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HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.10 14:14:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Travis117 wrote:They are NOW getting fixed because goons are in a permanent war. Seems ccp responds everytime the goons have a problem -.-it takes them now to actually do say something as the person who implemented this fix I must admit I had no idea the goons were war decced or had any problems with it. The only person I've been talking to about war decs is Alekseyev Karrde v0v maybe I should spend less time working on the expansion and more time getting involved in corp/alliance politics in EVE for a 500 isk deposit i can sponsor you into goonswarm
do not under any circumstances accept any recruitment from the HBC it is scam. i am legit ok
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
1041
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Posted - 2012.11.10 14:50:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote: I'm a programmer, not a designer..
Demoted from Brogrammer already? That's disappointing.
Where I am. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
3575
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Posted - 2012.11.10 15:07:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:Musiaba Schenoly wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote: Since you can't spell "Iceland," I'll take that bet.
first ccp state in this threat CCP Punkturis wrote:I wish I was as smart as you ???????????????? I cant get it, really wtf 7 weeks after posting an exploit here came csm and dev finally - to barrack a player who is more committed than other in that game? What is that here - election campaign and local smack during drink time??? Here he posted his suggustions you "DEV" https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2149824#post2149824I like em more than your analysis anywhere...oh wait which? First, Aleks is CSM, a player representative to CCP, and that wasn't the first CSM response. Secondly, Punkturis' trolls are considered an Icelandic national treasure. While it might seem a bit rude and/or shocking, its only recently that we've had the devs been able to post as much as they've had, and that is a good thing. I swear once you get used to it, you'll feel honored when Punkturis trolls you. Added to that: she does get things done. She'll laugh at you one minute and fulfill your wildest (coding) dreams the next. So can understand why someone might be upset about her comment, take it in stride. Part of the uncommon culture EVE has (and there are far worse things you can get properly upset about). Anyway, thanks Punkturis!
reading your post on a Saturday morning made me soooo happy! thank you! This will be a great weekend
Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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Frankster Ijonen
Fly-Tippers
3
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Posted - 2012.11.10 15:18:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Destriouth Hollow wrote:Pay my trip to Island, give me from 1 to 3 days to get to get to know the current game-system and where to change what and which language is used. After that annother day to talk to everybody about all the balancing-concerns to get it right for everybody (I think the system i thought of and mentioned earlier would work just fine though). And annother day to implement the code.
Thats when I do it without any knowledge of the current code. I would bet all of current belongings that I could fix it to most people's liking in far below a week. I have almost no knowledge about graphics-designing but implenting complex theoretical systems is something I really enjoy (: What software have you written? Which projects have you worked on where you were able to divine the function of the code within 3 days? Those of us who are actually programmers are looking at your post and wondering whether you have actually ever touched someone else's code in your life. Then there's your claim that you can nut out all the issues inside the three day window while you're still reviewing code and determining which piece of spaghetti connects to which other piece. Have you actually ever talked to another person in your life, outside of the "do you want fries with that?" upsell question?
Noticeably absent is any time allocated for testing and fixing the inevitable issues,as the chances of it working correctly first time given unfamiliarity with the code-base are so close to zero that I would bet all of Destrouth's current belongings... |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
441
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:18:00 -
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Frankster Ijonen wrote: Noticeably absent is any time allocated for testing and fixing the inevitable issues,as the chances of it working correctly first time given unfamiliarity with the code-base are so close to zero that I would bet all of Destrouth's current belongings...
We'll test the new system together, live :P
I bet there will still be bugs and loopholes. I would bet all of Destroth's current belongings ^^ Burn Highsec Griefers |
Legion Reaver
Crimson Collective The Obsidian Cartel
6
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:31:00 -
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If the original aggressors can now withdraw from a now mutual war then whats the point in declaring it mutual in the first place? How are defenders supposed to ransom their former aggressors now turned victims if they're allowed to leave any time they want? If anything there should be a set fee = to a % of the losses of the defenders required by the aggressors to withdraw from the war. Say 10-25% That way there are still consequences to the aggressors for declaring the war and to make all things mutual defenders who would like to withdraw from a war should have to surrender and meet the demands of the aggressor. |
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad Dec Shield
170
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:39:00 -
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Malchristus wrote:Rellik B00n wrote:tengen wrote:Rellik B00n wrote: What is it with u people?
