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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:08:00 -
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- Mercenary Coalition Announcement -
The Mercenary CoalitionÆs contract against Force of Evil is now finished. The final results of our campaign can be found here.
FoE Contract Results
We hope that the client is pleased with our work.
A few words to the Force of Evil pilots and leadership:
On behalf of the entire Coalition, I salute your ability and willingness to engage. Of special note was the almost non-existence of smack in public or private over the past month.
The war with FoE was the most action-packed contract I have ever participated in, with the war raging over a dozen star systems in every class of ship imaginable. This was not just a random series of gankings, although there were plenty of those. This contract was a series of hit and runs, blob dodging, small skirmishes, battleship slugfestsà In other words, a war!
Respect to FoE!
The Coalition will be taking the next week off to conduct pilot evaluations, redeploy assets, restock ammo, get some sleep and hold sandwich making classes.
Leafo and I are working hard to have the FoE Contract movie finished as soon as possible. The release date is scheduled for 17 March 2005, 1800 EVE time. WeÆll see you in the Video section then!
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Draximus Cane
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:11:00 -
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Kudos for FoE's willingness to fight, Kudos to our new partners in the MC.
Ponders who the next contract will be against
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Sivona
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:12:00 -
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A very enjoyable and generally apart from a few noteables smack free war with a minimum of distasteful behaviour encountered.
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Yolan
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:18:00 -
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Excellent fights and lots of fun, thanks for all the times ya ganked me
Seriously though before this war I was very much a bs pilot but you guys taught me alot about frigate fighting and tactics so lots of fun and a learning experience to boot.
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PerrinAybarra
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:19:00 -
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I would have to say it was an interesting war and well fought on both sides.
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Foyle
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:20:00 -
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Thanks Seleene,
The Force of Evil had great fun fighting the Coalition. Smack was non existent and all engagements were done with honor.
Repect to Mercenary Coalition and it's leadership.
Watch for the Coalition, "You could be next!"
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:30:00 -
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I think we can safely say that we hold nothing but respect for these few pilots: they can do more damage than an alliance with none of the fuss.
The war was an excellent trial for ourselves, and the fighting was nothing short of amazing. Good nature goes a long way.
respect
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Run and fall or stand in line, in the end what's your's is mine |
mark10201
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:35:00 -
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Id like to extend thanks from Celtic Industries for much valued pvp.
Great war, Really good fun, And as far as i saw 100% smack free which is always good
Thx MC
Mark10201
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V2GBR
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:35:00 -
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respect to both sides.
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www.webinventions.co.uk <-- My eve history. |
The Grum
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:36:00 -
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Well i must say ive loved this merc war imensely. Been very euducational so hopefuly i can now use some of my hard earned lessons on someone else 
GG guys and fly safe ( well until next time we are at war )
/me waves to Ithildin
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toccz
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:38:00 -
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gg
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Leno
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Leno on 10/03/2005 20:49:39
Very nice stuff, tho u might want to talk to Dimension about his pricing of the HAC (18m). They cost alot more then that to lose (sorry sticklar for those things, my own corps using the defaul value drives me NUTS)
Anyway some awsome stuff there, wish I could of been more of a part of it.
EDIT: Ignore me just saw the * at the bottom explaining it is buy insurance payout... still be nice if someone worked out more proper values, and then maybe posted it for all to use
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RIP - Smoske, My Friend
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Leno
Edited by: Leno on 10/03/2005 20:49:39
Very nice stuff, tho u might want to talk to Dimension about his pricing of the HAC (18m). They cost alot more then that to lose (sorry sticklar for those things, my own corps using the defaul value drives me NUTS)
Anyway some awsome stuff there, wish I could of been more of a part of it.
EDIT: Ignore me just saw the * at the bottom explaining it is buy insurance payout... still be nice if someone worked out more proper values, and then maybe posted it for all to use
Everything is taken direct from the insurance cost.
There is no other way of agreeing on a proper price.
Respect to both sides for a good smak-free war.
gg
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:51:00 -
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good war, the best thing about it, is the movies that come out afterwards! 
looking forward to the movie(s)
you guys were more of a pain than a 5000+ man alliance
My vids and random stuff |
Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:53:00 -
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Thanks for the comments, all.
Originally by: Leno
Very nice stuff, tho u might want to talk to Dimension about his pricing of the HAC (18m). They cost alot more then that to lose (sorry sticklar for those things, my own corps using the defaul value drives me NUTS
We debated playing with the default values for HACs & Intys but decided that it was best to just stick to the same standard - the insurance payout. Obviously, the average ship loss figures don't take into account T2 or named mods whether the kill is a HAC or a BS. The standard has to be somewhere and Dimension's system is about as impartial as it gets. It's not tottaly fair to the killers or the killed, but at least it's constant.
A special caveat to our HAC losses - the Coalition produces the Deimos, Zealot and Eagle ourselves. As they were the majority of our losses, that kind of cushioned the blow a bit.
To anyone considering using the 'killboard.net' system: you'll find DimensionZ to be a tireless and extremely attentive admin. He has done a lot of custom work for the Coaltion Killboard and it's all been top notch. I cannot recommend the system highly enough.
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zincol
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Posted - 2005.03.10 20:55:00 -
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"This was not just a random series of gankings, although there were plenty of those. This contract was a series of hit and runs, blob dodging, small skirmishes, battleship slugfestsà In other words, a war!"
Sounds just like our wa with xetic :-) Good to see you all having fun!
w00t!
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:00:00 -
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u guys liked ur HACs and assualt frigs, the NSN gank was one to remember
poor leafo and co.
i feel sorry for whoever is your next contract 
My vids and random stuff |
Krapz
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:04:00 -
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Yeah, I can say that for CLS fighters, this war has been a lot of fun too. No smack, and that's important (to me anyways) and we've pretty much carved up empire more or less. So if either party wants a fight, we can just "cross the line." Look forward to more fun fights!
btw, love the new sigs MC guys. Top notch and too funneh!
-- Insert cool graphics sig here -- |
Leno
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
A special caveat to our HAC losses - the Coalition produces the Deimos, Zealot and Eagle ourselves.
TAKE ME! I LOVE YOU LONG TIME!
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RIP - Smoske, My Friend
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The Kinetic
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:08:00 -
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A fun war idd and no smack, wp the MC lads.
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Balistic Void on 10/03/2005 21:15:17
Edited by: Balistic Void on 10/03/2005 21:14:24
gf
Seleene, that HAC issue skews the figures considerably. You still came out way ahead tho
BS Loss = (Ship Cost + Insurance Cost) - Payout = (100 + 30) - 100 = 30 million isk.
HAC Loss = (Ship Cost + Insurance Cost) - Payout = (80 + 8) - 18 = 70 million isk.
