ? to high (300 Gg per pass mass limit) N290 ? to low (1350 Gg per pass mass limit) C391 ? to low (1800 Gg per pass mass limit) C248 ? to null (1800 Gg per pass mass limit) K329 ? to null (1800 Gg per pass mass limit) Thus, the short answer to the question is, yes, it's possible to put a super carrier into a wormhole provided A.) you can find one of these elusive* wormholes and B.) they are discovered to actually depart from a wormhole system rather than k-space. *Note that "elusive" here should probably be read as "does not currently exist in-game but is there if the devs need it at a later date". P.S. A "Class 9" wormhole is simply a wormhole that leads to null sec. There are plenty of "Class 9" wormholes which depart from other places, namely: high sec, low sec, and class 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 wormhole systems. These would appear in null sec as a K162.
Thank you Sir. Very informative. |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2012.09.26 17:24:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:IIRC, there was an exploit where you could stack mods or something, so you could stack virtually infinite cargo expanders so what you could do was take a repackaged titan and fly it into a WH in the cargo of some other ship, then put in a CSAA inside the WH and assemble it.
I remember seeing a picture of a titan in a WH, can't find it.
Not anymore though
There was a bug (didn't exist very long) where you could stick fitting mods on and remove them but the effect they had wasn't removed from the ship, so you could fit,remove,refit,remove til you had massive amounts of cargo space, etc. several people used it to bring stuff into wormholes that weren't supposed to fit and atleast one person somehow managed to get a titan in space in a wormhole (without using CSAA) not sure if there was another bug/exploit used. AFAIK CCP has removed everything tho now. |
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:27:00 -
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the wormhole in question exists and does let supercarriers go through, however it is a null--> null WH thus the super cap never actually enters wormhole space. its just a fuel free shortcut cross nullsec. |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
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Posted - 2012.09.26 19:13:00 -
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The null to null wormhole that you're probably thinking of is:
S199 null to null (1350 Gg per pass mass limit)
... and, yes, this one has been found and, in fact, does not permit super carriers. The others stated above have (to my knowledge) not been found. So if you're saying you've seen one, get pictures. |
Dalts
Brothers ln Arms
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Posted - 2012.09.26 19:27:00 -
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There's a hidden flag that prevents SC and Titans from using wormholes. |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
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Posted - 2012.09.26 20:06:00 -
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How could you know or test that if none of the wormholes ever found are big enough to fit one? The mass limits could easily be the only mechanism preventing it. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Swift Angels Alliance
445
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Posted - 2012.09.28 00:19:00 -
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S199 is a wormhole from low/null to null. You can find them in lowsec and use them to gank Russian ratting carriers. Just sayin'
Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed.
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2012.09.28 02:57:00 -
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the super capable WHs on the lists do not exist. |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2012.09.28 13:33:00 -
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Running wh sites with supers:
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h96/j_j_c/20101209224652.jpg |
Jennz
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.28 13:46:00 -
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They don't escalate sites anyway so they are completely pointless. There are some people out there with supercaps in wormholes thanks to that infinite cargo exploit on haulers, but I somehow doubt they will post here.  |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:52:00 -
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Not completely pointless - drop your nyx in to rep the loki thats webbing/tping for the moros you drop in to escalate the first wave and then you've got the combination of moros and nyx dps to rip through the sleeper BS (fighter bombers don't really hit sleepers even BS ones normally but with the loki assisting its another matter). Don't even need a local active tank on the nyx with that amount of dps its never in any danger and the carriers can rep it when they come in last for the final 2 escalations. |
Jennz
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:43:00 -
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FBs missiles have a 2500m explosion radius...
Citadel torps - which also do negligible DPS to Sleepers webs/TPs or not - by comparison have a 2000m sig radius...
In other words - lol |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:26:00 -
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Once you've got 3 webs on a sleeper BS you can stick 2-3 TPs from loki w/ links or better rapier and get upto 2k sig on a sleeper guardian (FBs explosive radius is 2250m). Its possible to bloom them upto 2250m with 4 faction TPs on a rapier w/ infowar links. You do need them webbed down heavily tho before any amount of target painting is of any use with torpedos. |
Slaktoid
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2012.09.30 06:49:00 -
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You can actually jump supers into C5/C6. You just have to offline plates first. |
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