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YourMain
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.30 01:52:00 -
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Ok I'm a bit conflicted on the subject of pre-ordering BF3.
On one hand the game looks utterly and completely awesome. Looks great, had enough fun with BF:BC2 to think they can pull it off.
On the other hand there's Origin. Potential spy ware which you have to waive your right to trial by jury to use. I am not exaggerating on the second part.
Thoughts? |
BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.09.30 03:02:00 -
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YourMain wrote:Ok I'm a bit conflicted on the subject of pre-ordering BF3.
On one hand the game looks utterly and completely awesome. Looks great, had enough fun with BF:BC2 to think they can pull it off.
On the other hand there's Origin. Potential spy ware which you have to waive your right to trial by jury to use. I am not exaggerating on the second part.
Thoughts? The battlefield 3 Beta is out right now for console/PC. Play it on either one.
here is an article for limiting origin's snooping: http://bf3blog.com/forum/topic/how-to-make-origin-stay-away-from-the-rest-of-your-computer
[img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |
SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.09.30 03:17:00 -
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You use facebook? Google? Gmail? Any search engine? Websites using google analytics? Punkbuster? All mining your data. Also if you have a spare HDD just put it on there with no other data or just games.
Apparently there is way to "quarantine" origin as well. |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.09.30 03:37:00 -
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As long as Origin keeps my info within their own company it doesn't bother me so much.
What bothers me more is that DICE are still using Punkbuster. Caused me nothing but headaches in BF2142, and hackers easily sidestepped it anyway, so all it accomplished was pissing off honest gamers like myself. I'm actually surprised they're still in business, offering such a shoddy service.
Has it greatly improved, or can i still expect to spend hours when i could be playing BF3 wrestling with that godawful program? |
YourMain
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.30 04:18:00 -
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Got origin, installed to sand box. And it required me to install a damn browser plugin!
Seriously, EA was pushing it already, why should I have to install a plugin to play a game I pay for? what does EA want with my browser?
**** that noise. |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.09.30 13:16:00 -
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Me too.
I was at the pre-order page about a week ago and backed off from ordering it after reading the EULA for origin.
Might play it on the PS3 or wait for someone to create some kind of PC circum-navigate solution for that.
I got Steam and run that on an independant HDD which seems to be working well, but I think my issue is mainly the fact a piece of is running that I have no control over using system and network resources.
I'm sure it's just male marking of territory I don't take kindly too.
It's my rig, not theirs.
AK "Combat in New Eden is either a blob or a work of art...let me paint you a picture" |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.09.30 17:16:00 -
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If it's true a browser plugin is mandatory that might be the clincher for me. |
Reiisha
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.30 19:52:00 -
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Beta is whack. Don't bother.
So many bugs and design issues. The terrain clipping, flashlights, sniper flare, players blending in 100% with their environment... |
Remarka Belle Locus
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.30 20:27:00 -
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What could they possibly need a browser plugin for? |
Cpt Placeholder
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.30 20:38:00 -
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Heh, there's always ways to circumvent it. However, as long as you keep paying for crap you're gonna get worse crap. Have fun. |
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SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.09.30 22:16:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:Beta is whack. Don't bother.
So many bugs and design issues. The terrain clipping, flashlights, sniper flare, players blending in 100% with their environment...
Hence the key word beta.... not release. (Which is a month away)
How many times must it be explained? |
BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.10.01 01:02:00 -
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Beta is good for beta. The flashlights are working as intended, they blind you in close combat.
X360:
Pros - Tactical weapons, enable on/off lasers/scopes/flashlights (almost like Vegas). - Lighting such as sun glares or tactical flash light/laser lenses are realistic. - Sounds like gun fire, explosions, echos, sound fantastic and real. - Jumping over environments is easier, and jumping is realistic. - Recoil, great. - Squads and spawning on m8s is a nice feature brought from BC2. - Equipment, and classes are well configured. - Customize equipment ingame instead of after matches, unlocks can be added right away to your gun. - Movement and direction gives character great versatility and able to conduct moves you couldn't otherwise do in the 4-direction step. (COD for ex.)
Cons - Players float and do not actually walk. Sometimes causes you to run like a gimp or warped after jumping walls certain ways. - Floating players also cause you to glitch into environments during prone. Such as ground or wall. - Characters when running sometimes get "cramps" and suddenly cannot run unless you toggle crouch. - Still can't hear footsteps, you can't hear anyone coming up behind you... - Kits are terribly inconvenient to customize compared to CODs system. - After spawning at deployment during the launch phase, you cannot go back and change kits until after you die. - Players can sometimes slide or "moonwalk" (due to float) if they get clipped on certain parts on maps, such as ledges and will sometimes skate across the map 10meters or so. This could also be due if they have a bad connection to the dedicated server.
