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wayz
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Posted - 2005.03.05 13:59:00 -
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ok I'm sure everyone will agree that escrow needs some kind of moderation, I personally have never losta single isk due to a scam escrow but I'm sure a lot of people have.
WORST CASE SCENARIO
noob saves up over a months to get his first battleship, he looks on escrow and thinks 'hey thats a good deal'
being a noob he doesnt inspect the escrow and ends up with a peice of tritthathas cost him 100 million isk.
its pretty muchguarenteed that the next day that noob will no longer have an eve-online account
WELL WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT? YOU CANT EXPECT THE DEVS TO CHECK EVERY ESCROW!
ok I think there should eb a volounteer programme for players to inspect escrows, and there should be some kind of severe punishment for repeat escrow scammers such as hefty isk fines or even booting from the game. Voulonteers check escrows and petition fake escrows to the game masters who then remove them. volounteer players could maybe even be given powers to remove the escrows themselves.
I really beleive that this is a burning issue that really should be addressed. I for one would volounteer for such a project. I'm not saying this idea would completely defeat escrow scamming but it would at least severely cut it down!
cmon guys lets all support this, no one wants people who do stuff like that on the game anyway. Its bad for new players, its bad for ccp and its bad for established players. Its been mentioned on these forums a few times how noobs dont seem to trust established players at all and this kind of thing is why. Lets take steps to clean up house before this game ends up liek ultima online. When I started playing eve I applauded the eve community and to an extend still do, eve online has a much better online community than any other online game but scammers and people who simply want to spoil the game for everyone else are spoiling it for everyone.
Wayz: cmon X hurry up I aint got all day!
Twisted Xistance: oh yeah lol.... anyway, you have got all day you benefit scrounging jobbless schmoe!
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.03.05 14:03:00 -
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all thats needed is for the devs to ban it, really its all nice and good that people have opportuniy to scam but escrow is 50 - 60 % scams, its just got to the point were a few scammers are ruining a part of the game for many others.
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wayz
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Posted - 2005.03.05 14:20:00 -
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thats exactly my point, anyway while we wait for a respose I think its time for a bit of name and shame, I'm in ebodold at the mom looking through escrows so here goes.
THE SHAME LIST -you people make me sick-
Tester 03 - zw-4100 seige (6 escrows for 29 mill that are in actual fact 10 water) also 5 escrows at 57.5 mill (arablest seige) that are all in actual fact 10 water.
Watching - a escrow for 350 mill named +4 implant which turns out to just be a cheap crappy implant.
de seis - 3 escrows at 13.2 million named cap recharger 2 which all turn out to be 1 tritanium (I've seen this guy doing the same with battleships to) I know for a fact this guy does this kind of thing on masse.
trishy electra - 3 escrows at 9.9 mill (supposedly cap recharger II's but turn out to be cap recharger I's)
thats just some
Wayz: cmon X hurry up I aint got all day!
Twisted Xistance: oh yeah lol.... anyway, you have got all day you benefit scrounging jobbless schmoe!
Wayz: too chey :) |
Kunming
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Posted - 2005.03.05 14:33:00 -
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True, escrow is pretty much ruined. I use it only to transfer assets between corp members or for indirect trade with a shop (f.ex. NAGA).
The actual reason why we have escrow would be to encourage trade and help the small man/corp to have an opportunity to make some ISK with trading. Which is sadly spammed with scamms. Though I dont think CCP has much time at hand to take a look at such matters; after all the majority would agree that they rather fix, balance the game than to spend time on less important things which dont effect the whole game.
A volountary program is a nice idea and might be an option IMO.
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Synthemesc
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Posted - 2005.03.05 14:39:00 -
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I use escrow all the time. My only grievance with the scams is they make real items scroll off, and there are just so many of them. I've never ever fallen for one so apart from that fact they don't bother me.
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Nihn Lemai
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Posted - 2005.03.05 14:48:00 -
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Ive lost a friend to that "worst case scenario" described. Feel sorry for him, although it was a cruiser not a battleship, he spent over a week running agent missions in a frigate just to get that cruiser. A couple of hours a day. When he got all the millions needed he bought one from escrow. I told him to inspect but i guess he was to excited. He was scammed and bought a shuttle. He couldnt take it. At first he tried to start doing agent missions again but cancelled the account two days later.
