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Krakhen
Praetors of Orpheus
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:24:00 -
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I was wondering if the materials used to build shipsin the Eve universe are lighter than our RL counterparts? Now I know it's fiction and all but maybe it's explained somewhere in the Eve lore? For example, a modern Nimitz-Class aircraft carrier comes in at 100 000 tons, the same as an Abaddon battleship but at one quarter the lenght (not to mention volume). So maybe the alloys in Eve are much lighter and at the same time more durable?
Anyway, just a super geeky question |
Velarra
Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2012.09.26 14:45:00 -
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While not strictly answering your question, http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tritanium might give a little insight into Eve ships and the metals used to create them. At the very least chalking it up to fictional mineral with curious properties may be one way to explain things. |
Skorpynekomimi
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Posted - 2012.09.26 16:05:00 -
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No, because future material science, not needing to withstand vast amounts of pressure from gravity, and advanced nanotech construction methods. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.09.26 16:06:00 -
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Krakhen wrote:I was wondering if the materials used to build shipsin the Eve universe are lighter than our RL counterparts? Now I know it's fiction and all but maybe it's explained somewhere in the Eve lore? For example, a modern Nimitz-Class aircraft carrier comes in at 100 000 tons, the same as an Abaddon battleship but at one quarter the lenght (not to mention volume). So maybe the alloys in Eve are much lighter and at the same time more durable? Anyway, just a super geeky question
Tried fitting a large armor rep on a nimitz-class carrier. didnt work. |
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
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Posted - 2012.09.26 16:22:00 -
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Krakhen wrote:I was wondering if the materials used to build shipsin the Eve universe are lighter than our RL counterparts?
Mass and volume in the EVE universe differ significantly from our universe. |
Fleet Warpsujarento
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.26 16:26:00 -
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Yeah, EVE volumes and masses are ridiculous.
IIRC most of the ships would float like a hot air balloon if they actually had that little mass. |
Skorpynekomimi
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Posted - 2012.09.27 07:57:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:Yeah, EVE volumes and masses are ridiculous.
IIRC most of the ships would float like a hot air balloon if they actually had that little mass.
Which they would. Briefly. Before they disintegrated due to the structural members burning.
Or did you forget that tritanium is pyrophoric and unstable in an oxygen atmosphere? |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.09.27 11:31:00 -
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also bear in mind thousands of years of research in to physics and alloys beyond any thing we have now.
Imagine the Possibilities of just aluminium and poly carbon just a 1000 years ago, you would have been a god compered to what they were working with. and heaven forbid you had 2 years of tech school so you could make the materials in to functional things to use in trade/war/agricultural/industrial. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec. Were is the FW exclusive frigate sized ship? I see the cruiser and battle ship.......... |
feihcsiM
Last Exit For The Lost Dark Therapy
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Posted - 2012.09.27 12:22:00 -
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And all this assumes that after a space of several thousand years, a trip through the eve gate to a new galaxy, the near-destruction of the new colonies when the gate collapsed, independent evolution of the seperated factions, Jove infuence, several major wars, and another few thousand years, that the metric system has remained completely unchanged and is standardized across all factions.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. |
Tul Breetai
Freelance Wealth Redistribution Specialists Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2012.09.27 13:55:00 -
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feihcsiM wrote:And all this assumes that after a space of several thousand years, a trip through the eve gate to a new galaxy, the near-destruction of the new colonies when the gate collapsed, independent evolution of the seperated factions, Jove infuence, several major wars, and another few thousand years, that the metric system has remained completely unchanged and is standardized across all factions.
Thank Amarr. |
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Dread Pirate Pete
Tribal Core Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.09.27 14:00:00 -
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feihcsiM wrote:And all this assumes that after a space of several thousand years, a trip through the eve gate to a new galaxy, the near-destruction of the new colonies when the gate collapsed, independent evolution of the seperated factions, Jove infuence, several major wars, and another few thousand years, that the metric system has remained completely unchanged and is standardized across all factions.
Just give up and admit measuring things with your feet and thumbs is silly. |
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.27 14:33:00 -
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This is the part that bothers me about "physics" in EVE.
"Wikipeia" wrote:The main building block in space structures. A very hard, yet bendable metal. Cannot be used in human habitats due to its instability at atmospheric temperatures. Very common throughout the world.
So if it becomes unstable at atmospheric temperatures then how does it withstand being hit by all the weapons that generally tend to hit ships' armors?
