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Seleene	Posted - 2005.03.09 08:59:00 - [31] I like your second reply better than your first one, Josh. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Hastrabull	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:02:00 - [32] Edited by: Hastrabull on 09/03/2005 09:05:38 Same here :) Joshua, sorry to say that, but Xetic are to big. This is what we are using. And using it effectively. You just can't and will not counter us cause you cant find us And even if you will we will disappear and show up 10 systems away :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Seleene I like your second reply better than your first one, Josh. Well, my first reply was just comparing the fact alt corps. are used to offensively inflict financial damage but cannot be used to defensively inflict financial damage..... It didn't come out as well as I hoped LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:04:00 - [34] Originally by: Hastrabull Originally by: Joshua Calvert Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 09/03/2005 08:49:36 Devil's Advocate speaking here too........ Originally by: JaiMaster The 4 man "coward" corp wars the 5000 member alliance looking for "cheap" kills, so the (obviously quite brave, honorable PVPers they are... ) XETIC federation in its infinite wisdom creates alts to make wars cost more... If all 5000 members post drivel like that, im opening a hardware store. The demand for shovels must be IMMENSE... Every member of S.A.S has lo-slots full of WCS, use gankageddons at 60km+, have an alt at every gate leading into Manarq, and safespot/logout whenever a group of more than 4 XF warp to a gate they are camping. That's cowardly tactics of an alt corp. created specifically for the war. If characters can create a corp. specifically to declare war on another, why is it so wrong that XETIC create alt. corps to make them pay for their cowardice? S.A.S are the lamest gankers since Killer Clowns. Its not lame, its effective. From your point of view its lame, cos u lost ships. And you think its lame, cos u cant find any tactic that will counter this. This is lame. They are effective. Still speaking as a devils advocate here......... Isn't XF boosting their member corp. count a lame but effective tactic also? It's simply pvp on a different field. If SAS want to pretend this is CounterStrike, then thats upto them. We'll simply fight just as dirty and try to defeat them financially. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Hastrabull	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:08:00 - [35] Edited by: Hastrabull on 09/03/2005 09:11:38 Edited by: Hastrabull on 09/03/2005 09:10:40 Originally by: Joshua Calvert Still speaking as a devils advocate here......... Isn't XF boosting their member corp. count a lame but effective tactic also? It's simply pvp on a different field. If SAS want to pretend this is CounterStrike, then thats upto them. We'll simply fight just as dirty and try to defeat them financially. So you say camping gate with ships equiped to gank and run if neccesary is dirty? Using bug in the game is surely dirty. Joshua, your (xetic) way of thinking is completely wrong. This is completely NOT honorable and smart. Its the easiest way to defeat enemy that you cant defeat with your guns. This is lame and pathetic. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:17:00 - [36] Originally by: Hastrabull Edited by: Hastrabull on 09/03/2005 09:11:38 Edited by: Hastrabull on 09/03/2005 09:10:40 Originally by: Joshua Calvert Still speaking as a devils advocate here......... Isn't XF boosting their member corp. count a lame but effective tactic also? It's simply pvp on a different field. If SAS want to pretend this is CounterStrike, then thats upto them. We'll simply fight just as dirty and try to defeat them financially. So you say camping gate with ships equiped to gank and run if neccesary is dirty? Using bug in the game is surely dirty. Joshua, your (xetic) way of thinking is completely wrong. This is completely NOT honorable and smart. Its the easiest way to defeat enemy that you cant defeat with your guns. This is lame and pathetic. How is it a bug in the game? A bug is the game code producing unwanted effects. The alliance war system clearly does not have a problem because the addition of corp. members behaves the way it should. It increases costs. Anyway, I do agree it is lame but there are so many more lame things in this game to worry about like Arma's using 8 WCS and Megaulses. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Prometheus Wrong	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:19:00 - [37] Edited by: Prometheus Wrong on 09/03/2005 10:03:44 Edited for change of mind: Took my own advice and thought about it...Yeah, this is lame and doesn't solve anything. To our critics: give those of us who think this is dumb and lame to kick our leaders in their asses. People being killed in empire with BPOs deserve to be killed, be it by legitimate enemies or greifers. This tactic should be below us.