Very rough figures, but if you put such effort into producing a report like this you should do it properly. I remember being annoyed at the same issue when you presented TPS your report from the UNICOR contract (the use of insurance payout alone to determine isk damage).
Edit: Just read some other replies as I was typing that. I think everyone can quite easily agree on a formula for losses.
(Ship Cost + Insurance Cost) - Payout
This leaves 3 variables: 2 of which are fixed by the game (ins cost and payout). Surely everyone can agree on the isk cost of ships? The problem is it changes over time - particularly with newer ships, but that shouldn't be a big deal.
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Taris Arrathan
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:11:00 -
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Who needs a week of??? ;)
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Cabadrin
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:14:00 -
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A mind-blowing war, filled with more action than any other war I've been in. Great fights and good luck to FoE 
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 10/03/2005 21:29:41
Originally by: Balistic Void
Seleene, that HAC issue skews the figures considerably. You still came out way ahead tho
BS Loss = (Ship Cost + Insurance Cost) - Payout = (100 + 30) - 100 = 30 million isk.
HAC Loss = (Ship Cost + Insurance Cost) - Payout = (80 + 8) - 18 = 70 million isk.
Very rough figures, but if you put such effort into producing a report like this you should do it properly. I remember being annoyed at the same issue when you presented TPS your report from the UNICOR contract (the use of insurance payout alone to determine isk damage).
Balistic - NO.
The standard is there for a reason. The fact of the matter is that the insurance payout on HACs is a lot closer to reality in terms of production cost. The things are still vastly overpriced. There are too many variables to consider when calculating damage. For my corp, losing a Deimos or a Zealot is about the same as losing a Battlecruiser. We mass produce the things 24/7. We kill an enemy Deimos, he's out 100 million+ ISK. We lose one, it's not even half that. The killboard does not, and cannot make that distinction.
No one can agree on the cost of a ship because there are too many things to consider. I know that some of the BS we killed were worth well over 300-400 million ISK, but we only get credit for maybe 50% of that. So, in that respect, the killboard works for and against us. The Pend Insurance payout is the only way to do these things.
As far as the effort, all I did was enter a lot of kill mails and post the link. The database does everything else.
If you still don't see the light, let's just agree to disagree, Void.
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psycorabbit
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:29:00 -
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great fun war loads of fights no smacktalk kudos to foe, now to find some more panties and prepare for the next targets
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Farjung
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:33:00 -
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Fun war, good fights!
If only scan probes didn't show up on the damn scanner! >_<
Someone really needs to keep me away from the Taranis |
Krapz
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: psycorabbit
great fun war loads of fights no smacktalk kudos to foe, now to find some more panties and prepare for the next targets
It was YOU who did the sigs wasn't it psyco!
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Sheriff Justice
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:33:00 -
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Fun
SJ
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:41:00 -
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I'm sad to say I didn't join BDCI till near the end of the contract and so missed out on some standup fights with FOE. Despite that, there were *still* plenty of great fights and some excellent engagements!
GG and glad to have fought y'all.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Generatorn
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:48:00 -
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Awsome fighting you guys was a blast especially the fight at obe gate in hakonen when our fleets clashed
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:48:00 -
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FoE: an enemy with a willingness to fight.
Please submit that for your next dictionary, gentlemen!
GG etc gf lol roflcopters and more of those things :)
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I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
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Foyle
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Posted - 2005.03.10 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Foyle on 10/03/2005 21:53:14
Not everyone will agree on the stats; and who lost more ships, isk, midnight lays with their wife or breakfast with their secretary.
I think this 3 week war was good in a lot of ways, it showed a new alliance where our strengths and weaknesses are. In addition, I know for fact, that FOE had a kick ass time, this is a game so having fun was our first priority.
That one weekend we had 4 engagements back to back in 3 different areas was a great moral booster and enjoyed immensely. I think I speak for most of FOE when I say, we welcome the chance to do this again some day. Next contract make the clients hire you for a wee bit longer please:)
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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psycorabbit
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Posted - 2005.03.10 22:09:00 -
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Quote:
It was YOU who did the sigs wasn't it psyco
nope im afraid i cant claim credit for our kickass sigs next guess :p
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Darwin
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Posted - 2005.03.10 22:12:00 -
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Had alot of fun. Mercenary Coalition are great fighters. Take care guys
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Heikki
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Posted - 2005.03.10 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
We mass produce the things 24/7. We kill an enemy Deimos, he's out 100 million+ ISK. We lose one, it's not even half that.
Actually doubt that. Assuming there is market for those overpriced HACs, when you lose one, it costs 50M you cited, plus extra 50M as lost opportunity cost (which you would have profited if you had sold the HAC).
Kinda like claiming that losing a Navy Raven didnt cost anything if you got it as a free reward..
So, market prices do give better overall estimate of losses than insurance payouts...they just require a bit more maintenance.
-Lasse
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Rehen
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Posted - 2005.03.10 22:58:00 -
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gf but on the subject of the scoring 113 mill for a bs kill is a bit much i know thta i loss a max of 40mill on a bs loss and thats with tec 2 mods
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Lowa
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Posted - 2005.03.10 23:03:00 -
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What can I say...the last weeks has by FAR been the best I've had in EVE since...
Cant remember actually! I have been longing for a stand-up fight, mass fleets and
fast'n furious frig fights and I've been getting it all! Smack free to boot!
And I've learned some stuff as well, here's a short list:
1. Never lock a target with an active module (dont know why I did that again).
2. If you miss your lock and the cross-hair disapears, check if the module is still
blinking when you click something else.
3.1 Dont sit around a raven too long and...
3.2 The BIG red blob heading towards you assault frig really is 6 torpedos!
3.3 When trying to warp from said torpedos, make sure you mark a gate that is warpable.
All in all, its been a blast and I thank you both friend and foe!
Cheers,
LOWA
Oh! Yeah! Huh! MC - Going funky all over your clone baby! |
Leno
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Posted - 2005.03.10 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rehen
gf but on the subject of the scoring 113 mill for a bs kill is a bit much i know thta i loss a max of 40mill on a bs loss and thats with tec 2 mods
Like Seleene put it so well, it goes both ways so the prices don't matter and after thinking about it i have to agree that the insurance payout is the best way to go.
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RIP - Smoske, My Friend
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Zarthanon
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Posted - 2005.03.10 23:21:00 -
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Was a friggen awesome war m8s! I've got the same opinions as most of the other people that have posted. Can't wait to see the movie of us beating each other up! Make sure you get some of Ballistic Void and his 3l33t C3pt0r sk1llz in there!
2004.12.11 15:13:28combatYour 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I perfectly strikes Caldari Control Tower [FREEE], wrecking for 1016.6 damage. |
Ivana Killya
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Posted - 2005.03.10 23:30:00 -
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Good luck MC twas fun
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C4w3
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Posted - 2005.03.10 23:53:00 -
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Good post Seleene.
