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Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 66	Posted - 2012.09.28 11:33:00 - [1] - Quote I was thinking of the new mining buff's and it seems that ship designing is not keeping pace with improvements, now that we can fit lots of ore the problem is moving it, freighters of course....not all of us can fly much less afford one and even if i could i won't be because too much ganking of freighters otherwise a smaller faster ship say a t2 industrial could fit lots of compressed ore, or just make compressing ore at stations an option. so many orders for veld...so little time, sigh.
Paikis Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking 182	Posted - 2012.09.28 13:02:00 - [2] - Quote You want the game to be changed because you don't want to buy a freighter. You CHOSE not to use the solution presently in game. No. -1
TheSkeptic Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2012.09.28 13:04:00 - [3] - Quote Piugattuk wrote: I was thinking of the new mining buff's and it seems that ship designing is not keeping pace with improvements, now that we can fit lots of ore the problem is moving it, freighters of course....not all of us can fly much less afford one and even if i could i won't be because too much ganking of freighters otherwise a smaller faster ship say a t2 industrial could fit lots of compressed ore, or just make compressing ore at stations an option. so many orders for veld...so little time, sigh. The way I see it you have a load of options already available to you, It's just up to you which to take. * Refine the ore and move it, it'll take up much less space. * Get a Rorqual and compress it * It sounds like you are rolling around filling veld buy orders? why not just put a sell order up in your system and let them come to you? Edit: Agree with Paikis, -1
Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 66	Posted - 2012.09.28 13:28:00 - [4] - Quote Paikis wrote: You want the game to be changed because you don't want to buy a freighter. You CHOSE not to use the solution presently in game. No. -1 Ok, your opinion...you know i have great caldari faction standings with almost all factions, i have perfect refining skills / mining skills so yeah i do fine even without it, so -1,000,000,000,000,000,000 X a billion trillion to the 10th power on you, can we grow up here, its a convenient thing, more industrials carrying compressed ore think of the opportunity for things to get done, isk to be made, and ganks to be made...now go troll.
Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 66	Posted - 2012.09.28 13:42:00 - [5] - Quote That's what i do is refine, sell trit. Compressing would make it simpler, if this is not a good ideal then why?
Leila Lebeau University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.09.28 14:14:00 - [6] - Quote Piugattuk wrote: That's what i do is refine, sell trit. Compressing would make it simpler, if this is not a good ideal then why? In b4 WH Haterz : This way 5% of EvE would destroy the economy of the remaining 95% ...
Velicitia Open Designs 1160	Posted - 2012.09.28 14:22:00 - [7] - Quote No. Buy a freighter. Hisec has disadvantages, not being able to compress ore is one of them. Also, 900k m3 of veld is 9 million units. At current buy order prices (per Eve-Central, in Jita) of ~17 ISK per unit, that's 153 million ISK, or approximately 1/10 of the ISK-tank of a freighter (i.e. it's not worth ganking you). edit, if you're selling Trit (~6 ISK per unit) rather than the veld ... 90m trit per run is 540m, or about half your ISK tank (i.e. it's STILL not worth ganking you).
Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 66	Posted - 2012.09.28 16:29:00 - [8] - Quote you cant compress ore in WH? Why not it 0.0 but i cannot see how compressing it would ruin anything even an orca still leaves mining op to dump off ore in station and come back, nothings changed the mining op rolls on compression or no compression, .
Bugsy VanHalen Society of lost Souls 182	Posted - 2012.09.28 17:43:00 - [9] - Quote Piugattuk wrote: That's what i do is refine, sell trit. Compressing would make it simpler, if this is not a good ideal then why? You want to compress the trit? or compress veldspar in high sec? either way is not needed and will do nothing to improve game play. Such a change would make logistics easier for everyone not just you. This would quickly result in dropping prices to the point where profits are right back to where they are now. Freighter full of high volume low value minerals such as trit do not get ganked. It is the freighters carrying over 2 bil worth of cargo that get ganked. And even then not if the gankers need to bring a freighter or 20 indys to haul the loot. If you think moving minerals around in high sec in difficult go live in deep null for a while. moving stuff in high sec is very easy and very low risk. Why don't you just ask for teleportation. One click and all you goods are instantly in Jita. Sorry no hello kitty online here where everything is done for you at a single mouse click.. This game is not supposed to be that easy. A challenging game is a fun game. Making one of the simplest game activities even more simple would not in any way improve EVE.