I did not download for PC cause there is no point, no jets and no origin crap ...
still have to play it more but that's my first impressions. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:04:00 -
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I caved.
Installed it earlier - played it for a few hours, not much more and the beta maps are interesting.
It's got a bad company feel to it on multi-player and the maps feel large.
The animation and graphics overall are good, even on my crappy system - but feel there is much more to see if I had DX11 capable.
Only criticism is the pivot point of the gun, it feels like it is behind your point of view - instead of directly proportional to the image that is being displayed. Also feels like it accelerates as you twitch, which puts shots off by a few degrees.
It does have a real-world feel to it, instead of a bunny-hop, kapow, bunny-hop, head shot.
"Combat in New Eden is either a blob or a work of art...let me paint you a picture" |
Reiisha
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.01 18:32:00 -
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SpaceSquirrels wrote:Reiisha wrote:Beta is whack. Don't bother.
So many bugs and design issues. The terrain clipping, flashlights, sniper flare, players blending in 100% with their environment... Hence the key word beta.... not release. (Which is a month away) How many times must it be explained?
It is *very very rare* that a beta is any different from the retail version - Open beta anyways. A month is not enough time to fix those issues, especially since you have to take 3 weeks off for cd printing and logistics, unless you want a day1 patch - Which still doesnt give enough time. |
SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.10.01 19:54:00 -
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Given a month yeah plenty of time. Bad Company 2 beta also had issues and game play was a tad different. (Also given that BF3 im guessing is going to sell mostly DL not box sales)
What game have you known in the last 2-3 years that got launched and didnt have a needed patch 1-2 months later anyway? (especially multiplayer centric games) Christ look at eve they release new bug fixes then need to emergency patch those! |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.10.01 23:17:00 -
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Clipping issues are one of the main reasons they have betas. You just cant test the collision detection on every edge and slope as well as thousands of people playing the game can. |
Dray
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.10.02 14:24:00 -
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I pre-ordered back in May, I'm weak, the beta rush map Operation Metro is horrible, just my opinion.
Never got a chance to play Caspian border but those lucky few who did are raving about it, not convinced on the sunlight reflecting off the sniper scopes seems a bit silly, clipping and physics issues are as hilarious as they are annoying but its a beta so can't grumble too much.
My system is a i7 920 at 3.6GHz, 2x 275 in SLI and 6gig of DDR3 and the gfx cards are just about holding up on medium to low settings at 1920x1200, that's using the beta drivers that are optimized for BF3, was due a gfx upgrade so it looks like it's time to get a 570.
Aside from the crappy map I'm enjoying it, still p1ssed I never got a chance to play Caspian Border tho. |
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.02 14:40:00 -
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YourMain wrote:Ok I'm a bit conflicted on the subject of pre-ordering BF3.
On one hand the game looks utterly and completely awesome. Looks great, had enough fun with BF:BC2 to think they can pull it off.
On the other hand there's Origin. Potential spy ware which you have to waive your right to trial by jury to use. I am not exaggerating on the second part.
Thoughts?
I would not use any game that needs Origin. Not that I really want to play most EA games anyways. I mena, BF3 is just the same game all over again with a little bit prettier graphics. And people eat it up and pay full price. |
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GM Horse
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.02 15:34:00 -
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This game made my four-year old desktop computer curl up in a fetal position and cry. I guess it's time for a replacement. Four years is a pretty good run for a gaming rig though.
From what I've played of the beta, the game seems really really really damn good - Seems to be a true sequel to BF2. |
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Reiisha
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.02 15:41:00 -
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SpaceSquirrels wrote:Given a month yeah plenty of time. Bad Company 2 beta also had issues and game play was a tad different. (Also given that BF3 im guessing is going to sell mostly DL not box sales)
What game have you known in the last 2-3 years that got launched and didnt have a needed patch 1-2 months later anyway? (especially multiplayer centric games) Christ look at eve they release new bug fixes then need to emergency patch those!
It's not okay to sell a broken product.
That said, buying it anyway >_> |
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GM Horse
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.02 15:53:00 -
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Reiisha wrote: It's not okay to sell a broken product.
That said, buying it anyway >_>
Yes, that's terrible that a company would release a game with bugs!
Wait... |
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SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.10.02 16:37:00 -
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Pretty hard these days to quash all bugs especially in larger scale games. Like I said it's a beta. It would be like complaining about bugs on SISI.
Now once it's released...by all means rant and rave away. my only real grip is that I cant map buttons to the mouse keys yet. As for the origin thing it's only a broad statement in their legal clause. (Steam has a near identical one) doesnt mean they will, and I stuck it on a separate HDD, and sandboxed it.
Google facebook, and everyone else under the sun is data mining your crap or saving it permanently in a cloud somewhere. Compared to that this doesnt seem a whole lot different considering how personal e-mail can get. And there are measures to negate it.