And it was fun
Great fun even
"If all the heroes are standing together around a strange device and begin to taunt me, I will pull out a conventional one. |
wEkrId
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Posted - 2005.03.10 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: wEkrId on 11/03/2005 00:05:11
CDI salutes, merc coalition ..
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taaf
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Posted - 2005.03.10 23:59:00 -
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respect to FoE. it was fun
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Valeriya
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Posted - 2005.03.11 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Valeriya on 11/03/2005 00:02:41
Due to RL issues I wasn't able to be on 100% of the time, but when I was it was a blast. Awesome display of force and skill from both sides. It truly was a war. If we could get contracts like this all the time I'd never wanna log off! Who needs sleep anyways?
/me can't wait for the first combined Leafo/Seleene video. 
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Altai Saker
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Posted - 2005.03.11 00:41:00 -
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Seleene's 425 II hurt alot... I never liked that scorpion though...
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Danks
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Posted - 2005.03.11 00:42:00 -
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Was great fun guys, nothing but respect for FOE.
This is what Eve is all about! I think we all had fun, blew each other up a good bit.
Stuff like this is why I play this game
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.03.11 00:50:00 -
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Don't believe the propaganda. They're really taking time off to scarf some of Supremacy's surplus ham before it goes bad.
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Weeman
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Posted - 2005.03.11 00:57:00 -
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Well due to certain factors i was only able to be on every couple of weekends or so, but even still i had a fantastic time fighting the mercs. As a one time FRICK applicant i knew the damage they could do, but i dont think i'll ever forget the time i popped a frick crow...then 1 minute later a 22 man merc fleet warps right onto the gate i was at - at the very least it made me jump and the pulse quicken a fair amount :P and that folks, is what its all about.
In many ways i wanted this war to continue - i'd rather fight BDCI/FRICK/NSN and even some old friends in -TC- than the mugs that are xetic. I've had a good look at the kills you got on us (Legion) and tbh they didnt hurt is in anyway, and im pleased with that fact, the losses we sustained were very acceptable, especailly compared to the amount of damage we caused so on that level im happy. Was a nice war, and i deffo can t wait for the video :)
Shouts out to Raggy, Samaba and Madgaz - these geezers kept up the cause while i couldnt be there, good ******* game lads, well played
Nerf Resistance/Rank 5/SP: 1240731 of 1280000  |
BrotherDeath
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Posted - 2005.03.11 01:46:00 -
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Good stuff guys thanks for the fight.
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fugazii
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Posted - 2005.03.11 02:45:00 -
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was alot of fun, much respect.
thxs for not making me primary :)
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Leosian
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Posted - 2005.03.11 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: Leosian on 11/03/2005 05:25:32
This was a series of good fights all around. I have much respect to the FoE pilots who both kept it clean and continued to put up a fight.
Let the slaughter of empire begin... |
Weco
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Posted - 2005.03.11 09:32:00 -
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Sounds like a nice war, to bad I joined one day before it expired
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What he said? |
Lowa
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Posted - 2005.03.11 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zarthanon
Can't wait to see the movie of us beating each other up!
Make sure you get some of Ballistic Void and his 3l33t C3pt0r sk1llz in there!
I dont know if we do...I dont think I have it at least. Well..when come to think
of it I do. When you guys attacked my BB last night (20min before eow) but you did
keep a safe distance. A wise choice.
I waited for Void at the SUN later on but no, he just had to play with my corpmate
and kill him instead and all I got was a crappy frig. 
Cheers,
LOWA
Oh! Yeah! Huh! MC - Going funky all over your clone baby! |
Leafo
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Posted - 2005.03.11 10:35:00 -
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I can just agree with everyone that has posted in this thread.
This is by far the most fun time I have ever had in EVE. It was as Seleene put it - a real war. It had the standard ganks sure, but that aside it had some of the most odd fights I have ever participated in. In virtually all shiptypes.
FoE did put us in situations that did push us close to the limit when trying to adapt the tactics. And I must say that you guys were very good to adapt to whatever tactic we pulled out of our sleves. Not once before in this game has an enemy done that, much fun.
And most of all the almost non existent smack was awesome!
I salute you in FoE. You have always been good fighters, so have we. But I believe that both parties now are even better. Watch out!
Now...were did I put that last clip of ships going BOOM for the video?
//Leafo
(and yes you read Seleenes post right, the video is a co-production between Seleene and myself. Release: 17/3 on video forums. )
click on sig for all my videos
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Captain Morria
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Posted - 2005.03.11 11:11:00 -
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...yes...yes..yes and yes..
oh..btw who won?
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.11 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Morria
...yes...yes..yes and yes..
oh..btw who won?
See my original post for a link to the contract results. Make your own decision from there.
I can't stop laughing at Leafo's new sig.
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Eleese
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Posted - 2005.03.11 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Morria
...yes...yes..yes and yes..
oh..btw who won?
Everyone |
Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.03.11 11:35:00 -
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The MC was paid to do a job by a client. The results of this are shown by the link in the first post.
During this contract, both the MC and FOE had great fun fighting each other.
Eleese is right, Mercs, Client, Target, EVERYONE won.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.03.11 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Trooper B99
The MC was paid to do a job by a client. The results of this are shown by the link in the first post.
During this contract, both the MC and FOE had great fun fighting each other.
Eleese is right, Mercs, Client, Target, EVERYONE won.
You guys are just to politicly correct troop.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.03.11 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tholarim
You guys are just to politicly correct troop.
Well, if that gets more fights like those (only partook in the last few sadly but listening in on afew more) then I'll be as politically correct as they come!
Anyho, stats do alot of the talking for client, target and intersted parties looking for hirelings and pure stats are as non-biased as you can get.
\o/ for Dimensionz.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2005.03.11 12:04:00 -
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nice post seleene
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.03.11 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Morria
...yes...yes..yes and yes..
oh..btw who won?
For one, the Veldspar miners won.. Did you see all those ships that need replacement? 
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I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2005.03.11 12:47:00 -
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Leafo and seleenes first co-directed movie! Cant wait truely for me the best 2 movie makers in game.
We are cursed men
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Psychopat
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Posted - 2005.03.11 14:57:00 -
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Been fun fighting this war. I lost more than I killed
and I got no problem with that because the Merc coalition
is a bunch of skilled fighters.
I didnt know much about the mercs before the war, but Kudos
goes out to Seleene. You have introduced you coalition as
a mature, and team oriented group of people that takes care of buisniss.
-=water? Never touch the stuff,fish fock in it=- |
Krapz
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Posted - 2005.03.11 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Captain Morria
...yes...yes..yes and yes..
oh..btw who won?