fugazii	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:20:00 - [38] Originally by: Hastrabull Joshua, your (xetic) way of thinking is completely wrong. just wait a week, he'll change corp along w/his way of thinking. hahahah
Tholarim	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:20:00 - [39] Edited by: Tholarim on 09/03/2005 09:22:15 Originally by: Joshua Calvert It's simply pvp on a different field. Can't believe any1 could make himself believe that josh. Prometheus: You're making it sound like SAS exploit while they don't. CCP can't remove the oppurtunity for smaller corps to declare war on big alliances just because these alliances don't like the way that small corp fights. That's plain stupid.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:25:00 - [40] Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 09/03/2005 09:22:15 Originally by: Joshua Calvert It's simply pvp on a different field. Can't believe any1 could make himself believe that josh. Prometheus: You're making it sound like SAS exploit while they don't. CCP can't remove the oppurtunity for smaller corps to declare war on big alliances just because these alliances don't like the way that small corp fights. That's plain stupid. It is fighting alt. corps with alt corps. Isn't that balanced? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
darth solo	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Krapz It's no more unfair than using dual MWD when it was allowed. a corp declaring war on ur massive alliance is unfair?.. huh?.... its a game, try and have fun, its not about it being 100% risk free, its meant to get yer blood pumping. d solo.
Hastrabull	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:27:00 - [42] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Anyway, I do agree it is lame but there are so many more lame things in this game to worry about like Arma's using 8 WCS and Megaulses. This is some sort of tactics, as we can see effective tactics. It might be lame in 0.0 where u have map as your friend but in empire with thousands of people passing by its very useful tactic. There are also ways to counter it. Artificialy increasing numbers in alliance to make war costs higher and eliminating your enemies this way is not the way it should be. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:28:00 - [43] Quote: Every member of S.A.S has lo-slots full of WCS, use gankageddons at 60km+, have an alt at every gate leading into Manarq, and safespot/logout whenever a group of more than 4 XF warp to a gate they are camping. That's cowardly tactics of an alt corp. created specifically for the war. If characters can create a corp. specifically to declare war on another, why is it so wrong that XETIC create alt. corps to make them pay for their cowardice? S.A.S are the lamest gankers since Killer Clowns. Its not lame, its effective. From your point of view its lame, cos u lost ships. And you think its lame, cos u cant find any tactic that will counter this. This is lame. They are effective. 1. Its totally legal. The GM stated that corps put bootcamps and industrial sister corps all over eve. I bet I can find these XX industry, XX boot in many alliances. 2. If you look at the number of member per corp today... FA 83 per corp XETIC 77 per corp SE 70 per corp IMP 55 per corp PA 55 per corp FOE 40 per corp Kieretsu 30 per corp You can see that we are pretty well up top anyhow. 3. Funny how a ship full of warp core slabs pick of indies is somehow cool when its against XETIC. Funny how people want to dictate our policy if we decide to make it more expensive for them. Personally, I don't support this and I doubt it will be employed. I bet that even if it was employed xetic would have a higher member per corp figure then most of those bitter enemies crying in here. "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Tholarim	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:29:00 - [44] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 09/03/2005 09:22:15 Originally by: Joshua Calvert It's simply pvp on a different field. Can't believe any1 could make himself believe that josh. Prometheus: You're making it sound like SAS exploit while they don't. CCP can't remove the oppurtunity for smaller corps to declare war on big alliances just because these alliances don't like the way that small corp fights. That's plain stupid. It is fighting alt. corps with alt corps. Isn't that balanced? Hey you know my opinion on it. Thing is, you guys making it sound like you're all honourable about it is just no true. All you guys want is to force other people to play the game how you want it. You find out their main corp and war dec em, over and over and over. That's how you fix it. Not like this. It's a lame way to avoid losing tech2 bpo's...