I will say I was surprised by how much more tactical and difficult it was than previous BF games. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.10.02 17:31:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:As long as Origin keeps my info within their own company it doesn't bother me so much
Well Origin doesn't just spy on you, EA will also sell the info it collects about active programs, programs that you uninstall and so on to 3rd parties for marketing.
RPS Article
Awesome program, people are having to pay for a beta, apparently Origin sucks balls and randomly refuses to install games that you buy, the customer service sucks balls when you are trying to fix the above problem and it spies on all your info so EA can sell it on. |
Dray
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.10.02 20:01:00 -
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forums are broke useless icelandic c**ts |
Jack bubu
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.02 20:50:00 -
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Dray wrote:forums are broke useless icelandic c**ts u mad? |
Something Random
The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2011.10.02 21:02:00 -
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YourMain wrote:Ok I'm a bit conflicted on the subject of pre-ordering BF3.
On one hand the game looks utterly and completely awesome. Looks great, had enough fun with BF:BC2 to think they can pull it off.
On the other hand there's Origin. Potential spy ware which you have to waive your right to trial by jury to use. I am not exaggerating on the second part.
Thoughts?
1) Dont pirate stuff.
2) Enjoy.
PS - ROCKS, I MEAN ******* Rocks..... actually did i say it loud enough yet......
rocks!!!!! |
Dray
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.10.02 22:23:00 -
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Jack bubu wrote:Dray wrote:forums are broke useless icelandic c**ts u mad?
Yep trying to quote a post and it was just to big an ask for the beta forums.
Well done you got a "u mad" post, now kill yourself and increase the average world IQ a fraction. |
YourMain
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.02 22:36:00 -
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SpaceSquirrels wrote: As for the origin thing it's only a broad statement in their legal clause. (Steam has a near identical one) doesnt mean they will, and I stuck it on a separate HDD, and sandboxed it.
If it was just the legal statement I'd use origin. But the fact is somebody actually checked what Origin was accessing after installation. Here is what Origin scans. Steam only scans the stuff it installed, and the legalise states that. Origin is legal terms allow it to scan your whole computer. And it actually snoops around your program data file and looks up other stuff.
I won't have EA digging through my computer like they own it, and I especially won't pay them for the pleasure.
Note that Origin doesn't seem to touch browser stuff... Oh wait, EA wants you to install a browser plugin in order to run..... |
SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.10.03 02:18:00 -
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Actually a lot of programs that scan install folders and secondary folders in which cache files are installed. Or secondary data. (Which you can set) that's used to link certain information together. EG: Web data (browser) and game data. It's used more or less for convenience thing so users dont have to look up folders or dont know where the hell they are located. Truth be told tons of programs scan your registry (It is a database after all.)
In origins case I assume they have all now origin other related data defaulted to program data. Thus the scan. I dunno why they chose to do that instead of the steam way of scanning only steam directories and sub directories, but they did.
But like anything electronic related dont like it dont buy it. I for one wont own a kindle because they seem to have root access 100% of the time for it, and have taken books off of it without consent. |
Lithalnas
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.03 07:40:00 -
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I do not like the idea that if we mod BF3 they shut down the origin account effectively nullifying games we already own. There is a 128 man hack for servers which require some client tweeking to function. |
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VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.03 08:34:00 -
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I'm going to skip BF3 over this Origin stuff.
The real point for me is not what it scans, but how they don't tell you. By not telling you and forcing articles and topics like this to speculate, the real concern for me is that whatever we see it doing NOW doesn't have to be permanent. They could at any time send this thing new directions without telling the user it's happening.
Usually I'm on the other side of these things. Advertising or information use to increase profits is really just another kind of price hike. No different then launching a full price game with additional DLC that costs more money but was produced during that same development time as the box you paid full price for. No different then releasing with a crappy map count and then selling map packs.
However, if they're not going to come out and state EXACTLY SPECIFICALLY what the program is for, I'm not letting them do anything they want on my PC and change it on the fly, and that's the line I draw. It's not just a price hike anymore, it's getting shady. |
nahtoh
Vanguard Frontiers Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.10.03 10:55:00 -
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While the game itself runs great on my system, origin is deal breaker for me. It really does blow donkey ****.
Stupid little jion game button and keeps putting the game into windowed mode (sometimes different sozed windows FFS). Being unable to get to the game optiosn till your actually in a match? That also blows the big one. |
mama guru
Thundercats
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Posted - 2011.10.03 12:38:00 -
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Honestly I really hate the way the Video game industry has been overrun by greedy assholes like kotic.
Had it not been for free modding and open source games like Counterstrike and LoL would not have existed. Stacraft and Warcraft would not be anywhere near as popular as they were, not to mention Battlefield 1942. Instead what we get are these intrusive DRM applications and Console based modding policies where we have to pay for maps and **** like that. I can understand selling map packs on consoles but its really insulting for PC players since the platform is more than capable to support modding and custom map editors.