Literally everytime i find a reason to log in again you fuckin take it away.
I didnt want that game anyway :(
Aren't you in an alliance that was literally created to advocate for this very change? Yes. However i was relying on :CCP: Usually they take years to fix this stuff. What can i say: i like logging in and being at war with half of eve, the original war changes allowed this, dec shield allowed this. The new crimewatch does not allow this in any remotely sensible form. Tres pants. Busted. You spend and average of 9 1/2 hours a day and nearly all of them docked up 1-2 jumps from Jita in Lonetrek. You think you haven't been marked and scouted?
you are a combination of the worst spy and the worst troll ever!
You will in fact mainly find me in Jita shooting stuff as I see fit. I work as a null sec enforcer stopping errant null seccers from straying into using the far inferior empire market in jita.
Doesnt change the fact that once again come the start of December im going to run out of things to shoot/be shot at :( qfmjt-1 |
Malchristus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.11.10 19:21:00 -
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Rellik B00n wrote:Malchristus wrote:Rellik B00n wrote:tengen wrote:Rellik B00n wrote: What is it with u people?
Literally everytime i find a reason to log in again you fuckin take it away.
I didnt want that game anyway :(
Aren't you in an alliance that was literally created to advocate for this very change? Yes. However i was relying on :CCP: Usually they take years to fix this stuff. What can i say: i like logging in and being at war with half of eve, the original war changes allowed this, dec shield allowed this. The new crimewatch does not allow this in any remotely sensible form. Tres pants. Busted. You spend and average of 9 1/2 hours a day and nearly all of them docked up 1-2 jumps from Jita in Lonetrek. You think you haven't been marked and scouted? you are a combination of the worst spy and the worst troll ever!You will in fact mainly find me in Jita shooting stuff as I see fit. I work as a null sec enforcer stopping errant null seccers from straying into using the far inferior empire market in jita. Doesnt change the fact that once again come the start of December im going to run out of things to shoot/be shot at :(
LOL! Sorry had to go three pages deep on that link to find something bigger than a cruiser. My apologies. You are pro.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1864
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Posted - 2012.11.10 19:35:00 -
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Sycho Pathic wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Any chance you guys could have the war dec fee only calculate based on characters currently training a skill? Now that is a good idea. If only the Icelandic Treasure would bless my post with a response on this subject. Just trying to help point out other loop holes and exploits if they are going to be trying to fix the war dec mechanic.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad Dec Shield
170
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Posted - 2012.11.10 19:53:00 -
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Malchristus wrote:LOL! Sorry had to go three pages deep on that link to find something bigger than a cruiser. My apologies. You are pro.
back under your bridge!!! baaaack
google wrote:Your search - battleclinic Malchristus - did not match any documents.
Suggestions: GÇóMake sure all words are spelled correctly. GÇóTry different keywords. GÇóTry more general keywords. GÇóTry fewer keywords.
ps. Ill even bite and say: you try killing things by yourself in the busiest system in the entire EvE cluster, Id like to see you do better.
pps. post with your main
ppps. suggest you stay on topic, which is the war dec situation and not the 'my **** is bigger than yours' situation.
pppps. you're someone I killed arent you? HAHAHAHA qfmjt-1 |
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Maraner
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
221
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Posted - 2012.11.10 20:44:00 -
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So once the wardec is withdrawn is the war ended immediately or is there a cool down / 1 week timer?
Likely this is already posted somewhere apologies if already asked/answered. |
Marian Devers
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
6
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Posted - 2012.11.10 21:09:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:as the person who implemented this fix I must admit I had no idea the goons were war decced or had any problems with it. The only person I've been talking to about war decs is Alekseyev Karrde v0v maybe I should spend less time working on the expansion and more time getting involved in corp/alliance politics in EVE
Let me get this straight. You IMPLEMENTED a fix WITHOUT examining all the current problems with the system? And the only person you ever discussed it with is Alekseyev Karrde? No second opinion or anything, no research on your part? That's some quality effort on your part, that is. I know that Alekseyev Karrde is smart, well-informed, etc., but there's a reason the CSM is more than one person - to get several opinions before acting.