For one, the Veldspar miners won.. Did you see all those ships that need replacement?
Veldspar mining crystals 4tw!
btw, wtf, did JC go get banned again or something?
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Eleese
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Posted - 2005.03.11 17:03:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Trooper B99
The MC was paid to do a job by a client. The results of this are shown by the link in the first post.
During this contract, both the MC and FOE had great fun fighting each other.
Eleese is right, Mercs, Client, Target, EVERYONE won.
You guys are just to politicly correct troop.
****ingof people wouldnt make us very neutral, and wouldnt get us contracts :) |
Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.03.11 18:07:00 -
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If both parties are so happy about the war, wouldn't that result in the MC getting fewer contracts in the future since the target is only going to enjoy it? ^^
(unless of course the target is the one hiring you guys .. ;))
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.03.11 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Eleese
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Trooper B99
The MC was paid to do a job by a client. The results of this are shown by the link in the first post.
During this contract, both the MC and FOE had great fun fighting each other.
Eleese is right, Mercs, Client, Target, EVERYONE won.
You guys are just to politicly correct troop.
****ingof people wouldnt make us very neutral, and wouldnt get us contracts :)
yeah assumed as much
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Zarthanon
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Posted - 2005.03.11 18:17:00 -
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TBH... when you declare war on a Pirate Alliance... (be it that we did lose a lot) we got what we yearn for. I like PvPing more than I do NPCing or anything else. We do have... well, a lot of nOObs that as you can see lost us a lot of BS by running around solo thinking they're hardcore. And I was noticing that most of the people that died, wore WCS. More people die wearing WCS than don't when they aren't wearing WCS. Kinda a weird twist there. Anyways, to me both sides won. Kill-wise, we lost yes. but it's a game... if you at least had a tiny bit of fun it was worth it. Props to MC, much respect!
Zarth
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.11 19:03:00 -
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There's a funny twist on this whole "who won, who lost" thing: to really know that, you'd have to know the starting goal not of the MC, but of the people who hired them.
If their goal was to break FOE, they lost.
If it was to spend a ton of isk so MC and FOE pilots could have fun for a month -- then we're all winners!
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Marichek
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Posted - 2005.03.11 20:27:00 -
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Awesome war, MerCoal!
RL kept me away from eve more than usual, unfortunately, but at the same time it was one of the more challenging and fun times in EvE for me..ever!
It is clear that this was one of the most successful wars for you in terms of ships destroyed, but it looks like we gave you one hell of a run for your money! :) This makes me very proud!
After a few minutes of number-crunching:
You increased your prior kill record of 409 ships to 1,149, which is 2.8x
We increased your prior loss record to 219 from 45, which is 4.8x
You destroyed 13.47 billion isk worth of ships, which is 6.2x your previous record of 2.18 billion isk worth.
What would your losses be in isk using the same calculation?
I can't wait for the video, I'm sure it will have an unusual tone because of the sheer mass and volume of ships that were destroyed on both sides!
Good work, nothing but respect, and thank you, MerCoal, for the best time i've ever had in eve!
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Cabadrin
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Posted - 2005.03.11 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Marichek
You destroyed 13.47 billion isk worth of ships, which is 6.2x your previous record of 2.18 billion isk worth.
What would your losses be in isk using the same calculation?
If you look closely on the page with more details, you'll see that it says how much we lost isk-wise Total Losses: 219 Total ISK : 1,386M. So there you go
Plus I wanted to say, our new sigs rock!
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.11 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 11/03/2005 21:40:58
LOL!! Mari, I think you just did more math on this than I could ever want to!
I can only speak for myself, but I don't really think of it in terms of how we've done before. As I said in my statement, this was actually a war. It's easy to look at the numbers and try to say, "Oh look at all the ganks!" but the truth of the matter is that FoE made us work for a large majority of those kills. There were a lot of 3 on 3 type fights that were just awesome.
Our losses are represenative of the fact that we had an enemy that actually came out to fight. We were more than happy to fight back! We fought outnumbered, we ganked, we blobbed up, we did hit and runs, we crashed gate camps... it was a great war with which to forge our newly formed Coalition into a sharpened sword.
As for the video... ugh!! We have footage from about ten different pilots. The sheer volume and quality of it is fantastic. The only problem is that Leafo and I are commited to trying to make something that will not be just one explosion after another and keep the viewer's interest over a 15-20 minute period. That means that a lot of good clips are going to be left out in order to make the overall product flow better. It may not be what everyone wants or expects, but we're going to try like hell to show the different types of fighting that takes place in a war like this in Empire.
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Marichek
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Posted - 2005.03.11 21:43:00 -
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ah, thank you cabadrin. i even saw that page, but forgot about it when i was making my analysis, hehe.
You lost 1.39 billion isk worth of ships, which is 2.7x more than your previous loss record of .51 billion. Still much less than what you destroyed of ours, lol.
lest we forget that this is the first time you have all been involved in the same war, so thats one major reason the numbers are so inlfated. udoubtedly, whatever your next contract is, it should really tell a story!
Good work!
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Marichek
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Posted - 2005.03.11 21:46:00 -
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Oh, another thought just as i refreshed and read your post, seleene. A lot of us use eve-files, so if there is anyway to allow you to access some of our fraps you'd have even MORE material, LOL.
could this be the first video that requires a "director's cut?"
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Lowa
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Posted - 2005.03.12 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Marichek
Oh, another thought just as i refreshed and read your post, seleene. A lot of us use eve-files, so if there is anyway to allow you to access some of our fraps you'd have even MORE material, LOL.
could this be the first video that requires a "director's cut?"
Not only that, I forsee this:
1. Official Release
2. Directors Cut
3. Directors Cut - Extended version
4. Coalition Remix, double disc version
5. The FoE War Bloopers - Never before seen fotage of MC pilots doing crazy stunts with Concord!
6. The Ultimate MC vs FoE Rumble In The Djungle 6-set Veldspar box + sound track. And poster.
Cheers,
S. Speil...erm...LOWA
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Weeman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cabadrin
Originally by: Marichek
You destroyed 13.47 billion isk worth of ships, which is 6.2x your previous record of 2.18 billion isk worth.
What would your losses be in isk using the same calculation?
If you look closely on the page with more details, you'll see that it says how much we lost isk-wise Total Losses: 219 Total ISK : 1,386M. So there you go
Plus I wanted to say, our new sigs rock!