Theres a reason as to why I barely pay for games anymore and that's because of **** like this Origin stuff we have now. And don't you dare say piracy is the reason for this crap. It's not. ______
EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's to hard you are to weak. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.04 22:17:00 -
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been playing it on x360 its great but lots of bugs, hoping they fix it. defiantly worth the buy at least on console... doubt so on PC probably wont sell real well |
SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.10.05 00:23:00 -
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^ Lol what? You do know BF started on PC and is tailored to PC first? You know how big BF2 was/is? 12 Million in the beta atm. Also a month old build apparently...
^^ So you dont see the correlation of rise in of DRM following rise in PC games piracy?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-30-how-bad-is-pc-piracy-really-article?page=3 interesting article for a few reasons. (One of them the diverging thoughts on whether downloads really corresponds to decline in sales.) |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.05 03:27:00 -
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What... you have to BUY the beta???
I loved 1942 and BF 2... but thought 2142 was the biggest pile of steaming horse **** i had ever seen served up as a game. Jesus it was ****.
And now EA want to SELL betas for a game that will spy on you? Give me a break.
And CCP Horse, EVE Online by comparison is perfect. Only 1 bug that i have ever seen and thats the warp tunnel. Everything else works great.
EA is ****. [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
Louis deGuerre
Malevolence. Void Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.05 08:48:00 -
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I bought it but just because a friend begged me to. Needs more walkers and hovertanks like BF2142 IMO. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
luZk
Jaegerkorpset
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:11:00 -
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Just found this.
BATTLEFIELD 3 JET FOOTAGE (EXCLUSIVE!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bP8_Dmfbe0 |
Dray
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.10.06 20:59:00 -
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.10.06 21:45:00 -
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Don't purchase any game that hasn't been out for 6 months.
No one releases quality products that are finished anymore, everything is rushed and released horribly broken now a days. I haven't seen anything released in the last 5 years that is any good that isn't horribly, horribly broken for the first 6 months.
Quality in the gaming industry has gone down the toilet over the last 5+ years...it's more about making $$ than releasing quality products now. |
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.10.06 22:13:00 -
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GM Horse wrote:Reiisha wrote: It's not okay to sell a broken product.
That said, buying it anyway >_>
Yes, that's terrible that a company would release a game with bugs! Wait...
Not to be an ass...but if you are going to release a shelf game, ie non-MMO, it should work out of the box period. Any shelf ready game should not have to be endlessly patched just to get it to work. Once upon a time, you could go to the store and purchase a game and it would just work when you installed it. Somewhere over the last 5 or 6 years, being able to purchase a game that isn't horribly broken is getting more and more rare.
It's unacceptable to sell someone something that is completely broken and unusable. I can understand that happening with MMOs to a degree, but installing a game that is shelf ready on hardware that is above the minimum system requirements and has a completely up to date OS + up to date drivers is absolutely inexcusable. Hell, they can't even release console games anymore that aren't horribly broken, and that's a no brainer! You don't have to worry about an amalgamation of hardware + software with a console, and they STILL can't release working games for consoles.
The gaming industry has gone to ****, and it's really sad. Once upon a time most development shops put pride in their work, this is no longer the case, and it's only getting worse. |
Sofa Raddis
Gravity Waste Management
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Posted - 2011.10.08 01:05:00 -
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Bc2 was dices weakest game so far, I have high hopes for the battlefield series which stand apart from the bad company series(which where aimed for consoles).
I am getting it, (preordered).
Kinda agree with the above sentiment though, folks are getting sloppy. |
Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.10.08 12:04:00 -
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I have it pre-ordered and am loving the beta. The build we're playing is at least 4 months old. So a lot of the bugs we're experiencing have already been fixed. Caspian Border is jaw dropping on my rig. I'm going to be big into this one! If you have even a passing interest in this game you should check it out. |
Louis deGuerre
Malevolence. Void Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.10 08:40:00 -
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Well I played the Beta this weekend and even on my mediocre rig it ran pretty smooth (not ultra of course). Pretty happy as I pre-ordered the damn thing without checking Not as much fun as BF2142, but visually very impressive. Green unformed guys fighting green uniformed guys in a forest is a pain tough. I miss my scout drone !!! FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Mohr Cowbell
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.11 03:49:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote:Well I played the Beta this weekend and even on my mediocre rig it ran pretty smooth (not ultra of course). Pretty happy as I pre-ordered the damn thing without checking Not as much fun as BF2142, but visually very impressive. Green unformed guys fighting green uniformed guys in a forest is a pain tough. I miss my scout drone !!!
It ran just fine on my 4-year old PC, and 9800 GT. The graphics obviously weren't maxed, but, turned up far enough to still look great without lag.
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