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Reticle
Sight Picture
78
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Posted - 2012.11.10 21:17:00 -
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proving once again that the only way to get things fixed by CCP is to gash a gaping wound in game mechanics.
good job Zerg or Goons or whoever the **** |
Jason Quixos
Dead Pod Syndrome MORE.DPS
3
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Posted - 2012.11.10 21:35:00 -
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Rellik makes me lol. You do stay docked, and redock. You almost lost a muninn 2 days ago if I remember. |
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad Dec Shield
170
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Posted - 2012.11.10 21:40:00 -
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Jason Quixos wrote:Rellik makes me lol. You do stay docked, and redock. You almost lost a muninn 2 days ago if I remember.
I did lose it :(
and a pod :(
total loss of about 400m for a ship that had done well in excess of 2bn damage so I was like 'meh'!
I get killed like everyone else, only I kill 9 ships or pods before i go :) qfmjt-1 |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
3579
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Posted - 2012.11.10 21:40:00 -
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Marian Devers wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:as the person who implemented this fix I must admit I had no idea the goons were war decced or had any problems with it. The only person I've been talking to about war decs is Alekseyev Karrde v0v maybe I should spend less time working on the expansion and more time getting involved in corp/alliance politics in EVE Let me get this straight. You IMPLEMENTED a fix WITHOUT examining all the current problems with the system? And the only person you ever discussed it with is Alekseyev Karrde? No second opinion or anything, no research on your part? That's some quality effort on your part, that is. I know that Alekseyev Karrde is smart, well-informed, etc., but there's a reason the CSM is more than one person - to get several opinions before acting.
lol you can read that out of it if you like but no that's not how it works.
if you want me to be clearer on what I said I'll say Alekseyev was the only person outside of CCP that I talked to on how to fix war decs (and he of course is the CSM's main war dec guy but I talk all of them sort of every day). I don't implement game design fixes without the game designers at CCP telling me what to do and they read the forums and talk to each other blablabla..
so now that's gotten straight. Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
3579
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Posted - 2012.11.10 21:43:00 -
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I think I'll just stop posting in this thread, too many people just like to be angry and take what I say and twist my words. The initial problem in this thread has been solved (for Retribution), some people like the solution and some people don't, that's how it is with all our changes anyways.
fly safe! o7 Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad Dec Shield
170
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Posted - 2012.11.10 21:47:00 -
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oooo
I was just about to praise you for your communication....when you stopped communicating.
I dont mind - you guys just work here, its just everytime something like this happens I get squeezed out of EvE until something else 'breaks''.
The problem is that for about the last 3 years CCPs idea of broken has been my idea of 'fixed'.
im an eve dinosaur with limited playtime - where do I go from here? qfmjt-1 |
None ofthe Above
355
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Posted - 2012.11.10 22:17:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Marian Devers wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:as the person who implemented this fix I must admit I had no idea the goons were war decced or had any problems with it. The only person I've been talking to about war decs is Alekseyev Karrde v0v maybe I should spend less time working on the expansion and more time getting involved in corp/alliance politics in EVE Let me get this straight. You IMPLEMENTED a fix WITHOUT examining all the current problems with the system? And the only person you ever discussed it with is Alekseyev Karrde? No second opinion or anything, no research on your part? That's some quality effort on your part, that is. I know that Alekseyev Karrde is smart, well-informed, etc., but there's a reason the CSM is more than one person - to get several opinions before acting. lol you can read that out of it if you like but no that's not how it works. if you want me to be clearer on what I said I'll say Alekseyev was the only person outside of CCP that I talked to on how to fix war decs (and he of course is the CSM's main war dec guy but I talk all of them sort of every day). I don't implement game design fixes without the game designers at CCP telling me what to do and they read the forums and talk to each other blablabla.. so now that's gotten straight.
Beat me to it. Clearly people are angry and misdirecting it at you Punkturis.
