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YourMain
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.30 01:52:00 -
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Ok I'm a bit conflicted on the subject of pre-ordering BF3.
On one hand the game looks utterly and completely awesome. Looks great, had enough fun with BF:BC2 to think they can pull it off.
On the other hand there's Origin. Potential spy ware which you have to waive your right to trial by jury to use. I am not exaggerating on the second part.
Thoughts? |
BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.09.30 03:02:00 -
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YourMain wrote:Ok I'm a bit conflicted on the subject of pre-ordering BF3.
On one hand the game looks utterly and completely awesome. Looks great, had enough fun with BF:BC2 to think they can pull it off.
On the other hand there's Origin. Potential spy ware which you have to waive your right to trial by jury to use. I am not exaggerating on the second part.
Thoughts? The battlefield 3 Beta is out right now for console/PC. Play it on either one.
here is an article for limiting origin's snooping: http://bf3blog.com/forum/topic/how-to-make-origin-stay-away-from-the-rest-of-your-computer
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SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.09.30 03:17:00 -
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You use facebook? Google? Gmail? Any search engine? Websites using google analytics? Punkbuster? All mining your data. Also if you have a spare HDD just put it on there with no other data or just games.
Apparently there is way to "quarantine" origin as well. |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.09.30 03:37:00 -
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As long as Origin keeps my info within their own company it doesn't bother me so much.
What bothers me more is that DICE are still using Punkbuster. Caused me nothing but headaches in BF2142, and hackers easily sidestepped it anyway, so all it accomplished was pissing off honest gamers like myself. I'm actually surprised they're still in business, offering such a shoddy service.
Has it greatly improved, or can i still expect to spend hours when i could be playing BF3 wrestling with that godawful program? |
YourMain
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.30 04:18:00 -
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Got origin, installed to sand box. And it required me to install a damn browser plugin!
Seriously, EA was pushing it already, why should I have to install a plugin to play a game I pay for? what does EA want with my browser?
**** that noise. |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.09.30 13:16:00 -
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Me too.
I was at the pre-order page about a week ago and backed off from ordering it after reading the EULA for origin.
Might play it on the PS3 or wait for someone to create some kind of PC circum-navigate solution for that.
I got Steam and run that on an independant HDD which seems to be working well, but I think my issue is mainly the fact a piece of is running that I have no control over using system and network resources.
I'm sure it's just male marking of territory I don't take kindly too.
It's my rig, not theirs.
AK "Combat in New Eden is either a blob or a work of art...let me paint you a picture" |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.09.30 17:16:00 -
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If it's true a browser plugin is mandatory that might be the clincher for me. |
Reiisha
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.30 19:52:00 -
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Beta is whack. Don't bother.
So many bugs and design issues. The terrain clipping, flashlights, sniper flare, players blending in 100% with their environment... |
Remarka Belle Locus
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.30 20:27:00 -
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What could they possibly need a browser plugin for? |
Cpt Placeholder
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.30 20:38:00 -
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Heh, there's always ways to circumvent it. However, as long as you keep paying for crap you're gonna get worse crap. Have fun. |
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SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.09.30 22:16:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:Beta is whack. Don't bother.
So many bugs and design issues. The terrain clipping, flashlights, sniper flare, players blending in 100% with their environment...
Hence the key word beta.... not release. (Which is a month away)
How many times must it be explained? |
BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.10.01 01:02:00 -
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Beta is good for beta. The flashlights are working as intended, they blind you in close combat.
X360:
Pros - Tactical weapons, enable on/off lasers/scopes/flashlights (almost like Vegas). - Lighting such as sun glares or tactical flash light/laser lenses are realistic. - Sounds like gun fire, explosions, echos, sound fantastic and real. - Jumping over environments is easier, and jumping is realistic. - Recoil, great. - Squads and spawning on m8s is a nice feature brought from BC2. - Equipment, and classes are well configured. - Customize equipment ingame instead of after matches, unlocks can be added right away to your gun. - Movement and direction gives character great versatility and able to conduct moves you couldn't otherwise do in the 4-direction step. (COD for ex.)
