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Monkiboy
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Posted - 2005.03.09 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Monkiboy on 09/03/2005 18:53:57 I understand what you mean. I agree, they're good points.
I just look back at CA times, and remember that I always preferred to pod jump back to empire and buy a ship off the market in preference to buying from a CA person because they gouged everyone. I wasnt going to line their pockets like that.
1.5 mill for a rifter? 129 mill for a Raven?
Yah right... someone's dreaming.
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Leno
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Posted - 2005.03.09 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus A good carebear base would be nice if they didn't hang out only in the area with NPC stations, and didn't keep all their minerals for themselves, and didn't sell Apocs to alliance mates for 129 mil.
Just my opinion.
I bought one at 115mil fully equipped with named mods and guns in Stain... now what does THAT say? ---------------
RIP - Smoske, My Friend
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.03.09 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Leno
Originally by: Alowishus A good carebear base would be nice if they didn't hang out only in the area with NPC stations, and didn't keep all their minerals for themselves, and didn't sell Apocs to alliance mates for 129 mil.
Just my opinion.
I bought one at 115mil fully equipped with named mods and guns in Stain... now what does THAT say?
lol, that must mean that some SE dont like what some other SE are "proclaiming" on these boards.
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
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looMin uS
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Posted - 2005.03.09 22:42:00 -
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No surprise there....
2005.03.13 13:11:52]Niazi>but u had guts to come back in[ 2005.03.13 13:12:02]Niazi>most ppl are sissies and dont turn up for a fight |
Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.03.10 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Leno
Originally by: Alowishus A good carebear base would be nice if they didn't hang out only in the area with NPC stations, and didn't keep all their minerals for themselves, and didn't sell Apocs to alliance mates for 129 mil.
Just my opinion.
I bought one at 115mil fully equipped with named mods and guns in Stain... now what does THAT say?
That says that despite alliance rules, the****s in Stain Region can't control themselves. I've never bought a ship in Stain but I have noticed 129 mil Apocs and 90 mil Scorps floating around. I build my own ships but that doesn't make those idiots right.
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Awalance
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Posted - 2005.03.10 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: Awalance on 10/03/2005 03:45:53 manny ppl post here without anny ideea abaut what means to protect miners and hanters 24/7, ran from a sistem to another to keep them safe and when you are to tiard to do this all jump in you hed and scream for help . I see this in the last days of CA when we was 10 military pilots in gang and 300 on alliance chat ..enemy 40-60 ,we call for help but no one do nothing . When my corp(phantom sqad) evacuete LJ-YSV we was 22 in gang but only 5 military pilots , we was forced to negociate with our enemy to let us to pas away and we was on SE total discretion .After we was stand tall in front of them we was forced to look down .
My personal opinion is after all pvp corps will left stain , SE will disband himself . Dont look on FA coz FA is a forum alliance ,they stop exist for few weeks . Its usless to have 2000 ppl in alliance but all in empire ,station safe spots ,POS or in sistem far far away from front line .
Time for great alliance died ,now only the strongest corporation will survived ,corporation with at least 80% military pilots ,corporation with 200-300 ppl in and at least 60% active .
Abaut Curse Alliance only words in my hed are : "where will be no more room in hell,dead will walcking on the earth"
Till now was 5 alliance fighting echoder ....now you have 40 corporations doing the same .Will be hell the largest battlefield in eve history ------------------------
after you die ,and all peoples who knows you die also ..its like you never exist |
Awalance
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Posted - 2005.03.10 03:42:00 -
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Edited by: Awalance on 10/03/2005 03:43:31 war in 0.0 space has just begun ,empire space will be full with miners and hanters for a long time ------------------------
after you die ,and all peoples who knows you die also ..its like you never exist |
Hastrabull
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Posted - 2005.03.10 11:21:00 -
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As i said in other topic... Next Generation is coming
Prepare for armageddon day ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.03.10 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hastrabull As i said in other topic... Next Generation is coming
Prepare for armageddon day
*emote braces for shockwave*
seriously thou... I still belive that the death of CA is the main cause of all this warring and destruction.
...think time will tell when this chaos will turn into order... might take a while thou... and I honestly belive that many alliances will fall before this ends. -------------------
Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
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Lana Lane
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:41:00 -
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omg guys few corps leaving, it's right v good ones and u all say stain will fall bla bla we are not gonna fall morover we will be making some internal changes this weekend that will bring us to our former strength, will not say what changes because this might aid some enemies of stain, not celes or any other empire monkeys :D but real threats like ex ca corps.point is we will reorganise and will not lose our power...i promise you..