There is a larger discussion to be had about the design of the system. While I am sure Punkturis could contribute some valuable insight to that, that discussion needs to be had with Soniclover and perhaps Soundwave (nothing personal guys, just not happy with some of these designs you pushed out).
Forum warriors, please stop venting at the person implementing the fixes and save it (or preferably rational well constructed discussions) for the people designing the broken systems. Cause we don't want her to stop posting. Aside from missing her sparkling personality, this communication is invaluable to both parties.
I don't always white knight... but when I do, I white knight for CCP Punkturis. (I realize I seem to be white-knighting hard here, but really we do need to get to the heart of the matter and get this back on track. These attacks are deeply misplaced.)
PS - Also a side note: While I am very glad Aleks is involved, I am afraid that although he's really good at representing the pirate/merc's point of view, he's not very good at dealing with the others. He can sympathize with them just enough to represent what keeps them being good targets.
I hope you (all at CCP) don't restrict yourself to just Aleks. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit.
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Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
206
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Posted - 2012.11.10 23:19:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:I think I'll just stop posting in this thread, too many people just like to be angry and take what I say and twist my words. The initial problem in this thread has been solved (for Retribution), some people like the solution and some people don't, that's how it is with all our changes anyways.
fly safe! o7
Just ignore them. Haters gona hate :( Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
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Reticle
Sight Picture
78
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Posted - 2012.11.10 23:26:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:However, we will not be scammed or fooled into releasing people prematurely. You are free when the wardec mechanics are fixed and you can get free on your own, that's always been the goal. If I release you now they couldl half-ass the solution, and then we'll be back at this point in a few months.
Nothing is fixed, until it is fixed. And then we will celebrate together, and non-trivial wardecs can commence once again. Are you suggesting that Punkturis is lying to you for the purpose of getting you to drop war decs?
You proved your point. You got the fix. Done deal. Drop the decs.
Or you can admit that you were just getting in on some high quality griefing. Which is exactly what you were doing. |
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad Dec Shield
170
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Posted - 2012.11.10 23:30:00 -
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Reticle wrote:Or you can admit that you were just getting in on some high quality griefing. Which is exactly what you were doing.
he wasnt, I was.
but as has been noted on many previous occasions everyone at war with Dec Shield STARTED A WAR.
These are no innocents.
he already said he was gonna drop them once this is implemented, you sound like you have a personal axe to grind tbh. qfmjt-1 |
Reticle
Sight Picture
78
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Posted - 2012.11.11 00:20:00 -
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Rellik B00n wrote:Reticle wrote:Or you can admit that you were just getting in on some high quality griefing. Which is exactly what you were doing. he wasnt, I was. but as has been noted on many previous occasions everyone at war with Dec Shield STARTED A WAR. These are no innocents. he already said he was gonna drop them once this is implemented, you sound like you have a personal axe to grind tbh. weak. just weak. very very very weak.
tbh? I'm smart enough not to get caught up in bullshit like this. He's stated his goal as getting a fix. The fix has been announced. End of discussion.
Or did you mean to post as Zerg. I know it can be hard to keep your story straight with so many alts. |
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad Dec Shield
170
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Posted - 2012.11.11 00:28:00 -
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Reticle wrote: tbh? I'm smart enough not to get caught up in bullshit like this.
plainly....
Reticle wrote: He's stated his goal as getting a fix. The fix has been announced. End of discussion.
see, here is your problem:
goal: getting a fix outcome: fix announced BUT NOT IMPLEMENTED.
I said that really loud just in case you are reading impaired.
ergo its not the end of the discussion but im sure you would be bang to rights calling him once the fix is actually implemented, if it ever is.
Reticle wrote: Or did you mean to post as Zerg. I know it can be hard to keep your story straight with so many alts.
poor Zerg, until about a week ago he never heard of me. Ive been playing since 2005 and what i mostly like doing in 2012 is logging in and shooting people in empire: its quick, its easy and I dont need one of the 'M's in 'MMO'.
you should check these things before you make yourself look like a tool...
