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LordShazbot Fleet of Fail Usurper. 23	Posted - 2012.11.30 10:39:00 - [301] - Quote So this will still not be fixed come Dec 4th?
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 465	Posted - 2012.11.30 10:54:00 - [302] - Quote LordShazbot wrote: So this will still not be fixed come Dec 4th? No, it will not be fixed. I would like to take this moment to thank people for white knighting for CCP. But like I said. You will all go free when you can get free on your own. I am not releasing any of you early because the system is not fixed. And it is not fixed until it is. I've not been hiding any of the methods I'm using from anyone. There is no reason it shouldn't be fixable. Burn Highsec Griefers
LordShazbot Fleet of Fail Usurper. 23	Posted - 2012.11.30 11:46:00 - [303] - Quote The Zerg Overmind wrote: LordShazbot wrote: So this will still not be fixed come Dec 4th? No, it will not be fixed. I would like to take this moment to thank people for white knighting for CCP. But like I said. You will all go free when you can get free on your own. I am not releasing any of you early because the system is not fixed. And it is not fixed until it is. I've not been hiding any of the methods I'm using from anyone. There is no reason it shouldn't be fixable. That is so not tight butthole. I dislike the constant notifications, it hurts my eyes.
Nguhnn Rama Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.11.30 13:08:00 - [304] - Quote CCP Punkturis wrote: I wish I was as smart as you
Alekseyev Karrde Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 813	Posted - 2012.12.01 04:48:00 - [305] - Quote The Zerg Overmind wrote: LordShazbot wrote: So this will still not be fixed come Dec 4th? No, it will not be fixed. There is no reason it shouldn't be fixable. welcome to my hell. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 473	Posted - 2012.12.01 21:54:00 - [306] - Quote So RvB - RED Federation has just disbanded (3000 players), and we just stole their alliance name so they can't reform. If only there were some mechanic in place to prevent these alliances from being permanently trapped in wars. I'm not even sure they can reform into a new alliance because they're still stuck in outgoing wars. Burn Highsec Griefers
Tah'ris Khlador Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation 256	Posted - 2012.12.01 23:00:00 - [307] - Quote 10 isk says it becomes an "extenuating circumstance" and they get their alliance back.
Xamiakas Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN 3	Posted - 2012.12.01 23:22:00 - [308] - Quote Tah'ris Khlador wrote: 10 isk says it becomes an "extenuating circumstance" and they get their alliance back. would surprise me if ccp would actually grow a pair and.. it wouldn`t happen :D

CCP Tallest C C P C C P Alliance 365	Posted - 2012.12.03 11:01:00 - [309] - Quote The Zerg Overmind wrote: LordShazbot wrote: So this will still not be fixed come Dec 4th? No, it will not be fixed. I would like to take this moment to thank people for white knighting for CCP. But like I said. You will all go free when you can get free on your own. I am not releasing any of you early because the system is not fixed. And it is not fixed until it is. I've not been hiding any of the methods I'm using from anyone. There is no reason it shouldn't be fixable. Try it on Buckingham. You might be surprised.

AssassinationsdoneWrong The Nexus 7's 18	Posted - 2012.12.03 11:17:00 - [310] - Quote CCP Tallest wrote: The Zerg Overmind wrote: LordShazbot wrote: So this will still not be fixed come Dec 4th? No, it will not be fixed. I would like to take this moment to thank people for white knighting for CCP. But like I said. You will all go free when you can get free on your own. I am not releasing any of you early because the system is not fixed. And it is not fixed until it is. I've not been hiding any of the methods I'm using from anyone. There is no reason it shouldn't be fixable. Try it on Buckingham. You might be surprised. I was hoping an announcement an announcement like this was going to be coming on the day before deployment. Well played CCP. Not sure what I think about the Red Fed thing Zerg. You're basically think-tank griefing now. I've noticed corps aren't getting proper instructions on what to do when they join DecShield or on how many players they can be legally shot by. (The surrender list and the begging that comes with it just for us to let some bears out of a mistake they made by misguidedly joining DecShield bear this out). I came into this experience thinking the only annoyance for us was the constant notifications (maybe even get some pew out of it) and that you were doing this solely based on philanthropic reasons but the Red Fed name steal and the lack of any kind of movement on your side suggests there is more to this and you're getting a little too much enjoyment out of being the hand on the mixing spoon. Give Red Fed back their alliance name. You're actually affecting the new player base subbing on a game you claim to be an advocate for. EVELOAN -áchannel is no longer attended. Contact me directly over secured loans needed. AdW

Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 922	Posted - 2012.12.03 11:34:00 - [311] - Quote Tah'ris Khlador wrote: 10 isk says it becomes an "extenuating circumstance" and they get their alliance back. The chance of this happening is pretty close to 100%. Got to grant special protections to groups that CCP likes.
Warde Guildencrantz TunDraGon 331	Posted - 2012.12.03 13:43:00 - [312] - Quote screwing up low entry PvP IS a good reason to force someone to change their alliance name
Reppyk Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD. 213	Posted - 2012.12.03 14:33:00 - [313] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: The chance of this happening is pretty close to 100%. Got to grant special protections to groups that CCP likes. Even another alliance couldn't get this from the devs. I'm really curious what will happen next !
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 490	Posted - 2012.12.03 20:36:00 - [314] - Quote CCP Tallest wrote: The Zerg Overmind wrote: LordShazbot wrote: So this will still not be fixed come Dec 4th? No, it will not be fixed. I would like to take this moment to thank people for white knighting for CCP. But like I said. You will all go free when you can get free on your own. I am not releasing any of you early because the system is not fixed. And it is not fixed until it is. I've not been hiding any of the methods I'm using from anyone. There is no reason it shouldn't be fixable. Try it on Buckingham. You might be surprised. Sweet. So you guys changed the rules at the last moment to stop the new loophole? I'm downloading Buckingham now, but I doubt there's enough time left for me to actually verify things before Retribution goes live ^^ Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 504	Posted - 2012.12.05 23:32:00 - [315] - Quote So an update on what we're seeing so far: 1.) We're not sure if the situation has been fixed. 2.) Wars that are set mutual by the defender can start a 24hr retraction by the aggressor. We set all our wars unmutual right before the expansion to avoid this (and rightfully so, a dropped corp experienced 74 retractions in under 8hrs by staying mutual) 3.) No wars against Dec Shield have ended in the past 48hrs (by random distribution of our 286 wars around 81 should have naturally ended by now), so something is going on 4.) We proposed a new method of maintaining infinite war by a repeating multi-day staggered sequence of dropping corps out of alliance and rejoining a few days later to restore any dropped wars. Under the old rules this would have been effective because the start date of wars were set fresh when a corp joined/left an alliance. Two devs have sworn this is fixed, but not how they fixed it. Our proposed fix was to inherit the start date from the parent war when making a copy to prevent the 7 day extensions. 5.) Corps dropping out of an alliance still do not inherit the start dates of their parent wars. Because of the dev insistence that this loophole won't work we've concluded that all wars have a hidden end-date that isn't visible to the players. It is possible that copied wars now inherit this hidden end-date timer from the parent wars. Thus it's very possible the loophole is closed and we won't know until it's too late. 6.) But using evidence from point 3 above, something has changed with wardec mechanics. Or it's a "feature" we never knew about before because we had never unmutualed wars. As I said, we should of had 81 retractions by now and we've had none. Therefore we've come to believe that the act of unmutualing a war sets the hidden end-date timer back by at least 48hrs (probably 7 days). Therefore, since it's possible to instantly mutual/unmutual a war we've begun tests along these lines to see if unmutualing extends the end-date. We will know for sure in 5 days the results of these tests. Burn Highsec Griefers
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 506	Posted - 2012.12.06 04:22:00 - [316] - Quote It seems it's no longer possible to join a dead corp to an alliance. But they didn't remove the dead corps that are already in the alliances. A corp applies to the alliance, alliance accepts application, corp disbands, corp remains in "accepted" state until the application becomes "effective", then the corp vanishes into thin air. The war declaration message is now incorrect, stating that outgoing wardecs increase in cost based on the number of outgoing wardecs you have. Confirmed that wardecs no longer inflate in cost due to multiple outgoing wars Confirmed that mutual wardecs can be retracted by the aggressor More meaningful bullet points to come as I remember the small changes we've noticed Burn Highsec Griefers
Reppyk Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD. 214	Posted - 2012.12.06 09:36:00 - [317] - Quote So nobody really understands the "simple wardec mechanisms introduced in Inferno/Retribution".
Brib Vogt DC-centre Destiny's Call 4	Posted - 2012.12.06 17:35:00 - [318] - Quote I haven't wrote something in a while. I was hoping for CCP to end it well, but i doubted it. I had so many petitions about the "Copy" mechanism being the root of the problem, but no GM nor any CCP member answered them in a satisfying way. Last petition ended in"It will be fixed". I am so disappointed by CCP responses in this forum. I do not know if you, ZERG, are in direct contact with CCP, but responses like "Try it on Buckingham. You might be surprised" show no professionalism. I started another petition, my last one on this matter, to answer for and to explain the current changes. I have to say, I am not surprised by the actual outcome. To end it i will use some words from my favorite EVE movie crap Crap MEGA CRAP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnKk2ysyNrA
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 506	Posted - 2012.12.07 00:38:00 - [319] - Quote We're still investigating whether or not it's fixed. I could use information from our trapped people: What timestamp is your bill set for these entities? Dec Shield Wardec Flopper Wardec Flipper Wardec Flapper Zerg Hatchery RvB - Red Federation Burn Highsec Griefers
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 3427	Posted - 2012.12.07 01:05:00 - [320] - Quote The Zerg Overmind wrote: We're still investigating whether or not it's fixed. I could use information from our trapped people: What timestamp is your bill set for these entities? Dec Shield Wardec Flopper Wardec Flipper Wardec Flapper Zerg Hatchery RvB - Red Federation Dec Shield: 2012.12.04 05:16 Wardec Flopper: 2012.12.05 20:54 Wardec Flipper: 2012.12.05 07:55 Wardec Flapper: 2012.12.06 04:26 Zerg Hatchery: 2012.12.04 03:29 RvB - Red Federation: 2012.12.07 00:46 Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.

