how to be an an arrogant, smug, condescending douche

see the OP for more details

are you trying to inflame the debate & get my thread locked SkipperMonkey?

No but seriously, touche.

CCP Gargant, do you copy pasta those responses straight out of the how to be an an arrogant, smug, condescending douche manual? I'm surprised you guys haven't banned that too & had it burned.
My life is colourful language, I thought the real 'offensive' stuff was taken care of with the 'filter'. So I'm not allowed to use colourful language here either?
I'm so sorry I made you 'sigh', it seems only fair though because I can guarantee I'm not the only visitor groaning audibly every time I read some indescribably average, over zealous reason for locking yet another thread.


tell you what, rate my avatar & give me a like will you, I feel a sudden desire to start a facebook account.

thanks ::smiley emoticon bs::

Pft give it up already

We get it, your annoyed, get in line over here Correct thread for this discussion

You made a pointless thread, it got locked, you made another one, its gonna get locked, what part of this process confuses you?

Colorful language that I find completely unnecessary includes words like armchair fascists, pricks, butt frustrated, samefag and low life douchebags. I'm still letting a few of our rules slide in that post such as not being allowed to discuss moderation.

I am an avid supporter of criticism, opinion and discussion. If you leave out the insults and the attacks, you can convey a different point or disagree with someone strongly. Just do it within the rules.

The part where the reasons for locking the thread in general discussion is 'Colourful Language' that made him sigh' oh the humanity!

Please don't insult my intelligence, give me the real reason. We have guidelines that don't allow criticism of the game of any opinions we don't like, it's bad for business. Remember the greed is good debacle?

Colorful language that I find completely unnecessary includes words like armchair fascists, pricks, butt frustrated, samefag and low life douchebags. I'm still letting a few of our rules slide in that post such as not being allowed to discuss moderation.

I am an avid supporter of criticism, opinion and discussion. If you leave out the insults and the attacks, you can convey a different point or disagree with someone strongly. Just do it within the rules.

At this point you are allowed to choose between this and this.

The part where the reasons for locking the thread in general discussion is 'Colourful Language' that made him sigh' oh the humanity!

Please don't insult my intelligence, give me the real reason. We have guidelines that don't allow criticism of the game of any opinions we don't like, it's bad for business. Remember the greed is good debacle?

It's a shame none of this extreme enforcement of 'rules' doesn't apply to the actual in-game content created by the very same players who come here everyday. I'm pretty sure no one is objecting to 'colourful language' in Ren's local or Jita where infractions of the rules would be committed almost 60 times a minute. Seems slightly incongruous & dare I say it hypocritical.

It's a shame none of this extreme enforcement of 'rules' doesn't apply to the actual in-game content created by the very same players who come here everyday. I'm pretty sure no one is objecting to 'colourful language' in Ren's local or Jita where infractions of the rules would be committed almost 60 times a minute. Seems slightly incongruous & dare I say it hypocritical.

The effort it takes to get a dev to post on the forums.

The in-game chat does not carry a rating which is clearly stated before you sign into the client, the eve forums however carry a 12 rating and therefore have to be moderated for language, what's hypocritical is you trying to state rules when you clearly pay no attention to them...

I'm not trying to insult your intelligence or berate you in any way.

That's not the topic of discussion here. The in-game chat channels follow other rules and are moderated by other people. What I'm saying is that if you leave out the name calling and scale back the amount of bad manner in your discussions on the forums and thus post constructively, I'm ready to err on your side and maybe even let a few things slide.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to insult your intelligence or berate you in any way. I'm just trying to list my approach to the moderating I do. I bring that approach to all of the discussions I am included in, and being pretty loud I usually make sure my point of view is heard.

Pft give it up already

We get it, your annoyed, get in line over here Correct thread for this discussion

You made a pointless thread, it got locked, you made another one, its gonna get locked, what part of this process confuses you?

At this point you are allowed to choose between this and this.

Ok, I'm responding this one last time because I tire of talking to you Uncle Tom's.
The forums always had moderation,
They have a language filter
Nothing will ever be perfect but..
Now we have volunteers locking every thread in sight because of any arbitrary non reason you care to pick.
It makes me suspicious & I believe it's doing the forums a disservice.
That clear enough for you?
|My thread was always going to be locked, I knew that but I felt it was necessary for me to have a say anyway.
The mod objected to my deliberate use of 'colourful language' fair enough, but I still maintain the thread would have been locked had I not used 'colourful language'.
Any thread can be locked for any reason at any time, & they are being locked for offensive reasons.