Cons - Players float and do not actually walk. Sometimes causes you to run like a gimp or warped after jumping walls certain ways. - Floating players also cause you to glitch into environments during prone. Such as ground or wall. - Characters when running sometimes get "cramps" and suddenly cannot run unless you toggle crouch. - Still can't hear footsteps, you can't hear anyone coming up behind you... - Kits are terribly inconvenient to customize compared to CODs system. - After spawning at deployment during the launch phase, you cannot go back and change kits until after you die. - Players can sometimes slide or "moonwalk" (due to float) if they get clipped on certain parts on maps, such as ledges and will sometimes skate across the map 10meters or so. This could also be due if they have a bad connection to the dedicated server.
I did not download for PC cause there is no point, no jets and no origin crap ...
still have to play it more but that's my first impressions. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:04:00 -
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I caved.
Installed it earlier - played it for a few hours, not much more and the beta maps are interesting.
It's got a bad company feel to it on multi-player and the maps feel large.
The animation and graphics overall are good, even on my crappy system - but feel there is much more to see if I had DX11 capable.
Only criticism is the pivot point of the gun, it feels like it is behind your point of view - instead of directly proportional to the image that is being displayed. Also feels like it accelerates as you twitch, which puts shots off by a few degrees.
It does have a real-world feel to it, instead of a bunny-hop, kapow, bunny-hop, head shot.
"Combat in New Eden is either a blob or a work of art...let me paint you a picture" |
Reiisha
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.01 18:32:00 -
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SpaceSquirrels wrote:Reiisha wrote:Beta is whack. Don't bother.
So many bugs and design issues. The terrain clipping, flashlights, sniper flare, players blending in 100% with their environment... Hence the key word beta.... not release. (Which is a month away) How many times must it be explained?
It is *very very rare* that a beta is any different from the retail version - Open beta anyways. A month is not enough time to fix those issues, especially since you have to take 3 weeks off for cd printing and logistics, unless you want a day1 patch - Which still doesnt give enough time. |
SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.10.01 19:54:00 -
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Given a month yeah plenty of time. Bad Company 2 beta also had issues and game play was a tad different. (Also given that BF3 im guessing is going to sell mostly DL not box sales)
What game have you known in the last 2-3 years that got launched and didnt have a needed patch 1-2 months later anyway? (especially multiplayer centric games) Christ look at eve they release new bug fixes then need to emergency patch those! |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.10.01 23:17:00 -
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Clipping issues are one of the main reasons they have betas. You just cant test the collision detection on every edge and slope as well as thousands of people playing the game can. |
Dray
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.10.02 14:24:00 -
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I pre-ordered back in May, I'm weak, the beta rush map Operation Metro is horrible, just my opinion.
Never got a chance to play Caspian border but those lucky few who did are raving about it, not convinced on the sunlight reflecting off the sniper scopes seems a bit silly, clipping and physics issues are as hilarious as they are annoying but its a beta so can't grumble too much.
My system is a i7 920 at 3.6GHz, 2x 275 in SLI and 6gig of DDR3 and the gfx cards are just about holding up on medium to low settings at 1920x1200, that's using the beta drivers that are optimized for BF3, was due a gfx upgrade so it looks like it's time to get a 570.
Aside from the crappy map I'm enjoying it, still p1ssed I never got a chance to play Caspian Border tho. |
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.02 14:40:00 -
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YourMain wrote:Ok I'm a bit conflicted on the subject of pre-ordering BF3.
On one hand the game looks utterly and completely awesome. Looks great, had enough fun with BF:BC2 to think they can pull it off.
On the other hand there's Origin. Potential spy ware which you have to waive your right to trial by jury to use. I am not exaggerating on the second part.
Thoughts?
I would not use any game that needs Origin. Not that I really want to play most EA games anyways. I mena, BF3 is just the same game all over again with a little bit prettier graphics. And people eat it up and pay full price. |
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GM Horse
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.02 15:34:00 -
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This game made my four-year old desktop computer curl up in a fetal position and cry. I guess it's time for a replacement. Four years is a pretty good run for a gaming rig though.
From what I've played of the beta, the game seems really really really damn good - Seems to be a true sequel to BF2. |
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Reiisha
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.02 15:41:00 -
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SpaceSquirrels wrote:Given a month yeah plenty of time. Bad Company 2 beta also had issues and game play was a tad different. (Also given that BF3 im guessing is going to sell mostly DL not box sales)
What game have you known in the last 2-3 years that got launched and didnt have a needed patch 1-2 months later anyway? (especially multiplayer centric games) Christ look at eve they release new bug fixes then need to emergency patch those!
