Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?

Will player adverts be allowed like the AT?

Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?

Will player adverts be allowed like the AT?

and player adverts? :)

why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction

why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction

Because there has to be /some/ way to cut down the number of groups who'd want to enter, to something manageable.

So presumably team names could be sponsored by Eve related entities as a form of advertising?

Do we get the plex back if you don't get in?
Like we bid 24 plex, but all other bid 55 plex, do we still ne to pay it?

Clarification request on the Player/character thing:



Is that minimum 8, maximum 24 characters, or RL people? Extremities either way could be one person 8-boxing, or 24 people with the option to use any of their characters.

I'm presuming it's referring to player characters.

Clarification request on the Player/character thing:



Is that minimum 8, maximum 24 characters, or RL people? Extremities either way could be one person 8-boxing, or 24 people with the option to use any of their characters.

I'm presuming it's referring to player characters.

Like lets assume a spot is on average 40 PLEX - my guess is that it will be lower, but if you look at ATX and how much those places went for(in the end almost all close to minimum) (hell the last spot didnt get sold because no one wanted it and devs had to do another auction) and compare to ATX prices (trillions of ISK worth of stuff - way better prices than this tournament) then at a PLEXprice of 550, thats only 704b.

Individuals in Goonswarm have that much. PL can buy out the tournament twice if they wanted to. Pretty sure the highest wallet was around 3t if i remember the statistic tweets correctly. (Dont quote me on this)

Isn't this just going to be another, more "elite" Alliance Tournament, where Alliances can legally enter more teams? At half the spots of ATX but without restriction to one team/alliance isn't this the exact opposite of ATX rules with Hydra being kicked out?

What if the final is going to be another ATIX final with an "A-Team" fighting against a "B-Team"?

Ship banning will cause lots of tears

Why isn't it cost effective? Even at 50% conversion rate from ISK to US$ that's better than 0 conversion rate.

I would take a trillion ISK and buy all the teams to make $10,000. Because if I can make a trillion, I can make a trillion more.

Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something?

This being EVE 'n' all... Are there any metagame rules we should be aware of?, for example, should some Team Captain register their team, but trick their bunch of pilots into giving him/her 50 Plex for an auction bid that's never going to be paid, is that going to be a problem, or A-okay...?

Can we have this question answered please.

I'll stop being a punk about the whole situation, I'll just tell you that I know a lot of people are plugging a lot of numbers in right now.

Oh, and prediction is PL wins.

Will the winter patch be in before this kicks off?

If so

Will T1 "logistics cruisers" count toward the 1 limit?


How will money be given out at the end of the tournament... can't be trusting people when cash is on the line.

Let's look at the idea from the individual to have the PLEX cost split amongst everyone on a team.


SO, you come in with 16 guys (8 mains and 8 backups) who each put down 2 plex each to get 32 plex on the table for the bidding.

That's gonna be around $35 each or 1.2B PLEX at current prices (i'm sure people are buying PLEX already, I am).

To have a chance at splitting EDIT : $6,000 over 16 people, minus the estimated average bidding, which is $544 = 5456 a prize of $341 each. Which, is almost as much as the whole team together put into the pot each. So, a 1 in 32 chance (random draw) to get 10 times your money back.

Go play a lotto, better chance of winning better prizes.

We're not even considering gaming the system to have 10 PL teams in. At which point everyone is gonna get screwed.

I promised I'd stop being a punk, so here's constructive feedback?

Why don't you accept a PLEX for ads? I think some player organizations would be willing to put a PLEX to advertise on your program.

So is the plex "bidding" a deposit, or a onetime payment?

IE if I throw up 35 plex, will I get my plex back at the end win or lose, or do they just disappear once they're contract to CCP Alliance Char?

Are Hydra banned from this aswell?

Are Hydra banned from this aswell?

The spies will be burned anyway, and banning those accounts isn't really a problem.

Are you saying the main accounts will be affect as well? Punishment to the person and not the chars? Metagaming now an bannable offense?

I did. Just a slip.

It only works the argument in my favor.


All this amounts to is paying 30B ISK to "have fun" - the real money value is insignificant. And that means the only people that have expendable money to burn are the null sec alliances. And the only people that will get "Sponsored" by anyone with money are going to be A-Teams that already have an ATX track record.

As someone pointed out, on the ATX Auction, they could barely even sell the last slot. So what makes you think you can do the same thing here?

Sorry, CCP has totally overestimated the amount of Free ISK moving around that would go towards a project like this. You are going to have a hard time filling 32 slots totaling a minimum of 480 Billion ISK, when there were BIGGER prizes, More ISK, more reputation and better rewards for ATX.

I understand you have to run a business, but I will point out that MOST sports events make their real money on advertising money, and not off of the players in the tournament. I know you may not have an exact value for the cost of your programs advertising (and has been free, and is an awesome service for free...) - but getting a better idea of that would be in your benefit, and would ease some of the... financial burdens on the "players" (read, not 20B isk to enter the tournament).