..oh wait. qfmjt-1 |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1864
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Posted - 2012.11.11 00:36:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:I think I'll just stop posting in this thread, too many people just like to be angry and take what I say and twist my words. The initial problem in this thread has been solved (for Retribution), some people like the solution and some people don't, that's how it is with all our changes anyways.
fly safe! o7 Fair enough. I will open a new thread with the issue I raised earlier in the thread in regards to another exploit/abuse of the current war dec mechanics.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
445
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Posted - 2012.11.11 01:14:00 -
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Right now it sounds like CCP have implemented our second best option to solve the wardec issue. "We continue as is, allowing perfect copying/transfer, instead preventing mutual infinite wardecs"
However I'm no longer sure what their intended design for the wardec system is. I thought they wanted declaring wars to be some sort of commitment, such as locking the aggressor in for at least a week. Now it sounds like we can declare war, kill an offline tower, retract the war, move on to next target. This is how it used to be, and I'm actually good with that.
That fix would solve 95% of all the issues. Which is good. But we were hoping to get lots of the smaller features fixed as well (wardec costs, wardec transfers (solved by the fix), exploits related to surprising enemies in space (semi addressed by notifications), dead corp fixes, surrender mechanic loopholes, etc).
However, it is awesome that they implemented notifications to warn deccers that their targets have joined an alliance. That was very much a step in the right direction, and was one of the little things on our list of awesome that they implemented. I hope they continue along this line and continue to push little changes into the game to make the system more intuitive and balanced. Burn Highsec Griefers |
Reticle
Sight Picture
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Posted - 2012.11.11 01:48:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Right now it sounds like CCP have implemented our second best option to solve the wardec issue. "We continue as is, allowing perfect copying/transfer, instead preventing mutual infinite wardecs"However I'm no longer sure what their intended design for the wardec system is. I thought they wanted declaring wars to be some sort of commitment, such as locking the aggressor in for at least a week. Now it sounds like we can declare war, kill an offline tower, retract the war, move on to next target. This is how it used to be, and I'm actually good with that. That fix would solve 95% of all the issues. Which is good. But we were hoping to get lots of the smaller features fixed as well (wardec costs, wardec transfers (solved by the fix), exploits related to surprising enemies in space (semi addressed by notifications), dead corp fixes, surrender mechanic loopholes, etc). However, it is awesome that they implemented notifications to warn deccers that their targets have joined an alliance. That was very much a step in the right direction, and was one of the little things on our list of awesome that they implemented. I hope they continue along this line and continue to push little changes into the game to make the system more intuitive and balanced. So why didn't you reply to my post?
Do you think Punkturis is lying to you? If not, then you accomplished your goal. Time to drop the decs.
Just admit what we all know, you like the griefing aspect. |
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
445
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Posted - 2012.11.11 02:10:00 -
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Reticle wrote: So why didn't you reply to my post?
Do you think Punkturis is lying to you? If not, then you accomplished your goal. Time to drop the decs.
Just admit what we all know, you like the griefing aspect.
I'm sorry little man, did you want something?
When you can get free on your own means, then the system will be fixed. What part of this is difficult to comprehend? Burn Highsec Griefers |
Challu Ni
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.11.11 08:12:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:I think I'll just stop posting in this thread, too many people just like to be angry and take what I say and twist my words. The initial problem in this thread has been solved (for Retribution), some people like the solution and some people don't, that's how it is with all our changes anyways.
fly safe! o7 Just ignore them. Haters gona hate :(
+1
Folks are clearly unhappy, CCP really dropped the ball on this infinite wardec thing, and now they're being forced to patch it with a mechanism that significantly diminishes the original spirit of the dec overhaul.
Kudos to the OP for forcing the issue.
But pls pay nice people - Punkturis isn't prob the person who should be at the receiving end of your anger =P
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Jake McCord
Greater Metropolis Sanitation Service Barbarian Wine and Cheese Society
38
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Posted - 2012.11.11 08:47:00 -
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Travis117 wrote:They are NOW getting fixed because goons are in a permanent war. Seems ccp responds everytime the goons have a problem -.-it takes them now to actually do say something
Isn't one of the CSM's a member of Goons? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way! Did I mention, I used to live in Chicago? |
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