LOL

This is definitely the kind of activity the OP is engaging in.... :)

Colorful language that I find completely unnecessary includes words like armchair fascists, pricks, butt frustrated, samefag and low life douchebags. I'm still letting a few of our rules slide in that post such as not being allowed to discuss moderation.

I am an avid supporter of criticism, opinion and discussion. If you leave out the insults and the attacks, you can convey a different point or disagree with someone strongly. Just do it within the rules.

That's just brutal.

What happened to 'sandbox' and 'cold, dark and harsh world' ? Or doesn't that apply to the forums?

What happened to 'sandbox' and 'cold, dark and harsh world' ? Or doesn't that apply to the forums?

Stuff




pst, I can be ISD now please?

ok fine, sorry for the name calling.

Could you guys please do something about the ridiculous moderation in the general forums, it's doing the forums a disservice to have threads on interesting topics locked because of a few trolls or minor infractions of the 'rules'.

And no, this isn't the solution but it is a means to it. If need be, I'll create a very inspiring video guide on how to post constructively and then another one on how to be a fair and beautiful moderator.

Yes.

I you guys believe the hammer was mishandled anywhere on the forums, shoot the community team a petition with the thread / post, here:

https://support.eveonline.com/Pages/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fPages%2fPetitions%2fMyPetitions.aspx

Choose the Other Issues category and the Community subcategory.

And no, this isn't the solution but it is a means to it. If need be, I'll create a very inspiring video guide on how to post constructively and then another one on how to be a fair and beautiful moderator.

YOU WANT ME TO PUT THE HAMMER DOWN!?

Colorful language that I find completely unnecessary includes words like armchair fascists, pricks, butt frustrated, samefag and low life douchebags. I'm still letting a few of our rules slide in that post such as not being allowed to discuss moderation.

I am an avid supporter of criticism, opinion and discussion. If you leave out the insults and the attacks, you can convey a different point or disagree with someone strongly. Just do it within the rules.

And no, this isn't the solution but it is a means to it. If need be, I'll create a very inspiring video guide on how to post constructively and then another one on how to be a fair and beautiful moderator.

At this point you are allowed to choose between this and this.

And no, this isn't the solution but it is a means to it. If need be, I'll create a very inspiring video guide on how to post constructively and then another one on how to be a fair and beautiful moderator.

I you guys believe the hammer was mishandled anywhere on the forums, shoot the community team a petition with the thread / post, here:

https://support.eveonline.com/Pages/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fPages%2fPetitions%2fMyPetitions.aspx

Choose the Other Issues category and the Community subcategory.

And no, this isn't the solution but it is a means to it. If need be, I'll create a very inspiring video guide on how to post constructively and then another one on how to be a fair and beautiful moderator.

Why isn't the "report post" flag an appropriate way to report incidents of poor moderation (or at least the reader's perception of poor moderation)? Even in locked threads, the "report post" flag is still active. And it seems substantially easier on the person reporting. Petitions are widely (*WIDELY*) believed to be ineffective black holes into which earnest players send their pleas and which CCP lackadaisically reviews ("Sorry, but it's Summertime and everyone is on vacation and oh gosh we couldn't foresee such a thing as a season...") or worse, outright discards with abandon.

MDD

Reporting posts here in the forums themselves is a very good practice and you should absolutely keep doing that. However, a petition is a two way conversation with an employee of CCP. We don't necessarily respond to reports we receive here on the forums (while we do of course investigate every reported post) but you will always receive a reply. We never discard a received petition, ever.

P.S: OP you spelled color wrong

CCP Gargant, do you copy pasta those responses straight out of the how to be an an arrogant, smug, condescending douche manual? I'm surprised you guys haven't banned that too & had it burned.
My life is colourful language, I thought the real 'offensive' stuff was taken care of with the 'filter'. So I'm not allowed to use colourful language here either?
I'm so sorry I made you 'sigh', it seems only fair though because I can guarantee I'm not the only visitor groaning audibly every time I read some indescribably average, over zealous reason for locking yet another thread.


tell you what, rate my avatar & give me a like will you, I feel a sudden desire to start a facebook account.

thanks ::smiley emoticon bs::

Um, no he didn't. You're just used to using a bastardized American version of the English language.

At this point you are allowed to choose between this and this.

Humm!

With the coming major change in Internet Law in the UK, where CCP's servers are based.
I can see why they are getting a bit touchy about 'Colourful Language'

Soon we will all have to be very civil and proper to each other

Insult someone enough and they will be able to force CCP to give them the posters real name & address. Without having to go through court.

OH! and the defence it is 'Only a Game' wont cut the mustard either as 'Online Video Games' will be covered by this law!

BBC Technology - Websites to be forced to identify trolls under new measures

Good luck with that UK. You're going to need it.