It would be so easy just to add a petition category "escrow scam", the devs look it up and if it is a scam, its dealt with. Not hard to do...
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.03.05 14:48:00 -
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Yea this should be sorted easy by concord or the 1s how run the markets, escrow logs everthing & the ingame orforities should easyly be able to deal with this by bannign that person from escrow or fines.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2005.03.05 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Dust Puppy on 05/03/2005 15:06:50
I think scam should be in game. Having said that then I would regardless like to see something done about the escrow not because I would ever fall for such a scam but just because most of the deals there are scams (not very convincing one at that). I don't think that putting more work on the GM's is the way to go. One way might be to let you rate your purchase, the seller could then build up a reputation and you might even sort he escrow by sellers rating.
You can of course just get a good reputation by having your friend by a lot of junk from you and rate you as "da bomb". this could then be countered by letting each additional rating you give to a player weighs less. Also I somehow think that the escrow scams are the lazy mans scams meaning that you log in an alt, buy a shuttle, put shuttle on escrow as BS and then log in the main.
Edit: Then there is ofcourse the rumoured contract system that might fix all this.
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.03.05 16:40:00 -
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The obvious scams are something I'd like to see gone from the game. One problem, however, is defining where "scam" begins and "high Price" ends.
Selling a piece of trit as a Raven is an obvious scam.
But 100,000isk shuttles in deep 0.0 are a good deal as far as I am concerned. Even 1,000,000 isk shuttles in deep 0.0 are not a scam in my opinion (but are over priced).
A problem here is defining a 'scam'.
The most clear cut would be to define scams as cases where the advertised item is not what is sold, such as the case of the Cap Charger Is being sold as Cap Charger IIs, or units of trit being advertised as Ravens.
But be warned: Make new rules, and the scammers will act like water, quickly finding every possible hole and abuse that they can get away with under the new rules.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.03.05 17:08:00 -
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Escrow has been changed now, even if you dont inspect and just click on claim you will get a popup box comfirming whats on the escrow:
e.g.
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You are about to claim escrow which contains:
1 item of Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
It expires in 6 days 3 hours 53 minutes 38 seconds and will cost you 60,000,000.00 ISK.
Do you still want to continue with this action?
I doubt many players will get scammed with that in place.
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Immortality
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Posted - 2005.03.05 17:12:00 -
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Maybe at least add a little tid bit about escrow in the tutorial, and its ups and downs, such as scamming. 
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Watching
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Posted - 2005.03.05 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: wayz
thats exactly my point, anyway while we wait for a respose I think its time for a bit of name and shame, I'm in ebodold at the mom looking through escrows so here goes.
THE SHAME LIST -you people make me sick-
Watching - a escrow for 350 mill named +4 implant which turns out to just be a cheap crappy implant.
I cannot speak for the others, however my escrow states +4 intelligence implant and that is EXACTLY what it contains. How about you get your facts straight before you slander people on these boards
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2005.03.05 19:11:00 -
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deseis IS A BIG SCAMMER
LOL, I'll look down the list and ill see every BS and named mod...all a unit of trit...i just laugh...sucka noob
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.03.05 19:11:00 -
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Let the devs finish the contract system, and Escrow will go bye-bye.
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Fredbob
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Posted - 2005.03.05 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Watching
Originally by: wayz
thats exactly my point, anyway while we wait for a respose I think its time for a bit of name and shame, I'm in ebodold at the mom looking through escrows so here goes.
THE SHAME LIST -you people make me sick-
Watching - a escrow for 350 mill named +4 implant which turns out to just be a cheap crappy implant.
I cannot speak for the others, however my escrow states +4 intelligence implant and that is EXACTLY what it contains. How about you get your facts straight before you slander people on these boards
lol, that cracked me up 
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Watching
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Posted - 2005.03.05 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Fredbob
lol, that cracked me up
Glad someone is amused with it
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Nyk0n
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Posted - 2005.03.05 21:17:00 -
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How about making it only non marketable items, and items located at conqorable stations that are allowed into escrow??