The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 506	Posted - 2012.12.07 01:07:00 - [321] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: The Zerg Overmind wrote: We're still investigating whether or not it's fixed. I could use information from our trapped people: What timestamp is your bill set for these entities? Dec Shield Wardec Flopper Wardec Flipper Wardec Flapper Zerg Hatchery RvB - Red Federation Dec Shield: 2012.12.04 05:16 Wardec Flopper: 2012.12.05 20:54 Wardec Flipper: 2012.12.05 07:55 Wardec Flapper: 2012.12.06 04:26 Zerg Hatchery: 2012.12.04 03:29 RvB - Red Federation: 2012.12.07 00:46 That seems to be when the notifications were sent out. What's the timestamp of when the bill is set for? Burn Highsec Griefers
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 3427	Posted - 2012.12.07 01:09:00 - [322] - Quote Derp, one moment. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 3427	Posted - 2012.12.07 01:18:00 - [323] - Quote Found the due dates, my bad: Dec Shield: 2012.12.11 05:16 Wardec Flipper: 2012.12.11 05:16 Zerg Hatchery: 2012.12.11 03:29 RvB - Red Federation: 2012.12.11 05:16 Wardec Flapper: war not listed in bills Wardec Flopper: war not listed in bills Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 537	Posted - 2012.12.07 01:23:00 - [324] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Found the due dates, my bad: Dec Shield: 2012.12.11 05:16 Wardec Flipper: 2012.12.11 05:16 Zerg Hatchery: 2012.12.11 03:29 RvB - Red Federation: 2012.12.11 05:16 Wardec Flapper: war not listed in bills Wardec Flopper: war not listed in bills This is as we feared. The information I'm receiving from other aggressors is about the same. There is a hidden end-date variable to all the wars, and child wars are inheriting parent war's end-date. This means our proposed exploit of corp dropping and rejoining won't be effective. Both devs were correct in their assessment that this loophole is closed (or at least very hard to time it appropriately to use it). Burn Highsec Griefers
Emu Meo Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.12.09 11:16:00 - [325] - Quote Why do you fear? This is good news then as you have forced CCP to fix the exploit.
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 537	Posted - 2012.12.09 23:13:00 - [326] - Quote I fear that I found a new exploit to keep everyone trapped. I will know for certain on the 12th Burn Highsec Griefers
Emu Meo Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.12.10 12:20:00 - [327] - Quote It looks like CCP is clamping down on it from the patch notes today. But now is a bug which stops us from accessing wardec options. Looks like the fun will soon be over though.
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 543	Posted - 2012.12.11 08:51:00 - [328] - Quote Ya, they're after us hard. Except I don't think they implemented the patch correctly because from our tests no one was able to escape, even after toggling mutuality Burn Highsec Griefers
Malgarin Invictus Australis 2	Posted - 2012.12.11 09:20:00 - [329] - Quote The Zerg Overmind wrote: Ya, they're after us hard. Except I don't think they implemented the patch correctly because from our tests no one was able to escape, even after toggling mutuality Luckily you are chased by retards so you prob have another month of griefing! :)
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Dec Shield 543	Posted - 2012.12.11 09:29:00 - [330] - Quote Malgarin wrote: The Zerg Overmind wrote: Ya, they're after us hard. Except I don't think they implemented the patch correctly because from our tests no one was able to escape, even after toggling mutuality Luckily you are chased by retards so you prob have another month of griefing! :) We do have a corp that's sitting on the sideline just holding mutual wars to see how many we can retain. So far it seems to be in the hundreds. Eventually it'll drop off though. Once everyone who wants to escape has escaped we'll just leave things as mutual and then go into a dormant state until we're needed again. I'll update the main thread with the ruleset for the current wardec system as I understand it shortly Burn Highsec Griefers



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