Okay, so "The Liberal Democrats are the most useless organisation in existence" gets deleted without a word, but this flagrant discussion of moderation is given dev encouragement? Huh...

Well if it was truly a 'cold, dark and harsh world' on the forums then a community dude could come along and ban you permanently for no reason. That would be the epitome of harsh

Thankfully, we adhere to guidelines and the first of those guidelines are that this is a teen rated forum and the language used should reflect that.

I know, I know but 'maybe you should do this and that so I can just hurl invective when I want.'

No. The end.

It jut seems very strange that you have such different rules on the forums. People in game have all kinds of foul language hurled at them and are attacked without provocation losing much more than is possible to lose on the forums.

Or can I get a player banned for calling me names in-game?

Why are the forums 'teen rated' and the game itself not? Doesn't make much sense.

That's not the topic of discussion here. The in-game chat channels follow other rules and are moderated by other people. What I'm saying is that if you leave out the name calling and scale back the amount of bad manner in your discussions on the forums and thus post constructively, I'm ready to err on your side and maybe even let a few things slide.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to insult your intelligence or berate you in any way. I'm just trying to list my approach to the moderating I do. I bring that approach to all of the discussions I am included in, and being pretty loud I usually make sure my point of view is heard.

But Butt-frustrated is an awesome word

Colorful language that I find completely unnecessary includes words like armchair fascists, pricks, butt frustrated, samefag and low life douchebags. I'm still letting a few of our rules slide in that post such as not being allowed to discuss moderation.

I am an avid supporter of criticism, opinion and discussion. If you leave out the insults and the attacks, you can convey a different point or disagree with someone strongly. Just do it within the rules.

If need be, I'll create a very inspiring video guide ...[snip]... on how to be a fair and beautiful moderator.

See why can't more threads be like this. Instead of the blanket "locked for discussing X" actually discuss the reasonings behind it.

See why can't more threads be like this. Instead of the blanket "locked for discussing X" actually discuss the reasonings behind it.

That's not the topic of discussion here. The in-game chat channels follow other rules and are moderated by other people. What I'm saying is that if you leave out the name calling and scale back the amount of bad manner in your discussions on the forums and thus post constructively, I'm ready to err on your side and maybe even let a few things slide.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to insult your intelligence or berate you in any way. I'm just trying to list my approach to the moderating I do. I bring that approach to all of the discussions I am included in, and being pretty loud I usually make sure my point of view is heard.

Why does it matter what particular language he chooses? What does that have to do with anything? Why do the devs and ISD keep inserting themselves into threads by making value judgements about the content of posts? If it isn't hate speech or violate any laws, what's the problem? Seriously. What exactly is the problem? If I post a thread that says all Goons are morally bankrupt, do you really need to come in and lock that thread? Why? Is the clutter of crappy threads like that any worse than the clutter of crappy threads like the Avatar Next to You bullshit?

Too often these days you guys are engaging in completely unnecessary moderation in defense of some ill conceived sense of what's "appropriate." Again, why does it matter how he or anyone else says it? What does it matter if a thread devolves into two guys saying "No, you are" again and again? If people don't want to read that, they don't have to. If you go back to the old forums, you didn't do this sort of moderation. If you look carefully, you'll also see a lot less crap threads created for baiting the moderators by people posting outrageously, egregiously profane and insulting threads. Every time you do this kind of moderation the troll army starts feeding you more crap. They're creating work for you.

The issue that is pissing off so many people is that you guys are moderating inconsistently and you're engaged in selective enforcment. In this thread you specifically say you're "letting things slide." If the rules are the rules and the reasons for the rules are incredibly important, then you don't have the option of letting it slide. And if you're letting it slide here, for this, what else will you let slide? What is the value judgement being made? It seems clear that enforcement is selective if you or ISD Type40 or whomever can decide to let things slide or annihilate a post and ban the poster. It is inevitable that people will see these sorts of edits as biased. We can easily see and compare the edits to those posts that weren't edited and the posters who weren't muzzled. Like the one in THIS thread calling the OP a moronic douchebag, a word you specifically say isn't permitted, and you say it in THIS thread. Eventually you're going to be forced into moderating these forums like it was Hello Kitty Adventures because that's the only way to enforce the kind of consistency necessary to control the speech of 400k subscribers.

Please, take a few steps back and answer the most basic of questions. Why are the rules what they are? What is their real intent? What is necessary and what is simply arbitrary? Are you going to recognize that the forums are part of the game and the game is being played out on the forums (yes, there are propaganda wars, information wars, and wars of features/ideas/fixes going on here)? In a game where the rules and parameters of the game are themselves up for grabs, the forums serve as just another battlefield. When you make arbitrary value judgements about the content of posts, you're making decisions about how players play the game, which is something you guys absolutely don't do; its part of the CCP ethos.