I dont want to turn this into a who killed what thread - but i can see from the MC killboard thing report that LEGION only destroyed 5 merc ships. Well thats *******s because i alone was involved in the destruction of more than that and i was only in the war for the odd weekend here and there, my corpmates did a hell of a job carrying me as well as the others and id like to give shouts out to Madgaz, Raggy and Samba in particular who ******* owned - and they killed way more that themselves, kills are accurate on a killboard not losses, i think youd have to check our killboard for how many of MC we killed and ofc the same way around - no one likes posting losses after all :P
(btw im drunk so my usually outsatnading grammer and sentance structure is probaly somewhat lacking and for this i wholeheartedly aplogise)
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.03.12 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Weeman
Originally by: Cabadrin
Originally by: Marichek
You destroyed 13.47 billion isk worth of ships, which is 6.2x your previous record of 2.18 billion isk worth.
What would your losses be in isk using the same calculation?
If you look closely on the page with more details, you'll see that it says how much we lost isk-wise Total Losses: 219 Total ISK : 1,386M. So there you go
Plus I wanted to say, our new sigs rock!
I dont want to turn this into a who killed what thread - but i can see from the MC killboard thing report that LEGION only destroyed 5 merc ships. Well thats *******s because i alone was involved in the destruction of more than that and i was only in the war for the odd weekend here and there, my corpmates did a hell of a job carrying me as well as the others and id like to give shouts out to Madgaz, Raggy and Samba in particular who ******* owned - and they killed way more that themselves, kills are accurate on a killboard not losses, i think youd have to check our killboard for how many of MC we killed and ofc the same way around - no one likes posting losses after all :P
(btw im drunk so my usually outsatnading grammer and sentance structure is probaly somewhat lacking and for this i wholeheartedly aplogise)
If we are missing losses, then let us know about them :). We aim for 100% kill and loss accuracy.
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2005.03.12 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Krapz
Originally by: psycorabbit
great fun war loads of fights no smacktalk kudos to foe, now to find some more panties and prepare for the next targets
It was YOU who did the sigs wasn't it psyco!
Now c'mon who do you really think made the sigs...
As for the war - it was the most action... EVER. All I had to do is go near Obe and I had my hands full!
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.03.12 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 12/03/2005 03:01:18
Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 12/03/2005 02:47:23
Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 12/03/2005 02:41:14
Originally by: Weeman
Originally by: Cabadrin
Originally by: Marichek
You destroyed 13.47 billion isk worth of ships, which is 6.2x your previous record of 2.18 billion isk worth.
What would your losses be in isk using the same calculation?
If you look closely on the page with more details, you'll see that it says how much we lost isk-wise Total Losses: 219 Total ISK : 1,386M. So there you go
Plus I wanted to say, our new sigs rock!
I dont want to turn this into a who killed what thread - but i can see from the MC killboard thing report that LEGION only destroyed 5 merc ships. Well thats *******s because i alone was involved in the destruction of more than that and i was only in the war for the odd weekend here and there, my corpmates did a hell of a job carrying me as well as the others and id like to give shouts out to Madgaz, Raggy and Samba in particular who ******* owned - and they killed way more that themselves, kills are accurate on a killboard not losses, i think youd have to check our killboard for how many of MC we killed and ofc the same way around - no one likes posting losses after all :P
(btw im drunk so my usually outsatnading grammer and sentance structure is probaly somewhat lacking and for this i wholeheartedly aplogise)
Note: according to the Coalition Killboard, LEGI0N Killed 14 Coalition ships and 4 pods.. Check it here..
1. Were this Coalition or "enemy" BS? Remember your friends were also at war with XETIC..
2. The difference between the Coalition killboard and other killboards is that we want it 100% accurate and I'm sure we are about 95% accurate on both our kills and losses. People not posting their losses are disciplined.
3. If you're missing kills, simply evemail the killmails to one of the coalition CEOs and it will be added.
4. According to the FOE killboard (kills are accurate, right?), you have participated in 3 kills against the merc coalition, look it up here: Weeman's stats on FOE killboard
5. According to the Coalition Killboard, you participated in 4 (!!) kills against us, guess we're more accurate in our losses than the FOE killboard is in their kills... Weeman's kills vs merc coalition on Coalition Killboard. Please also be so kind to add your BB and Arma loss to the FOE killboard, thx. Weeman's losses to Coalition forces
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Lord ofRedemption
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Posted - 2005.03.12 02:44:00 -
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Lowa you stil playing and how about illumino ?
<-- aka The Clash who should be back again soon :D
hows you guys doing ?
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ALUN
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Posted - 2005.03.12 02:57:00 -
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When the war with MC ended, i was like "huh, wtf do i do now?"
Was such fun fighting you guys everything else in Eve pales in comparison now
On behalf of RUFF STAR, Thankyou for the great fights.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.12 07:53:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Weeman
killboard not losses, i think youd have to check our killboard for how many of MC we killed and ofc the same way around - no one likes posting losses after all :P
(btw im drunk so my usually outsatnading grammer and sentance structure is probaly somewhat lacking and for this i wholeheartedly aplogise)
Weeman,
1.) Did Waagaa's post clarify what your corp did and did not do? What the heck link did you click on that showed your corp participated in only five kils?
2.) I know for a fact that the Coalion Killboard is where your leadership goes to get an accurate picture of the war. It is much easier to get eighty-odd pilots to be 99% accurate than the thousand+ of an alliance. We do not need to refer to the FoE Killboard as I assure you it does not contain the information you need. It does not even have all of the kills FoE made against us, much less losses.
3.) Posting losses in the MC is not an option. Those pilots who fail to do so have a very unpleasent time of it on TS.  If you or anyone in your alliance has information that you feel will increase our accuracy, feel free to contact any Coaltion CEO.
4.) Alcohol is bad for you.
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
If you or anyone in your alliance has information that you feel will increase our accuracy, feel free to contact any Coaltion CEO.
Not to pick nits, but you might ask Velsharoon about the Taranis he lost in IMK-K1 on 9 March 05 at 21:11 game time. It doesn't appear to be on his stats. I'm sure there are other omissions, but that's to be expected.
Anyway, it's not really what matters. It was great fun and good times all around!
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Capt Anderson
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Posted - 2005.03.12 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: Capt Anderson on 12/03/2005 09:20:55
Edited by: Capt Anderson on 12/03/2005 09:02:16
I am not a real experienced eve player, but this war has taught me some valuble lessons(spelling not one of them) but any way, I had a f.o.o.k.i.n blast I got in on 3 kills learned about targetting neautrals on accident while in combat..... dang gate guns hurt.But to the MC props yall elite frigs are hard to catch chased 3 of yall around obe for 2 f.o.o.k.i.n hr's was fun.
Has been the most fun since I started eve, Thankyou
P.S To my LEGION corp mates I bow to your uberness, Ive learned to when to warp out
P.S.S To the FRICK guy in the BB at the hak gate in obe, sorry cant remember your name. Ya had big rocks for not logging off when ya was going down props, I should have had that mail ( Capt Anderson kicks a can accross the street  ) later all GL.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.12 09:32:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
Not to pick nits, but you might ask Velsharoon about the Taranis he lost in IMK-K1 on 9 March 05 at 21:11 game time. It doesn't appear to be on his stats. I'm sure there are other omissions, but that's to be expected.