It's not okay to sell a broken product.
That said, buying it anyway >_> |
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GM Horse
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.02 15:53:00 -
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Reiisha wrote: It's not okay to sell a broken product.
That said, buying it anyway >_>
Yes, that's terrible that a company would release a game with bugs!
Wait... |
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SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.10.02 16:37:00 -
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Pretty hard these days to quash all bugs especially in larger scale games. Like I said it's a beta. It would be like complaining about bugs on SISI.
Now once it's released...by all means rant and rave away. my only real grip is that I cant map buttons to the mouse keys yet. As for the origin thing it's only a broad statement in their legal clause. (Steam has a near identical one) doesnt mean they will, and I stuck it on a separate HDD, and sandboxed it.
Google facebook, and everyone else under the sun is data mining your crap or saving it permanently in a cloud somewhere. Compared to that this doesnt seem a whole lot different considering how personal e-mail can get. And there are measures to negate it.
I will say I was surprised by how much more tactical and difficult it was than previous BF games. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.10.02 17:31:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:As long as Origin keeps my info within their own company it doesn't bother me so much
Well Origin doesn't just spy on you, EA will also sell the info it collects about active programs, programs that you uninstall and so on to 3rd parties for marketing.
RPS Article
Awesome program, people are having to pay for a beta, apparently Origin sucks balls and randomly refuses to install games that you buy, the customer service sucks balls when you are trying to fix the above problem and it spies on all your info so EA can sell it on. |
Dray
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.10.02 20:01:00 -
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forums are broke useless icelandic c**ts |
Jack bubu
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.02 20:50:00 -
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Dray wrote:forums are broke useless icelandic c**ts u mad? |
Something Random
The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2011.10.02 21:02:00 -
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YourMain wrote:Ok I'm a bit conflicted on the subject of pre-ordering BF3.
On one hand the game looks utterly and completely awesome. Looks great, had enough fun with BF:BC2 to think they can pull it off.
On the other hand there's Origin. Potential spy ware which you have to waive your right to trial by jury to use. I am not exaggerating on the second part.
Thoughts?
1) Dont pirate stuff.
2) Enjoy.
PS - ROCKS, I MEAN ******* Rocks..... actually did i say it loud enough yet......
rocks!!!!! |
Dray
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.10.02 22:23:00 -
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Jack bubu wrote:Dray wrote:forums are broke useless icelandic c**ts u mad?
Yep trying to quote a post and it was just to big an ask for the beta forums.
Well done you got a "u mad" post, now kill yourself and increase the average world IQ a fraction. |
YourMain
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.02 22:36:00 -
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SpaceSquirrels wrote: As for the origin thing it's only a broad statement in their legal clause. (Steam has a near identical one) doesnt mean they will, and I stuck it on a separate HDD, and sandboxed it.
If it was just the legal statement I'd use origin. But the fact is somebody actually checked what Origin was accessing after installation. Here is what Origin scans. Steam only scans the stuff it installed, and the legalise states that. Origin is legal terms allow it to scan your whole computer. And it actually snoops around your program data file and looks up other stuff.
I won't have EA digging through my computer like they own it, and I especially won't pay them for the pleasure.
Note that Origin doesn't seem to touch browser stuff... Oh wait, EA wants you to install a browser plugin in order to run..... |
SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
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Posted - 2011.10.03 02:18:00 -
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Actually a lot of programs that scan install folders and secondary folders in which cache files are installed. Or secondary data. (Which you can set) that's used to link certain information together. EG: Web data (browser) and game data. It's used more or less for convenience thing so users dont have to look up folders or dont know where the hell they are located. Truth be told tons of programs scan your registry (It is a database after all.)
In origins case I assume they have all now origin other related data defaulted to program data. Thus the scan. I dunno why they chose to do that instead of the steam way of scanning only steam directories and sub directories, but they did.
But like anything electronic related dont like it dont buy it. I for one wont own a kindle because they seem to have root access 100% of the time for it, and have taken books off of it without consent. |
Lithalnas
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.03 07:40:00 -
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I do not like the idea that if we mod BF3 they shut down the origin account effectively nullifying games we already own. There is a 128 man hack for servers which require some client tweeking to function. |
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