Zyella Stormborn Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis 130	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:39:00 - [10] - Quote Sorry Piugattuk, I'm primarily a miner on my main, and I have to agree with everyone here and go with a 'No' as well. Compression is designed to help people in 0.0 / low sec get their ores to market. They can not use freighters, and JF's / indy runners have much less room. They are forced to go by jumps, speed, and / or stealth, paying the price in size of cargo they can bring with them. In high sec compression is nothing but a convenience, but freighters make up for that. Hell, I sometimes even autopilot my freighter to market, something I would never dream of doing when I move stuff around in low-sec. ~Z

Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 357	Posted - 2012.09.28 20:11:00 - [11] - Quote Ah, So many flaws with your logic, I don't know where to begin. First, and people can correct me if I'm wrong (which i probably am) but the mining barge changes didn't dramatically change how much m3/hour a particular barge can mine. Largely it made it easier for some barges with large ore bays to stay in the belts for longer stretches. Second, a freighter full of veldspar (take an obelisk at all 5's) will hold about 160mil worth of Veld (as others have pointed out). you aren't going to get ganked for that size of cargo. Third, lets say you want to use a T2 indy to haul compressed veldspar instead. A cargo fit occator is going to hold about 255mil worth of compressed veld. and it doesnt have that great of a tank, so it is likely a higher gank target than the freighter. Especially with that nice 20sec align time. You can't fly a freighter? If you can fly a T2 industrial you are generally maybe a week from a freighter. So that argument doesnt work. If you cant fly a freighter, you likely dont have the ore compression skills needed to a rorqual (or any future ore compressing ship). Given the Rorquals cost and restrictions, do you really think a high sec version would be more affordable than a freighter? I've seen others in this forum already talk about the compression costs and how it doesnt really make it worthwhile in high sec due to low profit margins. I could probably go on, but I'm bored now.
Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 66	Posted - 2012.09.28 20:51:00 - [12] - Quote Ok, then if this many disagree then NO will be sufficient. Just an ideal and im always open to suggestions thanks for your imput.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 357	Posted - 2012.09.28 21:01:00 - [13] - Quote Piugattuk wrote: Ok, then if this many disagree then NO will be sufficient. Just an ideal and im always open to suggestions thanks for your imput. Given all of your previous replies a no was obviously not sufficient...
Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 66	Posted - 2012.09.28 21:08:00 - [14] - Quote Yeah, but debating something when you think its got merit doesn't mean you roll over at the first no, but only a fool will believe they are the righteous ones and not listen to anyone else.
Zyella Stormborn Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis 130	Posted - 2012.09.29 06:03:00 - [15] - Quote You are correct Piugattuk, if you have an idea and you like it, hash it out and get feedback. You will get some semi or fully hostile responses, but I tend to ignore those and listen to the others. ;)
Frostys Virpio Caldari Provisions Caldari State 24	Posted - 2012.09.29 17:10:00 - [16] - Quote Piugattuk wrote: I was thinking of the new mining buff's and it seems that ship designing is not keeping pace with improvements, now that we can fit lots of ore the problem is moving it, freighters of course....not all of us can fly much less afford one and even if i could i won't be because too much ganking of freighters otherwise a smaller faster ship say a t2 industrial could fit lots of compressed ore, or just make compressing ore at stations an option. so many orders for veld...so little time, sigh. Nobody really want to gank a trit filled freighter. Most gank are about teh value of your cargo anyway since no module drop off freighter. If you don't do anythign stupid, you would only really ahve to fear the tear farming gankers. It's not like all that many people go out of thier way to kill a freighter if there is no money to be done looting it.
Idris Helion University of Caille Gallente Federation 98	Posted - 2012.09.29 17:14:00 - [17] - Quote Piugattuk wrote: That's what i do is refine, sell trit. Compressing would make it simpler, if this is not a good ideal then why? ...why are you not saving your ISK to buy a freighter? It's not cheap (about 1.5B ISK), but it's not that much, and you can skill into one in a month or so. Why the agony? Just go with a freighter and use the Orca for its intended purpose. There's no need for an ore-compression feature in hisec -- which is where the Orca is intended to run. Nullsec needs ore compression, and that's what the Rorqual is for. If you don't want to spend the time skilling for a freighter (a bad mistake if you're a miner or trader), then just pay Red Frog to move the ore for you.
Virr Kotto Protagonists Of Doom 0	Posted - 2012.09.29 19:06:00 - [18] - Quote Piugattuk wrote: I was thinking of the new mining buff's and it seems that ship designing is not keeping pace with improvements, now that we can fit lots of ore the problem is moving it, freighters of course....not all of us can fly much less afford one and even if i could i won't be because too much ganking of freighters otherwise a smaller faster ship say a t2 industrial could fit lots of compressed ore, or just make compressing ore at stations an option. so many orders for veld...so little time, sigh. Naw, what you really want is to pester the crap out of the Devs to create T2 Orca that is simply bigger and better than the current Orca. More Ore hold, more Corp Hangar, more Ship Maintenance... mining fleets are simply getting bigger by virtue of the vast ore holds on some ships...not to mention how tough the smaller barges are... so time to buff the Fleet Support ship to accommodate these changes. And I wouldn't mind seeing a T2 Orca with the ability to accept one Fuel Block bpo/bpc and churn out fuel blocks provided that all the constituent materials are onboard in the cargo bay.
Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 68	Posted - 2012.09.30 02:19:00 - [19] - Quote Idris Helion wrote: Piugattuk wrote: That's what i do is refine, sell trit. Compressing would make it simpler, if this is not a good ideal then why? ...why are you not saving your ISK to buy a freighter? It's not cheap (about 1.5B ISK), but it's not that much, and you can skill into one in a month or so. Why the agony? Just go with a freighter and use the Orca for its intended purpose. There's no need for an ore-compression feature in hisec -- which is where the Orca is intended to run. Nullsec needs ore compression, and that's what the Rorqual is for. If you don't want to spend the time skilling for a freighter (if you're a miner or a trader, you need a freighter), then just pay Red Frog to move the ore for you. No agony, i am skilled for a freighter now, the only reason i dont buy a freighter is this tardness child behavior like people freighter bumping just so they grief you keeping you from warping off just for lolz not even a gank attempt i mean if they're that bored maybe they should quit, i mean how pointless a life must be if that is all you have to get happy about you got guys like james 315 who go so far with immature behavior they even build a website dedicated to bumping and much more going on making me not want to invest anymore into the game but i mean really why are so many obsessed with miners i really dont get it, if its bots they hate fine hate on CCP for failing to properly address that, understand i do not really get bothered because i take precautions. Anyway this went further then intended.
Velicitia Open Designs 1163	Posted - 2012.10.01 12:28:00 - [20] - Quote Piugattuk wrote: ...the only reason i dont buy a freighter is this tardness child behavior like people freighter bumping just so they grief you keeping you from warping off just for lolz ... Have been a freighter pilot for ~3.5 years now. This has never happened to me. Piugattuk wrote: ... you got guys like james 315 who go so far with immature behavior they even build a website dedicated to bumping and much more going on making me not want to invest anymore into the game... He's operating in ~5 systems, and apparently if you buy a "pass" from him, you get no bumping. Welcome to the sandbox. Piugattuk wrote: but i mean really why are so many obsessed with miners i really dont get it, if its bots they hate fine hate on CCP for failing to properly address that, understand i do not really get bothered because i take precautions. Anyway this went further then intended. Have you not seen the idiocy of the forum-going miners? Recent Example: (miners)Holy ** CCP!! it's not fair that I can't tank a dessie with ZERO *** TANK MODS WHILST BEING AFK (CCP) Hmm ... maybe you're right ... here's some revamped barges (miners) WHAT THE **!? YOU MADE THE HULK NOT KING OF AFK!!! I'm a miner (proof is on publicly viewable certificates) ... though I agree with all the so-called "greifers" on the forums who are telling the carebears they're doing it wrong when their only belief is "I should be able to play how I want without any interference from anyone else"

Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 69	Posted - 2012.10.01 15:48:00 - [21] - Quote Sigh...never mind, not like cloaky nuets sitting in their systems don't bother tough dull sec people either and they are asking for nerfs, but when you finally get bumped so you cannot align over and over again just for lol, have a good time with your good buddies. End of topic its off track, please ISD lock it already its pointless whining now.
Vicious Sidney Sid's Mining Corp 0	Posted - 2012.10.04 08:39:00 - [22] - Quote It's unfortunate that you consider all of this discussion "whining" and cry yourself for ISD to lock the thread. If you want a yes or no answer, try the help chat. It seemed from your original post that you were looking for a discussion about your idea for an ore-compressing orca ( and thus brought it up on a FORUM). Apparently, the consensus is that it's not the greatest idea, and somehow this has offended you. It is a forum (ongoing discussion, debate, etc.) that I found insightful (thanks for providing the topic of discussion). The only "whining" I read, was yours. I too, had been thinking that a compresso-orca would be cool, but now that I have a better picture of its ROLE, not such a hot idea. Again, thanks for presenting the topic of discussion for this forum.
Dasola Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire 60	Posted - 2012.10.04 11:43:00 - [23] - Quote Hmm, instead of compression i would love industry module for orca that would allow it to build stuff. Deploy, load materials if they fit, run blueprint on manufaturing, wait online and makesure out dont run out of what ever that module eats. [Insert something funny or smart here]
Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 69	Posted - 2012.10.04 14:46:00 - [24] - Quote Vicious Sidney wrote: It's unfortunate that you consider all of this discussion "whining" and cry yourself for ISD to lock the thread. If you want a yes or no answer, try the help chat. It seemed from your original post that you were looking for a discussion about your idea for an ore-compressing orca ( and thus brought it up on a FORUM). Apparently, the consensus is that it's not the greatest idea, and somehow this has offended you. It is a forum (ongoing discussion, debate, etc.) that I found insightful (thanks for providing the topic of discussion). The only "whining" I read, was yours. I too, had been thinking that a compresso-orca would be cool, but now that I have a better picture of its ROLE, not such a hot idea. Again, thanks for presenting the topic of discussion for this forum. Whining sure, i seen myself whining (which is why I said it was off topic)(hence request for a lock as forum warriors start to descend upon troll opportunity), its difficult to hash out the the merits with such idiots and since a majority of people seemed against it whats the point of going on? Offended hardly but as I pointed out shall I continue to bore people with an ideal I think is good but Im getting feedback that says "not interested" so no, Im not going to continue a thread for trolling monkeys.


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