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Solwolf
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Posted - 2005.03.07 06:44:00 -
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Change the office price system please. Office prices in some systems has become insanely high. I'm sure the idea is to free up offices that aren't really being used. However, it's going to hurt people that are really using theirs.
I'll give a couple of examples. My corp has two offices in Ipref. They're both going for over 19 million isk each. Of course we're not going to pay for those offices. In another system where we do business regularly, the price recently was 11M isk. We paid that gladly, because that's our home system. If it keeps going up like that though, we might have to move. Since we're in a 0.0 system, it would be quite painful for us to leave.
I really like the way this was used for laboratory slots. The cost of lab slots has gone way up. I've never been able to find a free lab slot in empire, let alone in 0.0 space. It makes sense to do this with lab slots.
How about instead of jacking up the costs for offices, corporations are limited to the number of offices they can have? How about 5 for a nice number? I know my corp only uses four offices. The rest that we have are mostly wasted really.
Hopefully the prices will go down before my corp gives up and moves to a cheaper place. We have a decent size wallet now, but it's shrinking daily. We're in a very popular system too. We've been there for over a year so moving now would be nearly unthinkable.
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LukAsh
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Posted - 2005.03.07 09:20:00 -
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How bout no? 
System works wery well, my corp in last few weeks freed well over 150 offices it had rented and never used... Why we didn't do it before? Becouse the rent was nothing and it would be a waste of time to go to each office and unrent. Just wait it over, there are tons of corps like ours. Even more unactive ones with offices (when their money will runout offices will also unrent).
Look what has happend with factories, now its happening with labslots, very soon it will go the same with offices.
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Mo Reaper
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Posted - 2005.03.07 09:27:00 -
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So this model is wrong when it effects you (offices) but is ok when it actually helps you (labslots) .
The whole rental model is wrong and should be based on number of offices/labs and their use.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.03.07 11:07:00 -
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Bare with it, what you will see is people who dont use offices unrenting them, then rent will get cheeper and only active corps will bother renting an office in a system.
Our home system had two labslots free but we didnt rent them as we basically have nothing to put in them, we have 6 there allready, so i guess people are unrenting them, which is good for us as prices will decrease
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feroci0us
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Posted - 2005.03.07 16:35:00 -
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rough calculations state that office prices are going up by 5% of the price..per day. I've got an office right now that is 24million(it was roughly 4 million a week and a 1/2 ago) i USE this office regularly, and in a weeks time its going to be 40 million +. Theres got to be something wrong with someones calculations, somewhere. ** Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance **
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.03.07 19:13:00 -
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This office thing will sort itself out in a few months.
As soon as all the people with tons of offices that they don't use unrent them, prices will start to go down, and new corps will actually be able to get an office!
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.03.07 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz This office thing will sort itself out in a few months.
As soon as all the people with tons of offices that they don't use unrent them, prices will start to go down, and new corps will actually be able to get an office!
shhhhh, Shamis, if you're not careful people will realise that pvp'ers actually understand economics.
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2005.03.07 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz This office thing will sort itself out in a few months.
As soon as all the people with tons of offices that they don't use unrent them, prices will start to go down, and new corps will actually be able to get an office!
So, we need to wait till when ? If it does not "work itself out" .... Pricing scheme seems to work pretty good for Offices...but Labs...it broke...
All labs around remain un-rents for less than 24 hours and then they are back rented again...Time to re-evaluate the pricing scheme....cause it is not working... People will pay 1.8 Mill a cycle no problem... IMHO that too much...
(yeah yeah flame away...I know i will hear from the regulars) 
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MinorFreak
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Posted - 2005.03.07 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz This office thing will sort itself out in a few months.
As soon as all the people with tons of offices that they don't use unrent them, prices will start to go down, and new corps will actually be able to get an office!
shhhhh, Shamis, if you're not careful people will realise that pvp'ers actually understand economics.
lol...no more like they're all billionaires and laff at silly things such as rent. 50 mill per month? ha! i hear they boast regularly of chaining BS spawns in 0.0 for 100mill/hour++++11111 ______________________ Best darned links ingame and out (backup) |

Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.03.08 00:18:00 -
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Minor - if you can't make enough to justify spending 50m on an office, 100m on an office, 500m on an office, then MOVE.
Personally I can't wait for the time, it's gonna be an economics game of chicken. A challenge to see who breaks, or can be made to break, first.
The key word there is CHALLENGE. If this game wasn't a CHALLENGE I wouldn't play, nor would most people I guess. Those of you who are moaning about this just can't see the opportunity that presents itself with this mechanic. Can't afford the rent? War dec the people in your station. Don't wanna fight? Pay mercs.
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.03.08 00:26:00 -
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I'm no billionare, but I've been sitting on close to a hundred office for quite some time. I used to make a nice profit on the side selling offices. I always thought it was lame that new corps couldn't get offices easily, but I figured I'd get my share of the action...
Anyway, now I've been forced to let most of my offices unrent themselves, I'm holding onto a few crucial offices, and the rents are killing me, but I'm willing to suck it up for now.
The way offices are working now means that corps will actually have to spread out around empire, there are tons of systems in empire with stations that are all rented out and never used...these systems will eventually become fairly cheap because only a handful of corps will use them.
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Phades
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Posted - 2005.03.08 04:37:00 -
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With labs this wont work, but im surprised that alliances just havent had corps merge into each other to cut down on the number needed in the limited 0.0 stations. Sure it would lead to a possible 3rd party moving in to raise rent, but then they would have to rent it many times in order to drive up the price and if the alliances are controlling the area then it would be problematic to use them to any effect and pay out the rent multiple times to try and drive the cost up, which would cost them more than they would gain.
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Plague Black
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Posted - 2005.03.08 09:42:00 -
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Put labslots in POS. Cost - nothing, risk - high. How about that?
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2005.03.08 13:26:00 -
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let me see..
office rental fee 10000ISK..
Guess I'm no trying to rent at Yulai.
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Bosie
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Posted - 2005.03.08 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Steven Dynahir let me see..
office rental fee 10000ISK..
Guess I'm no trying to rent at Yulai.
I wonder if you are at the same syatem I am... 2 offices 1 in Empire and 1 in 0.0 both at 10K per month.
Bosie.
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Dufas
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Posted - 2005.03.08 13:52:00 -
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there needs to be a compromise...rental prices/lab prices reach a peak and stop...also reduce the number of offices/labs a corp can have to like 5 as mentioned before...these prices are only killing the little guy while the bigger corps just giggle at that money pay it and move on
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.03.08 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dufas there needs to be a compromise...rental prices/lab prices reach a peak and stop...also reduce the number of offices/labs a corp can have to like 5 as mentioned before...these prices are only killing the little guy while the bigger corps just giggle at that money pay it and move on
Are you daft? Small corps SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD AN OFFICE IN YULAI! They can rent an office for 10k PER MONTH that has factories that is within 5 jumps so they can BUILD THERE AND MOVE THEIR GOODS TO OTHER AREAS.
Jesus christ, WTS: CLUE
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2005.03.08 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dufas there needs to be a compromise...rental prices/lab prices reach a peak and stop...also reduce the number of offices/labs a corp can have to like 5 as mentioned before...these prices are only killing the little guy while the bigger corps just giggle at that money pay it and move on
Exactly...even though most "larger" corps will not publicly say that....
Small corp's are getting the short end of the "proverbal" stick... We (less than 20)... go "OUCH" at a office bill of 10 mill or more... Most of my Corp. has dropped or are dropping there personal lab slots very soon... 2 Mill a week is nutts... Considering our office is 14,800 a month..
Like I said before... You want a office in a hub system (New Caldari, Yulai, Amarr, Renyn, etc.) you should pay a price tag... But, Labs in need a much better system of pricing... cause they will be 4 mill a rental before we can think about it... and the ONLY guys who will pay such a fee is BS BPO Owners and T2 BPO Owners...
BPC's for Cruisers/Indies and less.... you will not see them...You want to get Thorax (example) you better drop the 80 mill on the BPO (or whatever it is) and build at ME ZERO...cause it will cost another 20 Mill to get it to ME 10.
Whatever its dead argument... Just ticks me off... Cause I prefered it .. Very Hard to Find Labs Slot but Cheap... Vice.. Very Hard to Find Lab Slots and OVER-PRICED.
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MinorFreak
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Posted - 2005.03.08 19:18:00 -
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uhhhhhh...even though he made a stupid assumption about me, i'm still with Dianabolic on this one. There are TONNES of stations out there with 10k rent per month. And some of them are damn close to Yulai.
Actually, i can't wait till they nerf the "highways"...that'll lower the demand a bit. ______________________ Best darned links ingame and out (backup) |

Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.03.08 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: MinorFreak uhhhhhh...even though he made a stupid assumption about me, i'm still with Dianabolic on this one. There are TONNES of stations out there with 10k rent per month. And some of them are damn close to Yulai.
Actually, i can't wait till they nerf the "highways"...that'll lower the demand a bit.
Sorry, Minor, assumption is the mother of all **** ups, my apologies. It's just this debate has been going on ever since it took us months to get this system introduced, it's getting dry now.
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Arosth Katsbalger
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Posted - 2005.03.15 07:56:00 -
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no the rent is freakin insanely off. now provided our corp has some offices we do not use, but, it saems as though the ones we use are becoming so damn expensive that we would have to take a second job irl just to pay for the damn things. like just today i get a bill for an office and the rent for it is 32m....thats right i said 32 MILLION. See the problem is players can generate a false sense of demand if they sit in a station and keep clicking the rent office button 500 times a day, therefore increasing the rent per month an office slot costs. Come on CCP 32 million for an office slot. I mean damn it is a .0 system but the gate guns still fire on aggressors so that is still empire right? How can that much a month be justified even in the deepest regions of space. Cut us risk takers a damn break.
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.03.15 08:58:00 -
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IMO, i think ccp should make a new system that when u rent a corp office its price is 2x or something of the last. Tex. first office costs 100k. Second, 200k, third 400k. 5th 800k and so forth. So it would stop ppl from renting al over the place cause it is annoying. ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante |

Altreus
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Posted - 2005.03.15 13:41:00 -
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When its gets right down to it this is a game that while people will readily say its all about PVP they seem to have forgotten that it also revolves around supply and demand. The economy system we have now really should have been introduced early in the game as it would have alleviated some of the problems we have now. Problem is since we took advantage of the system at a time when it was easy, now the economy is $#%&ed up! Give it time and it will settle down a bit. However I wouldn't be surprised if there are still offices/labs/factories that still go for insane prices when this settles down.
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nikek notlad
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: nikek notlad on 15/03/2005 14:12:45 Just a few thoughts -
1/ Number of offices per corporation restricted based on membership? 2/ Rental to be paid 'personnaly' rather than remotely - so you gotta go to the landlord to hand in your cheque 3/ All rentals for labs, factories and offices are donated to charity - ie: my corp
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Sillente NiKunni
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:46:00 -
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Read Dev Blog, 24 Factory / Labslot now, 50% more Office
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