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.03.10 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Lane omg guys few corps leaving, it's right v good ones and u all say stain will fall bla bla we are not gonna fall morover we will be making some internal changes this weekend that will bring us to our former strength, will not say what changes because this might aid some enemies of stain, not celes or any other empire monkeys :D but real threats like ex ca corps.point is we will reorganise and will not lose our power...i promise you..
yesterday another 2 corps left. btw, why cant SE travel through empire in anything but shuttles or big battlegroups of 30+ pilots? and i dont count huddling up in Agil as empire travel. i havent logged in yet today but i presume that a couple more will see the light today.
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
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infinity
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Posted - 2005.03.10 16:05:00 -
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Funny to see ppl think Se is dieng when they are actully doing a real good job. If u think SE is dealing with any real threads atm then u are verry wrong. After ca did disband our main thread did leave and only think left are few gate campers here and there who dont stay to fight if se send a fleet to deal with the problem. So no real thread there beside few ganks which will never do any real damage. CA where thouse who did put a pressure to SA with non stop attack and everyday we had areound 10+ fleet fights per day but now there is none since they left :( CA where the one who did put up a fight with a good pressure everyday wich stain did stand verry vel up from and i respect CA for makeing this game fun as it was. Stain dont need thouse corp who did leave and thouse who did leave have been there since eve did launche and trust me they wanna see a little more then just stain after 2 years of playing.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.03.10 16:06:00 -
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the problem stain has atm is that it is attacked everywhere and not everyone are able to respond and take their responsibility in defence of stain. some of the "former" Stain corps have not removed their SE tags in their bios or corp info's yet. this suggests that they only left the "official" alliance. it could be that some corps have left Stain for good while others only in name due to getting shot up to much by everyone.
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
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Ukiah
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Posted - 2005.03.10 16:09:00 -
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With a few exceptions, it's hard to KILL an alliance. CA fell from internal dissention, not external threats. If SE is weakening or about to fall, which I highly doubt, then it is because of similar internal problems and not any problems they're having with people blowing them up. Even the few alliances that were 'killed' weren't so much killed as gave up continuing to fight an unwinnable battle (UFS (CFS, StA, DSMA), FU, JQA, etc).
Stain, Fountain and Xetic are the bigger alliances and they're doing just fine. Many of the other alliances, GImperium, FIX and so on, are also alive and well.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.03.10 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ukiah With a few exceptions, it's hard to KILL an alliance. CA fell from internal dissention, not external threats. If SE is weakening or about to fall, which I highly doubt, then it is because of similar internal problems and not any problems they're having with people blowing them up. Even the few alliances that were 'killed' weren't so much killed as gave up continuing to fight an unwinnable battle (UFS (CFS, StA, DSMA), FU, JQA, etc).
Stain, Fountain and Xetic are the bigger alliances and they're doing just fine. Many of the other alliances, GImperium, FIX and so on, are also alive and well.
nevertheless you have to factor in the external pressure that the enemies of SE are getting. without any external pressure they would still be carebearing happily in stain and in empire. their miners are under attack in stain space by pirates and in empire celest have waged war for a long time against them now and we rarely see anything but shuttles or instajumping frigates with all lowslots filled with warpcorestabs. about once or twice a week we see a major fleet going in to empire consisting of 20+ BS plus support going for a spin for an hour or so and then returning to huddle up in agil or HED. fact remains that without the combined external pressure from several forces there would be no internal pressure.
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.03.10 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Malken some of the "former" Stain corps have not removed their SE tags in their bios or corp info's yet.
I think what you're getting at here is that you think corps are leaving Stain to avoid Empire war with CELES. I highly doubt this is the case. Empire war with CELES really isn't *that* big a deal to most of SE. We don't get to Empire. There are two kinds of Stainers in Empire, the n00bs who you guys gank and the people there specifically to fight you and RA. Surviving as n00b in an alliance in Empire or 0.0 is difficult as it is, these people should expect to die. The ones fighting you shouldn't expect to die but they know it's a possibility.
The third kind of Stainer is a 0.0 industrialist who isn't even near Empire. These people are having problems with Pirate Corps in SE right now, this is true. The fourth, and what I would say my corp is, is the ones who are PvPing and NPC hunting in our space and are content with that. We pop into Empire from time to time to get things but rarely do we encounter CELES.