I see no reason that items that can be put on the market should be in escrow
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.03.05 21:47:00 -
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Once more, make ignore hide escrow items from the ignored person, and make ignore a chosable option alongside view and buy on the escrow screen.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Droidster
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Posted - 2005.03.05 21:51:00 -
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could not agree more -- the escrow needs to be protected against scams
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Polaris Lumine
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Posted - 2005.03.05 21:56:00 -
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Tbh, any item you find on Escrow which can be purchased in the market AND which is readily available as such, needs inspecting before you part with your isk. Why would someone put a Raven up on escrow when they could sell it twice as quick through the market (and leave the sell order up there for 3 months instead of a week in any case)?
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.03.05 21:59:00 -
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A simple "report scam" button could point out the scammers to a mod, who whould then promptly remove said scammers escrow rights.
This doesn't eliminate scams, of course (they are a part of the game, after all), but it will eliminate the spam. Or at least lessen it a bit.
I guess there would be a few false hits, but the mods could certainly discourage that by punishing someone who keeps crying wolf.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2005.03.05 22:16:00 -
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Escrow is like Ebay. Trust is based on reputation of the seller. Currently there is no reputation.
So fix this just like Ebay. Provide a "feedback" for sellers and allow it to show on the escrow screen. Simple.
Reputable sellers will be shown as such. And scammers will be quite clearly shown. Viola. Problem solved.
I understand that scammers are, in a way, a good thing to have. However, when it costs a noob who lacks the experience to differentiate between a good deal and a scam millions of isk and causes them to quit. Well that is financially bad for CCP. We need to work on gaining and retaining membership. Even if that means holding newbs hands so they can't be scammed right out of the game.
Of course, if you could actually FIND the person who scammed you and pod his arse it would be ok. But seeing as how you can't track assets passed from scam alt to scam alt putting overly restrictive carebear protections on escrow is probably necessary to keep players.
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.03.05 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Polaris Lumine
Tbh, any item you find on Escrow which can be purchased in the market AND which is readily available as such, needs inspecting before you part with your isk. Why would someone put a Raven up on escrow when they could sell it twice as quick through the market (and leave the sell order up there for 3 months instead of a week in any case)?
get around market fee's
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Polaris Lumine
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Posted - 2005.03.06 00:11:00 -
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Except this was happening before market fees were introduced. Also market fees are hardly worth worrying about when selling a raven
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2005.03.06 02:56:00 -
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the new "Contract System," going to fix all this?
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2005.03.06 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Synthemesc
I use escrow all the time. My only grievance with the scams is they make real items scroll off, and there are just so many of them. I've never ever fallen for one so apart from that fact they don't bother me.
Same here, exept I cant be bothered to spend so much time sorting the scams from the proper items any more.
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wayz
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Posted - 2005.03.06 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Watching
Originally by: Fredbob
lol, that cracked me up
Glad someone is amused with it
If I was wrong then I apologise, but a +4 is named a standard implant is it now, yours was not named standard implant
Wayz: cmon X hurry up I aint got all day!
Twisted Xistance: oh yeah lol.... anyway, you have got all day you benefit scrounging jobbless schmoe!
Wayz: too chey :) |
Novarei
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Posted - 2005.03.06 12:21:00 -
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in future any noobs with 100 mil isk just give to me, I will put it to good use :D
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Ky Vatta
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Posted - 2005.03.06 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Polaris Lumine
Tbh, any item you find on Escrow which can be purchased in the market AND which is readily available as such, needs inspecting before you part with your isk. Why would someone put a Raven up on escrow when they could sell it twice as quick through the market (and leave the sell order up there for 3 months instead of a week in any case)?
It may be due to the fact that Escrow is not just solely regional, thus being available to everyone...pity bout the scams tho
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Basileus
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Posted - 2005.03.06 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: wayz
ok I think there should eb a volounteer programme for players to inspect escrows, and there should be some kind of severe punishment for repeat escrow scammers such as hefty isk fines or even booting from the game. Voulonteers check escrows and petition fake escrows to the game masters who then remove them.
I agree with this 100%. Escrow is pointless the way it is now. Almost every other deal is a scam.
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