Now I'll grant that lasers might be "cold" compared to how we understand them (and ignoring the fact that EVE lasers are more like plasma weapons or charged particle emitters than real lasers) given that 80-90f (30-35c) would be enough to make tritanium "unstable," but what about missiles or hybrid weapons? Hell, for that matter some projectile weapon ammo relies on creating miniature nuclear explosions. I don't think I've ever heard of a "cold" nuclear explosion. |
Donnerjack Wolfson
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.27 18:07:00 -
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feihcsiM wrote:And all this assumes that after a space of several thousand years, a trip through the eve gate to a new galaxy, the near-destruction of the new colonies when the gate collapsed, independent evolution of the seperated factions, Jove infuence, several major wars, and another few thousand years, that the metric system has remained completely unchanged and is standardized across all factions.
That's because the metric system makes ******* sense.
Goddamn imperial units hnngh |
Donnerjack Wolfson
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.27 18:08:00 -
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Shereza wrote:This is the part that bothers me about "physics" in EVE. "Wikipeia" wrote:The main building block in space structures. A very hard, yet bendable metal. Cannot be used in human habitats due to its instability at atmospheric temperatures. Very common throughout the world. So if it becomes unstable at atmospheric temperatures then how does it withstand being hit by all the weapons that generally tend to hit ships' armors? Now I'll grant that lasers might be "cold" compared to how we understand them (and ignoring the fact that EVE lasers are more like plasma weapons or charged particle emitters than real lasers) given that 80-90f (30-35c) would be enough to make tritanium "unstable," but what about missiles or hybrid weapons? Hell, for that matter some projectile weapon ammo relies on creating miniature nuclear explosions. I don't think I've ever heard of a "cold" nuclear explosion. The armoring is ablative, and not tritanium, IIRC.
Also, a very small nuclear explosion is practically indistinguishable from a certain sized normal explosion (don't ask me how big I don't have access to my data tables) |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.09.27 18:57:00 -
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Shereza wrote:This is the part that bothers me about "physics" in EVE. "Wikipeia" wrote:The main building block in space structures. A very hard, yet bendable metal. Cannot be used in human habitats due to its instability at atmospheric temperatures. Very common throughout the world. So if it becomes unstable at atmospheric temperatures then how does it withstand being hit by all the weapons that generally tend to hit ships' armors? Now I'll grant that lasers might be "cold" compared to how we understand them (and ignoring the fact that EVE lasers are more like plasma weapons or charged particle emitters than real lasers) given that 80-90f (30-35c) would be enough to make tritanium "unstable," but what about missiles or hybrid weapons? Hell, for that matter some projectile weapon ammo relies on creating miniature nuclear explosions. I don't think I've ever heard of a "cold" nuclear explosion. Last I checked, nukes were a lot hotter than normal atmospheric temperatures.
However, in some sort of backstory bit (can't remember where) its clarified that it is atmospheric oxygen that causes the issue, not the temperature. |
Maeltstome
Caldari Deep Space Ventures Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.09.29 09:42:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:No, because future material science, not needing to withstand vast amounts of pressure from gravity, and advanced nanotech construction methods.
This. |
Skorpynekomimi
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Posted - 2012.09.30 09:31:00 -
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Donnerjack Wolfson wrote:Shereza wrote:This is the part that bothers me about "physics" in EVE. "Wikipeia" wrote:The main building block in space structures. A very hard, yet bendable metal. Cannot be used in human habitats due to its instability at atmospheric temperatures. Very common throughout the world. So if it becomes unstable at atmospheric temperatures then how does it withstand being hit by all the weapons that generally tend to hit ships' armors? Now I'll grant that lasers might be "cold" compared to how we understand them (and ignoring the fact that EVE lasers are more like plasma weapons or charged particle emitters than real lasers) given that 80-90f (30-35c) would be enough to make tritanium "unstable," but what about missiles or hybrid weapons? Hell, for that matter some projectile weapon ammo relies on creating miniature nuclear explosions. I don't think I've ever heard of a "cold" nuclear explosion. The armoring is ablative, and not tritanium, IIRC. Also, a very small nuclear explosion is practically indistinguishable from a certain sized normal explosion (don't ask me how big I don't have access to my data tables)
Yield of nuclear weapons is measured in the equivalent of tons in TNT that it would take to replicate the blast. Hence, the kiloton or megaton as a measurement of yield. Yes, thousands or millions of tons of TNT. |
CaptainFalcon07
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.09.30 23:52:00 -
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Wouldn't combining tritanium with other minerals stop its volatile nature? Just like combining carbon steel with chromium to make stainless steel which is much more resistant to rust and corrosion compared to regular steel.
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