That doesn't mean that aren't perfectly valid reasons for moderation, like hate speech or threats of RL violence. Moderating a whiny douchebag like the OP may feel good, but it isn't actually necessary.

The part where the reasons for locking the thread in general discussion is 'Colourful Language' that made him sigh' oh the humanity!

Please don't insult my intelligence, give me the real reason. We have guidelines that don't allow criticism of the game of any opinions we don't like, it's bad for business. Remember the greed is good debacle?

Why does it matter what particular language he chooses? What does that have to do with anything? Why do the devs and ISD keep inserting themselves into threads by making value judgements about the content of posts? If it isn't hate speech or violate any laws, what's the problem? Seriously. What exactly is the problem? If I post a thread that says all Goons are morally bankrupt, do you really need to come in and lock that thread? Why? Is the clutter of crappy threads like that any worse than the clutter of crappy threads like the Avatar Next to You bullshit?

Too often these days you guys are engaging in completely unnecessary moderation in defense of some ill conceived sense of what's "appropriate." Again, why does it matter how he or anyone else says it? What does it matter if a thread devolves into two guys saying "No, you are" again and again? If people don't want to read that, they don't have to. If you go back to the old forums, you didn't do this sort of moderation. If you look carefully, you'll also see a lot less crap threads created for baiting the moderators by people posting outrageously, egregiously profane and insulting threads. Every time you do this kind of moderation the troll army starts feeding you more crap. They're creating work for you.

The issue that is pissing off so many people is that you guys are moderating inconsistently and you're engaged in selective enforcment. In this thread you specifically say you're "letting things slide." If the rules are the rules and the reasons for the rules are incredibly important, then you don't have the option of letting it slide. And if you're letting it slide here, for this, what else will you let slide? What is the value judgement being made? It seems clear that enforcement is selective if you or ISD Type40 or whomever can decide to let things slide or annihilate a post and ban the poster. It is inevitable that people will see these sorts of edits as biased. We can easily see and compare the edits to those posts that weren't edited and the posters who weren't muzzled. Like the one in THIS thread calling the OP a moronic douchebag, a word you specifically say isn't permitted, and you say it in THIS thread. Eventually you're going to be forced into moderating these forums like it was Hello Kitty Adventures because that's the only way to enforce the kind of consistency necessary to control the speech of 400k subscribers.

Please, take a few steps back and answer the most basic of questions. Why are the rules what they are? What is their real intent? What is necessary and what is simply arbitrary? Are you going to recognize that the forums are part of the game and the game is being played out on the forums (yes, there are propaganda wars, information wars, and wars of features/ideas/fixes going on here)? In a game where the rules and parameters of the game are themselves up for grabs, the forums serve as just another battlefield. When you make arbitrary value judgements about the content of posts, you're making decisions about how players play the game, which is something you guys absolutely don't do; its part of the CCP ethos.

That doesn't mean that aren't perfectly valid reasons for moderation, like hate speech or threats of RL violence. Moderating a whiny douchebag like the OP may feel good, but it isn't actually necessary.

Why does it matter what particular language he chooses? What does that have to do with anything? Why do the devs and ISD keep inserting themselves into threads by making value judgements about the content of posts?

Too often these days you guys are engaging in completely unnecessary moderation in defense of some ill conceived sense of what's "appropriate." Again, why does it matter how he or anyone else says it? What does it matter if a thread devolves into two guys saying "No, you are" again and again? If people don't want to read that, they don't have to. If you go back to the old forums, you didn't do this sort of moderation. If you look carefully, you'll also see a lot less crap threads created for baiting the moderators by people posting outrageously, egregiously profane and insulting threads. Every time you do this kind of moderation the troll army starts feeding you more crap. They're creating work for you.



That doesn't mean that aren't perfectly valid reasons for moderation, like hate speech or threats of RL violence. Moderating a whiny douchebag like the OP may feel good, but it isn't actually necessary.

Us children read these forums and colourful words are offensive.

When I say children, I mean us men in our 40 somethings going thought our second child hood

Contrary to popular belief, the forums are not the game environment... and quite purposefully operate under a different rule set.

This is a privately owned forum, and they can moderate it any way they wish. Frankly, they DO allow a lot of garbage on this forum that you would get the boot for elsewhere... but they do have clear rules in place that they can refer to when they get tired of our crap.

Colorful language that I find completely unnecessary includes words like armchair fascists, pricks, butt frustrated, samefag and low life douchebags

are you trying to inflame the debate & get my thread locked SkipperMonkey?

No but seriously, touche.