No. It is not to be expected. If you have a kill or loss mail that we are somehow missing, please send it directly to myself or any other Coalition CEO. Thank you. :)
Originally by: Capt Anderson
P.S.S To the FRICK guy in the BB at the hak gate in obe, sorry cant remember your name. Ya had big rocks for not logging off when ya was going down props, I should have had that mail ( Capt Anderson kicks a can accross the street ) later all GL.
All MC pilots are under one golden rule: If you get owned, you get owned. Logging off is NOT an option. I cannot speak for other the Coaltion CEOs, but anyone who does it in my corp risks being podded and then booted.
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Marichek
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Posted - 2005.03.12 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Marichek on 12/03/2005 09:38:51
Originally by: Seleene
...but anyone who does it in my corp risks being podded and then booted.
Foyle yells at me when i do that to my m8's 
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 09:43:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Seleene
No. It is not to be expected. If you have a kill or loss mail that we are somehow missing, please send it directly to myself or any other Coalition CEO. Thank you. :)
I'm not in game atm, but here you go:
2005.03.09 21:11:00
Victim: Velsharoon
Corporation: Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Destroyed Type: Taranis
Solar System: IMK-K1
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Jarl Viscera (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.6
Corporation: Orion's Forge
Ship Type: Tempest
Weapon Type: Juggernaut Torpedo I
Destroyed items:
Type: Faint Warp Prohibitor I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: 125mm Railgun II (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Antimatter Charge S (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 61
Type: Magnetic Field Stabilizer II (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: 1MN MicroWarpdrive I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Prototype Cloaking Device I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Antimatter Charge S (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 61
Type: Antimatter Charge S (Cargo)
Quantity: 155
Type: Small Hull Repairer I (Cargo)
Quantity: 1
Type: Small Nosferatu I (Cargo)
Quantity: 1
It's no big deal, though. I haven't the time (or the patience) to go through all the killmails to see who reported what -- this one just sort of stood out.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.12 10:12:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Seleene on 12/03/2005 10:12:23
Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
Originally by: Seleene
No. It is not to be expected. If you have a kill or loss mail that we are somehow missing, please send it directly to myself or any other Coalition CEO. Thank you. :)
I'm not in game atm, but here you go:
It's no big deal, though. I haven't the time (or the patience) to go through all the killmails to see who reported what -- this one just sort of stood out.
Fixed.
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.03.12 13:04:00 -
[90]
but now i have to put on the kills :(
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Yolan
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Posted - 2005.03.12 13:14:00 -
[91]
 who gives a rats ass who killed what.
they came, we saw, we killed, they killed, we got drunk, they got drunk
fun was had by all. So please for the love all things holy or even unholy stop discussing numbers, cause it dont matter.
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 13:37:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Yolan
who gives a rats ass who killed what.
they came, we saw, we killed, they killed, we got drunk, they got drunk
fun was had by all. So please for the love all things holy or even unholy stop discussing numbers, cause it dont matter.
That was sort of my point originally -- even though the numbers aren't necessarily accurate, we still all had a lot of fun, and that's what matters. If I spent ten minutes comparing EVE-kills to the MC killboard, I could probably come up with lots of examples, but what would be the point in that?
So I'll drop the subject now, I guess and go right back to what I said about the stats ...
Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
Anyway, it's not really what matters. It was great fun and good times all around!
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Weeman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 14:39:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Weeman on 12/03/2005 14:40:24
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Weeman
killboard not losses, i think youd have to check our killboard for how many of MC we killed and ofc the same way around - no one likes posting losses after all :P
(btw im drunk so my usually outsatnading grammer and sentance structure is probaly somewhat lacking and for this i wholeheartedly aplogise)
Weeman,
1.) Did Waagaa's post clarify what your corp did and did not do? What the heck link did you click on that showed your corp participated in only five kils?
2.) I know for a fact that the Coalion Killboard is where your leadership goes to get an accurate picture of the war. It is much easier to get eighty-odd pilots to be 99% accurate than the thousand+ of an alliance. We do not need to refer to the FoE Killboard as I assure you it does not contain the information you need. It does not even have all of the kills FoE made against us, much less losses.
3.) Posting losses in the MC is not an option. Those pilots who fail to do so have a very unpleasent time of it on TS. If you or anyone in your alliance has information that you feel will increase our accuracy, feel free to contact any Coaltion CEO.
4.) Alcohol is bad for you.
Well when i looked it said 5, and it wasnt that page it was the thing with the losses and kills and money isk thing or something. I cant show you waht i think is missing because im away and cant get on eve atm for at least another week :( (that includes kills AND my losses, they arent on the new killboard thing but they are on eve-kills)
oh and yes, i was completely out of my sodding mind...and still am a fiar bit so you know - get a new rule book if anything. I'll look at what wagga wrote sometime this evening when i sober up, and finish apologising for all the stuff i did last night. We found eggs, and some stuff happened na dpeople werent happy, guilty.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.03.12 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
If I spent ten minutes comparing EVE-kills to the MC killboard, I could probably come up with lots of examples, but what would be the point in that?
Please do so, I challenge you to find any faults in our administration you may find. I'm sure you won't find lots of example. Let's for the sake of easiness say "lots" will be at least 10. I'm pretty sure you can't find more than 10 and if you can I'll send you 10m ISK.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.03.12 14:53:00 -
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smack makes people unhappy, we dont want that.
MC did what they were paid for, ganked a lot of ships, respect given out from both sides. was fun.
done ;)
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 15:35:00 -
[96]
Waagaa, it took me less than a minute to spot Velsharoon's missing death, and I've already been criticized for pointing it out. So, no thanks. We'll just take it as written now that your bookkeeping is perfect in every possible way, no matter what, and let it go at that.
Y'all done good. It was fun.
Let it go, mm'kay?
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.12 16:10:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Seleene on 12/03/2005 16:15:13
Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
Waagaa, it took me less than a minute to spot Velsharoon's missing death, and I've already been criticized for pointing it out. So, no thanks. We'll just take it as written now that your bookkeeping is perfect in every possible way, no matter what, and let it go at that.
Y'all done good. It was fun.
Let it go, mm'kay?
Oohwha, it took me less than five seconds to correct the error once I had the information. Please understand that my people tend to take questions about our accuracy VERY seriously. All kill & loss mails are almost always posted within an hour of their happening in game to ensure we don't have incidents just like this one in public. Perhaps our attention to detail is annoying to some, but at least no one can accuse us of hiding anything.