darth solo	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:31:00 - [45] oh, and just for the record, zincol(SAS) is an old time pvper, who will be more than glad to fight u xetic guys 1v1 or in fairer numbers, ganking is part of the game as Xetic well know(massive fleets for 2 ppl kinda thing)... put yer heads together and come up with some dort of defence plan for ur alliance members, or do u need more ppl to do that with... ill say again, like i said before... if u find it impossible to defend ur members and must resort to these tactics that pretty much all of EVE hate, even ur own members, id disband the alliance, its noooooo working. d solo.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:31:00 - [46] Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 09/03/2005 09:22:15 Originally by: Joshua Calvert It's simply pvp on a different field. Can't believe any1 could make himself believe that josh. Prometheus: You're making it sound like SAS exploit while they don't. CCP can't remove the oppurtunity for smaller corps to declare war on big alliances just because these alliances don't like the way that small corp fights. That's plain stupid. It is fighting alt. corps with alt corps. Isn't that balanced? Hey you know my opinion on it. Thing is, you guys making it sound like you're all honourable about it is just no true. All you guys want is to force other people to play the game how you want it. You find out their main corp and war dec em, over and over and over. That's how you fix it. Not like this. It's a lame way to avoid losing tech2 bpo's... Hey, I think the method used (creation of alt corps to boost corp. count) is wrong. I'm annoyed that XF council did it. However, the reasoning behind it is very much a valid one. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:33:00 - [47] Edited by: Primer Xenius on 09/03/2005 09:34:15 Quote: Hey you know my opinion on it. Thing is, you guys making it sound like you're all honourable about it is just no true. All you guys want is to force other people to play the game how you want it. You find out their main corp and war dec em, over and over and over. That's how you fix it. Not like this. It's a lame way to avoid losing tech2 bpo's... Wink The logic... Its lame for an alliance to protect its people yet its perfectly fine to attack alliances via alt corps. "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Tholarim	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Primer Xenius Edited by: Primer Xenius on 09/03/2005 09:34:15 Quote: Hey you know my opinion on it. Thing is, you guys making it sound like you're all honourable about it is just no true. All you guys want is to force other people to play the game how you want it. You find out their main corp and war dec em, over and over and over. That's how you fix it. Not like this. It's a lame way to avoid losing tech2 bpo's... Wink The logic... Its lame for an alliance to protect its people yet its perfectly fine to attack alliances via alt corps. Where did i say it was lame to protect your people? Read, then think, then answer. I said the method and reasoning behind it are lame. If you protected your members by actually actively hunting down their mains no matter how often they switch corps, that would be alot more honourable.
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:41:00 - [49] Quote: I said the method and reasoning behind it are lame. If you protected your members by actually actively hunting down their mains no matter how often they switch corps, that would be alot more honourable. Don't lecture me on honorable please. "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Harridan's Hauling	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:46:00 - [50] Originally by: darth solo oh, and just for the record, zincol(SAS) is an old time pvper, who will be more than glad to fight u xetic guys 1v1 or in fairer numbers, ganking is part of the game as Xetic well know(massive fleets for 2 ppl kinda thing)... put yer heads together and come up with some dort of defence plan for ur alliance members, or do u need more ppl to do that with... ill say again, like i said before... if u find it impossible to defend ur members and must resort to these tactics that pretty much all of EVE hate, even ur own members, id disband the alliance, its noooooo working. d solo. The issues is that when any force which 'may' cause S.A.S issues appears in a surrounding system, they move to a safe spot. If scan probes appear, well they log. Then when everyone goes, they log back in. This is not honorable and does not make for good game play. The best descriptor I can come up with right now is lame. Harri
Shittake	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:46:00 - [51] I think the better approach for Xetic and other alliances that have a problem with the war declaration issues to just disband their formal alliance. There no rule that says you MUST use the formal alliance system, it makes some things simpler, mucks up other things. If it doesn't work the way you want it to, then just don't use it. Sure it'll be a pain to get everyone to set standings and all the other things you need to do to revert back to an informal alliance. BUT it will send a message to CCP that the biggest formal alliance in the game disbanded because they were slow to address and fix the problem. So either disband until CCP gets it fixed OR just deal with it. Inflating the war costs by creating alt corps and joining them to the alliance is a Public Relations nightmare in my opinion. Perhaps you should you reconsider.
darth solo	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:47:00 - [52] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 09/03/2005 08:49:36 Devil's Advocate speaking here too........ Originally by: JaiMaster The 4 man "coward" corp wars the 5000 member alliance looking for "cheap" kills, so the (obviously quite brave, honorable PVPers they are... ) XETIC federation in its infinite wisdom creates alts to make wars cost more... If all 5000 members post drivel like that, im opening a hardware store. The demand for shovels must be IMMENSE... Every member of S.A.S has lo-slots full of WCS, use gankageddons at 60km+, have an alt at every gate leading into Manarq, and safespot/logout whenever a group of more than 4 XF warp to a gate they are camping. That's cowardly tactics of an alt corp. created specifically for the war. If characters can create a corp. specifically to declare war on another, why is it so wrong that XETIC create alt. corps to make them pay for their cowardice? S.A.S are the lamest gankers since Killer Clowns. thats TOTAL bull, i pass SAS members camping Empire gates all the time... they are sitting on them, or close to them the times iv seen... dont try to justify ur lame tacitics with making SAS look bad... if they are using gankageddons at 60k, urmmm use a cloaked alts ganged?... noways u see some1 sneaking up to u cloaked on the scanner in yulai.. adapt... just because they dont sit there waiting for ur gank fleets to gank them, doesnt make them lame. wOOt. d solo.
