Specifically with freighters and jump freighters I have to agree that changes need to be made. I mean EVE is a game of choice. Yet these two ships don't offer choice. I believe that CCP should consider allowing fitting to be added to these ships.

Consider this....take current cargo volume and make it so that a T1 cargo optimization rig/cargo hold expander in all the lows would make each freighter haul what htey currently can. T2 rigs (due to cost) would offer a bonus over current abilities.

Essentially this would allow what EVE is all about ...choice. You can tank the **** out of your ship severely reducing it's cargo hauling ability....or nano it for pure freighter speed..... or simply fit it up for max cargo. Either way it would provide choice so that some people could do things right and in the true EVE spirit others could completely look like morons.

P.S. who wouldn't want to fit a micro warpdrive to their freighter to speed up travel

While I'm ok with most of your suggestion, I would not give freighters/JF's any highslots... (i.e. no cloaks, no cynos), and I really don't see the need for midslots either. Have you ever put an MWD on a Archon? You get an 80% to speed, not the 500% boost you are hoping for!

I gotta disagree on one detail here.

For a regular freighter, I would allow a single high slot exclusively for a cloak.

I believe that change alone would make it possible to gamble on these things somewhere beyond high sec.
You would still need serious scouts to move around in, no solo play with this unless you keep stupid levels of risk.

Add to that, the cloak would have no high sec value of significance. Unless they leave high sec, it is useless outside of rare and unlikely circumstances.

We would get some crazy kill mails from this. Go for it.

Specifically with freighters and jump freighters I have to agree that changes need to be made. I mean EVE is a game of choice. Yet these two ships don't offer choice. I believe that CCP should consider allowing fitting to be added to these ships.

Consider this....take current cargo volume and make it so that a T1 cargo optimization rig/cargo hold expander in all the lows would make each freighter haul what htey currently can. T2 rigs (due to cost) would offer a bonus over current abilities.

Essentially this would allow what EVE is all about ...choice. You can tank the **** out of your ship severely reducing it's cargo hauling ability....or nano it for pure freighter speed..... or simply fit it up for max cargo. Either way it would provide choice so that some people could do things right and in the true EVE spirit others could completely look like morons.

P.S. who wouldn't want to fit a micro warpdrive to their freighter to speed up travel

I'd support a sort of mini-freighter, somewhere between the largest T1 industrial and a freighter. Say with 100k m3 hold space and low, mid-slots, and rigs. I don't think there should be any changes to regular freighters.

Here are the recent proposals and why I'm opposed:

Slots

Low-slots would be used to boost cargo hold size, giving the potential to be able to carry a fitted capital. Nope, not a good idea.

Mid-slots could be used to add tank. A freighter with an XL ASB, or two, and a hold full of charges? It would be almost impossible to kill without a large fleet or caps.

High-slot would be used for a cloak. It would be of little use, the freighter would get de-cloaked eventually as it wouldn't be able to move. So not a lot of point in it to be honest.

Rigs

Same as low-slots. They would be used to boost hold size.

Extra HP

This is to try and prevent suicide ganking. It would encourage more AFK play and impact the ability to kill freighters where they can be legitimately shot without retaliation. You shouldn't need a cap fleet to pop a single freighter.

So, let's leave Freighters alone, they are balanced and not as vulnerable as people think as long as you take adequate precautions. If you want to propose a smaller Freighter/higher capacity T2 industrial that might be worth looking at.

Why not just make it impossible to get a lock on any non-war target within 10 km of a high sec gate?

I mean lets face it,the current system is broken anyway.EVE is said to be a game where the choices you make have an impact on your character,how other people perceive you. and on what options become either available or unavailable as you progress through the game,much like real life in some way.

The problem though,and where the current system is broken,is that in EVE you can have multiple characters while in life you have.. just 1 life.You see if everyone could have only ONE character in the game, sure some people would make at some point the decision of ganking other players in High sec but then they would be tagged criminals and this activity would become unavailable to them,thus making this practice MUCH LESS popular,but since you can have multiple characters there is basically no repercussions for being a criminal,and it then becomes a verry popular and lucrative activity.. born out of a broken system.

this activity goes the opposite direction of what CCP wants their game to be... they always publicize it as a "live with your choices" game.. yet at some point when you play it you get blown up by a bunch hi sec clowns and realize that they don't have to live with their choices at all.

1.) Your suggestion of no-locking non-war targets within 10 km's is very un-eve-like... why?? absolutely not... It will be abused way too much!!! Especially by neutral Logistics that just skirt in and out of the 10 km gate bubble!!!

2.) There are penalties to criminal actions in highsec... Concord destroys their ships, they don't get insurance, they lose sec status, and if they lose enough sec status they get attacked every time they enter highsec. You also get killrights on them, so you can hunt them down and gank them when they aren't expecting it!

You have to live with your choices too... if you chose to fly an easy-to-destroy ship full of expensive items, then you are making yourself a profitable target.

Why not just make it impossible to get a lock on any non-war target within 10 km of a high sec gate?

Freighters are basically containers with warp drives
+1

You'd have to make SURE they can't fit 1,000,000 M3 into the cargo hold at max skills and with T2 rigs+expanders
I think it'd be pretty hilarious to have a WCS'd freighter

Ewwww Dori Tos your really trying to take this off of the original topic posted. Please don't, your idea is terrible and it takes away from what is a much more interesting fix to freighters.

I'm not anti pvp or anti gank, in fact I'm for both of those. I believe gankers are important to this game. If you act like an idiot you should be ganked. I simply think freighters are broken because they don't provide pilots with any fitting trade-offs.

Safe highsec is not how you fix this game. Giving people reasonable choices, is the way to fix it.

Yeah right, then you make another gank alt and voila! good sec status and no kill rights ! and I hope you are kidding when you say losing their ship is a penalty, they make much more than they lose...

I'm not against pirates, gank, and certainly not against pvp. I'm just against high sec pirates, I think they are lame.They just spam alt factories so they can gank in high sec forever like if there was no reprimand for doing it... it's broken.

as for the idea... I agree it's a little drastic.. we should make only hauling class ships impossible to target near hi sec gates. ^^

Your idea is completely bad... it is nothing more than a cry for mommy's protection: "I can't handle highsec gankers, CCP make me safe" !! This is inappropriate for EvE, and most players despise that attitude...

Iol it's not a cry for mommy's protection, I'm merely proposing that high security space be secure.Why does that revolt people like you so much? you're like " oh I've hauled and mined for 4 years never lost anything I'm so brilliant" yeah whatever man, you must be way better than all those people who lost their cargoes in their noob days.

You know There are new players who are going to lose much of their hard earned assets in one of those under-tanked ultra vulnerable haulers because they don't even know that people can gank them in high sec.

And if CCP is not going to change anything to the situation ( which is completely fine with me btw) they could at least specify to new players that high sec is a dangerous place filled with gate camps and high standing pirates that will blow you up at the first sign of valuable cargo. Or is that too much "hand holding" too?

and yes I understand that my proposal is about disabling people, it's exactly the goal, it's exactly why I like it.I could make hundreds of analogies with our world,the ultimate sandbox, to prove my point.

(at least not where I live, the U.S.)

I'm merely proposing that high security space be secure.