So basically you effect maybe 20% of SE at a maximum. Look at your own killboard, you're killing the same people over and over again. I'm not knocking your corp or killing ability but I'm promising you that your corp and Empire wars have NOTHING to do with SE downsizing. To think otherwise is foolish and egotistical.
Malken=Troll=mod=moderation=10 times=ban
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Tiwaz
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Malken some of the "former" Stain corps have not removed their SE tags in their bios or corp info's yet.
I think what you're getting at here is that you think corps are leaving Stain to avoid Empire war with CELES. I highly doubt this is the case. Empire war with CELES really isn't *that* big a deal to most of SE. We don't get to Empire. There are two kinds of Stainers in Empire, the n00bs who you guys gank and the people there specifically to fight you and RA. Surviving as n00b in an alliance in Empire or 0.0 is difficult as it is, these people should expect to die. The ones fighting you shouldn't expect to die but they know it's a possibility.
The third kind of Stainer is a 0.0 industrialist who isn't even near Empire. These people are having problems with Pirate Corps in SE right now, this is true. The fourth, and what I would say my corp is, is the ones who are PvPing and NPC hunting in our space and are content with that. We pop into Empire from time to time to get things but rarely do we encounter CELES.
So basically you effect maybe 20% of SE at a maximum. Look at your own killboard, you're killing the same people over and over again. I'm not knocking your corp or killing ability but I'm promising you that your corp and Empire wars have NOTHING to do with SE downsizing. To think otherwise is foolish and egotistical.
Malken=Troll=mod=moderation=10 times=ban
Give it a rest dude. Have we claimed that we were the reason for the corps lwaving SE?. Only thing ive said, is that it cant help SE, that they ARE leaving.
Anyhow ur prolly right just under 3000 SE kills isent a big deal, but it has kept us with something to do from time to time.
There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. Only we are Righteous.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Malken some of the "former" Stain corps have not removed their SE tags in their bios or corp info's yet.
I think what you're getting at here is that you think corps are leaving Stain to avoid Empire war with CELES. I highly doubt this is the case. Empire war with CELES really isn't *that* big a deal to most of SE. We don't get to Empire. There are two kinds of Stainers in Empire, the n00bs who you guys gank and the people there specifically to fight you and RA. Surviving as n00b in an alliance in Empire or 0.0 is difficult as it is, these people should expect to die. The ones fighting you shouldn't expect to die but they know it's a possibility.
The third kind of Stainer is a 0.0 industrialist who isn't even near Empire. These people are having problems with Pirate Corps in SE right now, this is true. The fourth, and what I would say my corp is, is the ones who are PvPing and NPC hunting in our space and are content with that. We pop into Empire from time to time to get things but rarely do we encounter CELES.
So basically you effect maybe 20% of SE at a maximum. Look at your own killboard, you're killing the same people over and over again. I'm not knocking your corp or killing ability but I'm promising you that your corp and Empire wars have NOTHING to do with SE downsizing. To think otherwise is foolish and egotistical.
Malken=Troll=mod=moderation=10 times=ban
think you are thinking a bit to narrow here alowishus. i think they are leaving due to all the wars against SE not only due to Celest.
and no its not trolling or spamming unless it only contains namecalling and doesnt have anything to do with facts at all. and the SE alt Olympa is very much spamming and trolling and namecalling and cant actually say anything valuable to the discussion. hence why i now have sent in another mail to the moderators about that alt. i atleast have the courage to speak my mind with my main character. i may not always be right but atleast im not hiding behind anonymity and lack of comprehension skills.
and alowishus we have had people down in stain on several occasions. Fed has been taking regular trips down and most times he or someone else who comes in to a system in stain the stain members logs off. so where are the other 80% of stain then? are they alts like Olympa? if they are im pretty sure that SE will fall very soon.
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tiwaz Anyhow ur prolly right just under 3000 SE kills isent a big deal
That's less than one ship per member, which really is nothing. How many ships per member have you guys lost? And you're paying the war fees? Man, you guys have been kicking your own asses. Good job.
Need a hug?
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Emperor
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:08:00 -
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about time someone realized the truth that SE cant defend itself and its members want no part of keeping it around good job posting only a few months late... |
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Jacques Archambault
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:13:00 -
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Tiwaz Anyhow ur prolly right just under 3000 SE kills isent a big deal
That's less than one ship per member, which really is nothing. How many ships per member have you guys lost? And you're paying the war fees? Man, you guys have been kicking your own asses. Good job.