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:48:00 - [53] Quote: I think the better approach for Xetic and other alliances that have a problem with the war declaration issues to just disband their formal alliance. There no rule that says you MUST use the formal alliance system, it makes some things simpler, mucks up other things. If it doesn't work the way you want it to, then just don't use it. However about we let alliance play their game how they want to. Again, I doubt this policy will be done much and still believe our member to corp ratio will be a lot high then FOE for example. The arguments here are mute. "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Tholarim	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:50:00 - [54] Originally by: Primer Xenius Quote: I said the method and reasoning behind it are lame. If you protected your members by actually actively hunting down their mains no matter how often they switch corps, that would be alot more honourable. Don't lecture me on honorable please. here we go again, primer drags in the past. But we're discussing your actions now primer, not mine. I'm not lecturing, i'm explaining what i think about it. You're the one going overly defensive and completely trying to derail this topic again. Primer could you bring up the post about the CA betrayal for the 100th time please....
CKOZUK	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:53:00 - [55] Originally by: Primer Xenius Edited by: Primer Xenius on 09/03/2005 09:34:15 Quote: Hey you know my opinion on it. Thing is, you guys making it sound like you're all honourable about it is just no true. All you guys want is to force other people to play the game how you want it. You find out their main corp and war dec em, over and over and over. That's how you fix it. Not like this. It's a lame way to avoid losing tech2 bpo's... Wink The logic... Its lame for an alliance to protect its people yet its perfectly fine to attack alliances via alt corps. S.A.S isn't an alt corp they've been around for ages ask Max he was in the corp. They have fought many corps including Dreamscape. So if your calling it an alt corp in the vain hope that the un informed think they are lame to boost your PR then think again.
CKOZUK	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:54:00 - [56] Originally by: Harridan's Hauling Originally by: darth solo oh, and just for the record, zincol(SAS) is an old time pvper, who will be more than glad to fight u xetic guys 1v1 or in fairer numbers, ganking is part of the game as Xetic well know(massive fleets for 2 ppl kinda thing)... put yer heads together and come up with some dort of defence plan for ur alliance members, or do u need more ppl to do that with... ill say again, like i said before... if u find it impossible to defend ur members and must resort to these tactics that pretty much all of EVE hate, even ur own members, id disband the alliance, its noooooo working. d solo. The issues is that when any force which 'may' cause S.A.S issues appears in a surrounding system, they move to a safe spot. Xetic did this in 0.0 for a fair few weeks when CA attacked do you think thats lame to? This post is my personal opinion and not one of my corp.
Rysse Andrama	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:55:00 - [57] TBH its interesting to see that the people on this forum calling Xetic lame are probably the biggest griefers and lame smacktards in the game. You lot use logon tactics and alts corps for this and that and when someone else does basically something similar you start smacking again calling other people lame. The only reason you war dec someone like Xetic with your alt corps is so you can gank indys flying around empire and all in the name of PVP???? yeah right. lame lame lame
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:56:00 - [58] Quote: here we go again, primer drags in the past. But we're discussing your actions now primer, not mine. I'm not lecturing, i'm explaining what i think about it. You're the one going overly defensive and completely trying to derail this topic again. Primer could you bring up the post about the CA betrayal for the 100th time please....Rolling Eyes Not dragging up anything about CA. So stop putting word in my mouth. "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Hastrabull	Posted - 2005.03.09 09:58:00 - [59] Edited by: Hastrabull on 09/03/2005 10:03:49 Originally by: Rysse Andrama TBH its interesting to see that the people on this forum calling Xetic lame are probably the biggest griefers and lame smacktards in the game. You lot use logon tactics and alts corps for this and that and when someone else does basically something similar you start smacking again calling other people lame. The only reason you war dec someone like Xetic with your alt corps is so you can gank indys flying around empire and all in the name of PVP???? yeah right. lame lame lame And you are who? I'm at work, dont have access to the game, but you look like an alt for me. Isnt that lame? I repeat. Xetics, you are pathetic in your actions and we WILL bring you down on your knees. Decision you have made, make you look stupid, unhonorable and lame. It will cause problems inside your alliance (some people in xetic know that what you have done is not right). You will repeat the same fate as CA. To much politics. For me... Happy empire ganking of funny Xetics ahead of me no more posts from my side. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
CORE TRADER	Posted - 2005.03.09 10:01:00 - [60] Quote: FA 83 per corp XETIC 77 per corp SE 70 per corp IMP 55 per corp PA 55 per corp FOE 40 per corp Kieretsu 30 per corp OWNED! Before you people argue next time, do some research.

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