I am sure that own3DTV made a killing on having 5-10,000K viewers (which I'm sure is huge for an eSports event) on advertising.

I would like player advertising to be free whenever possible, but in cases such as this, where you want to limit your advertising time, I'm just putting that out there. :)

Also, I'm sure own3dtv wants advertising time, so you're gonna need SOME slow time in between (or it's going to all be ads in between...)

it is kinda sad that there is no special ship as a prize :(

especially with the v3 project, I heard it is extremely easy compared to the past to make a custom skin once the pre work is done. And with fozzie bringing ship balancing to a whole new level, it can't be difficult to find some interesting bonus ideas

This will be fun to watch. The bans are a clever innovation. With each captain able to ban two ships, you can wipe out some entire ship classes if so inclined.

I'm surprised that it's even remarkable that CCP hopes to bring in more money than they pay out. That's how lotteries and raffles raise money, as well. After expenses, it probably won't even be that much.

I hope the man formerly know as Raivi (CCP Fozzie) will be commentating. He was the best damned player commentator you've had.

This will be fun to watch. The bans are a clever innovation. With each captain able to ban two ships, you can wipe out some entire ship classes if so inclined.

I'm surprised that it's even remarkable that CCP hopes to bring in more money than they pay out. That's how lotteries and raffles raise money, as well. After expenses, it probably won't even be that much.

Any chance I could get some clarification by CCP on some of the rules regarding team size for this tournament?



Here it's somewhat confusing as to what a "player" and what a "pilot" is defined as. Does this mean 24 people can be on any given team or does it mean that there is a limit of 24 in-game characters? (e.g. would a team of 20 people who own 3 accounts each be allowed to use all 60 characters in the tournament)



By the same metric, would a single person who owns 8 accounts be able to enter a team? The rules state that you need a minimum of 8 players, but it's still not clear as to what a "player" is according to the rules.

So I have been looking closely at the rules post and the dev replies in this thread and cannot find any details about the whole B team deal.

I get that this is a character based tournament and alliance affiliation doesnt matter.

I see nothing in the rules against the same alliance or group fielding multiple teams as long as:
1. all the teams are made up of independent characters played by independent players
2. no collusion happens if these teams were to face each other on tourney day


HOWEVER

there is quite a big precedent for good players and bad posters getting banned for touching dicks on sisi so could you clarify whether there is *any* restriction to the same alliance fielding multiple teams as long as they do not collude?

Ok, in the case of this character based tournament the only way to have one team enter twice is if the same player competed in two different teams by account sharing right?

Two teams made of independent players from the same alliance/affiliation sparring against each other is allowed right?


I know you mostly already answered this and I apologize if I come across as pedantic but I just want to understand 100% what is cool and what isnt. Thanks again.

What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance.
"Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"

...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary.

So despite you endorsing metagaming, you actually expect people to play nice when real life cash is on the line?

I'm very glad this tournament is happening.

The prize pool did not surprise me - this is a first step, after all.

From an eSports perspective, 45 minutes is way too long for brooding about your opponent's ban picks. If you're really meta gaming the right way you'll know what ships certain teams commonly use - and you'll know how to defend against a ban on a commonly used ship with a new setup.

15 minutes would allow the bans for the match on deck to take place just before the current match is aired, which would allow viewers to tune into the meta game without having to keep a score sheet and sit around for 3+ matches to take place to see the results of their predictions.

That gripe aside, I'll be tuning into this for sure. I enjoyed watching ATX and I hope to see more of these in the future.

it takes more than 15 minutes to just hand out the prefitted ships, ammo, implants to everyone and double check that everything is fine

I am not sure I am interested in a tournament for only $10...now if you want to make that $10,000...then we got something.

(Thread title is wrong.)

I think two years ago there was a comment that Eve Tournaments were something that CCP no longer really budgeted for because they were costly and did not provide a measurable return. Has that changed at all?

In order to create a truly competitive e-sport out of Eve you need to make the competition that happens in the tournament a way that you can play the game normally. This is the case in every other e-sport. As it is now, because of how much effort it is, only very dedicated groups go out of their way to recreate the environment of the competition for practice. More and more people are doing this but it is still a lot of effort. Some people have suggested that Eve needs some sort of arenas. Do you have any thoughts on this?

"Players who are suspected of joining multiple teams to disrupt the tournament or auction process may be subject to administrative penalties including loss of access to their accounts."

This sounds like accounts are being banned from Eve not the tournament. If this is true, banning accounts from Eve based on suspicion alone is pretty drastic. What will be done to prevent someone suspected but not guilty from getting their accounts banned? Will there be some communication between CCP and the player before action is taken?

Thanks.

One think is not stipulated clearly.

If players enter multiply characters on team, would it cause his to resive his share of winning multiply times or just one share per player, not character.