And then?
Cheap minerals, cheap ships, more explosions. Almost everyone wins.

That sounds pretty good deal for $17 to me.

Where do I sign up ?

9) profit less every day!

They should maybe adapt and diversifying their portfolio.

In Eve a miracle is a miner moving to low or null to operate. In Eve a miracle is an industry corp who says "no" to safety and "yes" to profit. That's a miracle. Miners wanted CCP to do everything for them. And it was so.

Enjoy the $17 lottery payout!

They should maybe adapt and diversifying their portfolio.

They should start buying scratchcards too!

"If enough people diversify their portfolios all the ores and ices will be mined more or less evenly due to the law of averages."

That happened 6 months ago. I've finally figured out the reason for your thread being months behind the times...you're months behind the times.

So is your problem with mining in general? Do you think it should not exist?

Or are you a miner yourself and just want more profits for yourself?

You don't want everyone to "win" in Eve, just you?

Watch the price of Tritanium!!!

1) Absolutely not. I think miners are critical to Eve in more limited quantities.

2) I used to mine 5-6 years ago. In a Vexor. For small durations. I hated it.

3) Absolutely not. I want people to win at Eve because they're good at the game, not because CCP prints winning tickets called "Mackinaw." It's healthy for the game when people can win or lose. Win-only isn't a good option. It never was.

What, it'll go down? It's been less than 2 isk and STILL miners mined.

That'll be a problem for YOU... how?

It was less than two ISk because there was an artificial ceiling for it created by NPC-distributed sell orders for shuttles.

When NPC-spawned shuttle orders disappeared from the market, the price of trit quickly elevated past the artificial ceiling.

The new system has no artificial ceiling.

....now all the miners are splitting ever smaller shares of that payout. Not unironically, the more they mine the more they exacerbate this situation.

Non-miners should rejoice.
If miners make the problem, miners suffer for it. Either way, it's THEIR problem.

For mine, if my lottery ticket costs me 10 and I win 17, I'm in front. I will keep doing it until either
1) Ticket prices go up
2) Payout goes down

Then I'll just stop buying lottery tickets and place bets on Zagdul not wearing a dress for a week. Profit.



So you want CCP to nerf macks (do everything for you)?

Why can't YOU be the miracle son? You know, BE the miracle.

Gank more Macks?
Bring the CFC into highsec and mount another campaign?
Buy all the minerals on the market and sell in batches?
Play another game?
Stop whining and actually blow more stuff up to keep prices higher?

Nope. Easy solution. Nerf mining.

In 6 months you'll be complaining ships cost too much.

Your argument is strong.

You basically asked me if I wanted CCP to do what they did for miners who would not adapt.

Your argument is so strong!

Actually this economic theorising to provide justifcation for any change is extraordinary.

The other day I had the audacity to say that all production platforms in 0.0 (POS's) should be able to be one-shotted by a small determined group by removing timers.

I made the claim as a NON-sov holder who does not own a production tower in 0.0.

The first argument AGAINST the idea - that'll drive prices up.

So here we are now, non-miners, many part of sov-holding empires, claiming that Mackinaws, the production platform of the miner, should be blown up to keep prices high.


So which is it?

...except that I don't believe that we have seen a significant and sustained drop in mineral prices, have we?

If this is such an issue, why are mineral prices staying high? Most ores are staying over 200 ISK per cubic meter, topped by Mercoxit and Arkonor, null sec ores.

Unless you mean ice. But given the amount of effort needed to mine ice, I think the profit is about right. POS owners sure like the lower price.

Nothing has been sustained because the change is new.
Drops? Oh hell yes.