Need a hug?
actually many Celes members have becom billionaires during this war due to all the megacyte and zydrine that has dropped fom your ships :)
and i get my hugs from Plim so im ok.
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
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Nick Curso
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Posted - 2005.03.10 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Nick Curso on 10/03/2005 22:21:17 Ok MASS leaveing because of pressure from celest in empire? errr.... NO! we had 13 Wars at one point including OC and RUS and trust me that was alot harder that Celest. MASS have lived and have been self sufficient in 0.0 since neally its creation so i can say for sure u guys had nothing to do with our leaveing.
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Valeria Devereux
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Posted - 2005.03.10 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lallante Yes we are. We took Period Basis against FA fleets 4 times our number on our own. We beat FA/PBL/FIX mixed fleets numbering over 70 on 4 occassions. If thats not going it alone, nothing is.
*a-hem* riding ATUK's coattails *a-hem* |
Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2005.03.10 23:02:00 -
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Storm Guard Elite just left Stain as well. =============== Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.03.10 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Storm Guard Elite just left Stain as well.
You're right. CELES killed SE.
I'm not going to argue and say something isn't up with all the corps leaving but it's simply funny that any outside entity thinks they are responsible. It reminds me of all the people claiming victory over CA when they simply broke up because one half hated the other half.
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Dezra
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Posted - 2005.03.11 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Storm Guard Elite just left Stain as well.
You're right. CELES killed SE.
I'm not going to argue and say something isn't up with all the corps leaving but it's simply funny that any outside entity thinks they are responsible. It reminds me of all the people claiming victory over CA when they simply broke up because one half hated the other half.
Fact is you have no part of this conflict, but still you insist on posting like you did. You might fly the SE tag, but you sure as hell aint "pvping" as you said your corp do. You are nothing more than a carebear who thinks he is a pvper. Grow some and get involved or leave it to the ppl who do fight.
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2005.03.11 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 11/03/2005 00:41:58 Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 11/03/2005 00:38:15
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Storm Guard Elite just left Stain as well.
You're right. CELES killed SE.
I'm not going to argue and say something isn't up with all the corps leaving but it's simply funny that any outside entity thinks they are responsible. It reminds me of all the people claiming victory over CA when they simply broke up because one half hated the other half.
Alowishus I've never once stated we caused Stain to crumble. I've only posted the fact Storm Guard Elite left. As I posted in another thread, I do NOT BELIEVE CELES is the only factor in Stain's fall.
EDIT: Here is that other thread:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=157315&page=2
Edit version 2.0: Same message, essentially. Purely for your edification. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=159386&page=1 =============== Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.03.11 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dezra
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Storm Guard Elite just left Stain as well.
You're right. CELES killed SE.
I'm not going to argue and say something isn't up with all the corps leaving but it's simply funny that any outside entity thinks they are responsible. It reminds me of all the people claiming victory over CA when they simply broke up because one half hated the other half.
Fact is you have no part of this conflict, but still you insist on posting like you did. You might fly the SE tag, but you sure as hell aint "pvping" as you said your corp do. You are nothing more than a carebear who thinks he is a pvper. Grow some and get involved or leave it to the ppl who do fight.
Fact is we have more than just one enemy. There's that CELES ego again. I pvp, just not in Empire. I hope I've straightened things out for you.
Good day.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.03.11 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Malken on 11/03/2005 01:29:32
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Dezra
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth Storm Guard Elite just left Stain as well.
You're right. CELES killed SE.
I'm not going to argue and say something isn't up with all the corps leaving but it's simply funny that any outside entity thinks they are responsible. It reminds me of all the people claiming victory over CA when they simply broke up because one half hated the other half.
Fact is you have no part of this conflict, but still you insist on posting like you did. You might fly the SE tag, but you sure as hell aint "pvping" as you said your corp do. You are nothing more than a carebear who thinks he is a pvper. Grow some and get involved or leave it to the ppl who do fight.
Fact is we have more than just one enemy. There's that CELES ego again. I pvp, just not in Empire. I hope I've straightened things out for you.
Good day.
im sorry to burst your bubble alowishus but its only you that claims that we are claiming that we are destroying SE.
i claimed that the combined and continued external pressure from several corps and RA has contributed to the facts we see when 15 corps have left SE. im pretty sure that your trolling and selfrighteousness in your posts calling your SE members carebears and whatever dont help much either, especially since your own war efforts are just as bad as another well known SE forum ***** are.
remember to be on the battlefield and fight before you call your alliance members carebears that needs to be thrown out.
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
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