If you manage to find any more errors, feel free to let me know, but not on these forums. Thank you. :)
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Posted - 2005.03.12 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 12/03/2005 16:28:07
Oohwha, please can you quote where anyone from the MC was critisising you for pointing out the missing mail? All that was said was it is not expected that there are missing killmails (because we try to ensure all kill/loss mails are posted within 12 hours of them occuring if not sooner) and if there are any then to eve-mail the relevant CEO of the MC corp with the kill mail. You gave us the mail, it was posted within 5 minutes.
As has been said many times, the MC prides itself on as close to 100% accuracy and accountability in both kills and loses for both the client who does the hiring and the target who is being attacked. This is very important for the mercenary group to maintain image.
Waagaa is trying to point out how much we value this accuracy and our image with a challenge with isk on the line. He's doing this as you did in a way challenge the respectibility of the MC as to reporting kills and losses.
Quote:
If I spent ten minutes comparing EVE-kills to the MC killboard, I could probably come up with lots of examples, but what would be the point in that?
The point is, if you find more than 10 kills, you get isk and we get to discipline people who aren't posting losses. If you don't, I think we've helped prove our accuracy and accountibility across all the pilots of the MC.
EDIT: I should add, any loss reports you do find are missing even if there are less than 10, those pilots will still get a rollicking.
So you can see why this is an important thing for us and what it represents for a Mercenary group.
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.03.12 16:28:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Velsharoon on 12/03/2005 16:33:08
Oohwha chill man, i am very lax about posting losses and kills and havent posted any from that trip, its just low on my list of things to do. Will happen eventually tho :)
edit their on my other account sorry was confuzzled, vels got no kills on that expedition
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 16:55:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Oohwha Schipperman on 12/03/2005 17:11:59
I can't really reconcile this statement ...
Originally by: Seleene
Please understand that my people tend to take questions about our accuracy VERY seriously. All kill & loss mails are almost always posted within an hour of their happening in game to ensure we don't have incidents just like this one in public.
with this one:
Originally by: Velsharoon
Edited by: Velsharoon on 12/03/2005 16:33:08
Oohwha chill man, i am very lax about posting losses and kills and havent posted any from that trip, its just low on my list of things to do. Will happen eventually tho :)
... nor do I think it's my place to do so. The accuracy of MC's bookeeping is a matter best left to its leadership and its clients. I have no idea what measures, if any, MC undertakes to audit its figures, or why those procedures didn't find the missing killmail I pointed out, but I'm done with this.
Seleene asked for information that "will increase our accuracy," I provided it, and now I get told I need to "chill." In the future, I'll just skip over the numbers and hold my tongue.
Out.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.12 16:57:00 -
[101]
Mods, please lock this thread. It's more than served it's purpose. Thank you to all that partcipated.
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Sheriff Justice
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Posted - 2005.03.12 17:03:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
Edited by: Oohwha Schipperman on 12/03/2005 16:55:50
I can't really reconcile this statement ...
Originally by: Seleene
Please understand that my people tend to take questions about our accuracy VERY seriously. All kill & loss mails are almost always posted within an hour of their happening in game to ensure we don't have incidents just like this one in public.
with this one:
Originally by: Velsharoon
Edited by: Velsharoon on 12/03/2005 16:33:08
Oohwha chill man, i am very lax about posting losses and kills and havent posted any from that trip, its just low on my list of things to do. Will happen eventually tho :)
... nor do I think it's my place to do so. The accuracy of MC's bookeeping is a matter best left to its leadership and its clients. I have no idea what measures, if any, MC undertakes to audit its figures, or why those procedures didn't find the missing killmail I pointed out, but I'm done with this.
Seleene asked for information that "will increase our accuracy," I provided it, and now I get told I need to "chill." In the future, I'll just skip over the numbers and hold my tongue.
Out.
I dont wanna get into this whole "you killed this, we killed that" argument. But I will rpely to your post by saying Vels is probably the only pilot in the entire MC that takes this attitude. Good or bad is not for me to decide but I can assure everyone else takes what we do with a much more serious and professional attitude.
I hope the response from one person does not ruin your perception of what is an otherwise upstanding and sincere organization.
SJ
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Oohwha Schipperman on 12/03/2005 17:20:33
Edited by: Oohwha Schipperman on 12/03/2005 17:17:07
Look, I can't explain why Seleene's killboard stats show three losses on Feburary 24/25 but EVE-kills shows four, or why Eyeshadow's lost Taranis in D7 on February 26th isn't listed. I'm not saying you don't take things seriously, or do your best to make the numbers accurate -- but I don't think any RL "body counts" have ever been entirely reliable, and I doubt we're going to see that change in our little gaming world.
So again -- everyone did good. Everyone had fun.
Not so much now, though.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.12 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 12/03/2005 17:25:19
EDITING Post....
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Weeman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Oohwha - In game email is amazing!
Mods - LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK LOCK!
You're no fun anymore :(
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 17:31:00 -
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Look, Seleene, you put your stats up in public. That was your call. If you want to brag -- and that's what you're doing -- in a public place, it's quite unreasonable to ask that all corrections be handled in private.
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 17:41:00 -
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Anyway -- my last take is the same as my first: we all had fun. It was a great learning experience, the MC guys are great pilots, and it's not really about keeping score.
And now I'm really done.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.03.12 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 12/03/2005 17:49:15
Edited by: Trooper B99 on 12/03/2005 17:47:07
Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
Look, I can't explain why Seleene's killboard stats show three losses on Feburary 24/25 but EVE-kills shows four,
I can explain that one. The pod-kill by FowlPlayChiken was on an empty pod (yes, that lovely bug). The same pod as killed the night before by samba mk2, RedEye and Katsumoto. After DT, ALL the bugged pods were killable i belive. You can check with FowlPlayChiken as to that, as he'd already spoken with Seleene about it on the BDCI boards. Bugged pods when re-killed do not give a kill mail, thus it is not posted by Seleene as it was not a "real" kill.
Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
or why Eyeshadow's lost Taranis in D7 on February 26th isn't listed.
Eyeshadow's Taranis which was lost in D7 on February 26th
*grins* 2 for 2. Next please.
Any more queries, it's best that you please contact us ingame before posting on the forums as we can check the veracity of what you are sayinga nd put you right in a non-public forum. Please note that this is also for *your* own good.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.12 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
Look, Seleene, you put your stats up in public. That was your call. If you want to brag -- and that's what you're doing -- in a public place, it's quite unreasonable to ask that all corrections be handled in private.
Oohwah, there is a fine line between flaming and pointing things out. You just crossed it. So now I am bragging?
Fine then. The FoE Kill Board is just as public as mine.
/emote picks random day.
MC Killboards - Sunday 06 March 2005
FoE Killboards - Sunday 06 March 2005
I'm quite certian that you, Foyle or anyone else in your alliance doesn't want my people to spam these forums with the missing content on your boards. I'm quite content to do it where it belongs: elsewhere. I'm polite and professional to a fault, but don't start accusing me of chest-beating when I have been nothing but accomodating to you and yours from the first post on this thread.
Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
it's not really about keeping score.
To a merc, facts and statistics are all that matter. We had fun as well, but in order to have fun in the future, we have to ensure that our facts are correct. Question them all you wish, but unless you find us missing... oh, I dunno... seven or eight battleship losses, an evemail will do just fine I think?
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Oohwha Schipperman on 12/03/2005 17:57:04
Trooper -- Eyeshadow's losses on the FOE Campaign page Seleene chose to post. No D7 Taranis loss there. I'm glad it's listed somewhere else, but if your stats don't even agree with each other, I can't help you sort them.
Seleene -- you made this thread to advertise your coalition's prowess in battle. You're the one insisting that it's accurate. We already know it's not entirely so. That doesn't reflect badly on you as warriors; it just happens to be a fact of life in war, even merc wars.
You guys are great. Let it go.
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Foyle
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Posted - 2005.03.12 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Mods, please lock this thread. It's more than served it's purpose. Thank you to all that partcipated.
I couldn't agree more........
I guess the mods are still getting their Saturday **** on
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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Sivona
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Posted - 2005.03.12 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
Edited by: Oohwha Schipperman on 12/03/2005 17:57:04
Trooper -- Eyeshadow's losses on the FOE Campaign page Seleene chose to post. No D7 Taranis loss there. I'm glad it's listed somewhere else, but if your stats don't even agree with each other, I can't help you sort them.
The loss isn't listed on the FOE campaign as JIT arn't a part of FOE, if they were a member of FOE it would be included in FOE stats. It is listed as a seperate loss and so therefore is included in stats correctly.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.12 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 12/03/2005 18:09:48
Originally by: Sivona
Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
Trooper -- Eyeshadow's losses on the FOE Campaign page Seleene chose to post. No D7 Taranis loss there. I'm glad it's listed somewhere else, but if your stats don't even agree with each other, I can't help you sort them.
The loss isn't listed on the FOE campaign as JIT arn't a part of FOE, if they were a member of FOE it would be included in FOE stats. It is listed as a seperate loss and so therefore is included in stats correctly.
Any more questions, Oohwha? Why don't you sort your own house before highlighting faults in mine? 
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 18:17:00 -
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Ah, but Seleene -- I'm not claiming there are no faults in mine.
Still, with your correction of Velsharoon's missing killmail, I'll now concede that your statistics are in every way perfect.
Have a nice day.
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Hygelac
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Posted - 2005.03.12 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
Anyway -- my last take is the same as my first: we all had fun. It was a great learning experience, the MC guys are great pilots, and it's not really about keeping score.
And now I'm really done.
Dear Oohwha
Thanks for pointing out the inconstencies with a couple of the Shark's losses. I've exhorted our members to check their CONCORD mails and to ensure that there will be no more 'lax' posting of kills and especially losses.
Fondest of Regards,
Hygelac (Acting CEO)
kissy kissy
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.03.12 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 12/03/2005 18:38:50
Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
Ah, but Seleene -- I'm not claiming there are no faults in mine.
That may be the case, but when you are complaining about the accuarcy of a killboard when your own killboard is new and still, lets be frank, missing ALOT of losses, it's very hypocritical and a little insulting to those of us who *do* try to ensure all pilots on our killboards are as accurate as possible.
Especially as there has really only been a single loss missing from the board (Vel's) and every other one you have so far claimed as us ommiting losses has been shown to be posted in the correct place.
Anyways, glad you're admiting you were wrong Oohwha with the ones you've pointed out, but next time, use a less public medium and remember and help your fellow alliance mates post their own losses, eh? As it is all for fun as many within FOE say, they should have no problems posting their own losses. *chuckles* Might even help with your own personal killboard reading abilities.
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I'll now concede that your statistics are in every way perfect.
No, they aren't perfect, please stop the nonsense. They are however as accurate as we can possibly make them.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Caoimhe
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Posted - 2005.03.12 18:31:00 -
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I still have several kills to post, possibly some losses
they are not there as i tend to delay stuff then forget about it, when i next logged in and got a decent kill I would probably update
we are talking some indys, frigs and intys here, nothing major
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Lalante
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Posted - 2005.03.12 18:39:00 -
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Dear FoE and MC why dont you unite your killboards? ;)
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.12 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lalante
Dear FoE and MC why dont you unite your killboards? ;)
Actually, according to what I've been told, all of the 'killboard.net' boards are about to be united by a central database. I'm looking forward to that as it should prevent a lot of this type of thing.
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Oohwha Schipperman on 12/03/2005 20:36:57
Originally by: Trooper B99
No, they aren't perfect, please stop the nonsense. They are however as accurate as we can possibly make them.
Of the three items I identified, you've offered explanations for two, and conceded you were wrong on one. That's a pretty good ratio -- I'll call it "perfect," even if you won't.
ON EDIT: Oh, damn, I wish I'd stopped looking at your killboard. I suppose there's a good reason why Snake Charmer's loss in D7 on 23 Feb at the hands of three FOE pilots isn't listed, so I won't even bother asking.
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Lalante
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Posted - 2005.03.12 18:58:00 -
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hope dimensionz will do that...
next step will be adding eve-kills database ;)
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Marichek
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Posted - 2005.03.12 18:59:00 -
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Oohwa, I don't know what your problem is, but it is YOUR problem and not mercenary coalition's, so yeah, chill out and quit making us look like fools.
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Lalante
Dear FoE and MC why dont you unite your killboards? ;)
Actually, according to what I've been told, all of the 'killboard.net' boards are about to be united by a central database. I'm looking forward to that as it should prevent a lot of this type of thing.
Sounds like a good idea.
Just out of curiousity, though -- and I offer this for anyone who has a killboard to comment on -- why is the EVE-kills site not good enough? Is there some technical issue, or what?
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.12 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Marichek
Oohwa, I don't know what your problem is, but it is YOUR problem and not mercenary coalition's, so yeah, chill out and quit making us look like fools.
Hey Marichek, I keep saying the MC guys are great pilots and brilliant warriors -- I just pointed out that their bookkeeping's not perfect. I don't know why that's so, and I'm certainly not holding it against them.
And yeah, my opinions are my own. I'm not claiming to speak for anyone else.
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Marichek
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Posted - 2005.03.12 19:21:00 -
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You're talking and not listening. They claim to be 99% accurate, and even told you exactly how to rectify the error. Now its all fixed!
But yes, they are great pilots :)
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |
Jin Entres
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Posted - 2005.03.13 13:51:00 -
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This contract was very enjoyable. As said, smacktalk was minimal and we had to work for our kills. I hope to see more like this in the future!
P.S. Riz I love the sig.
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siim
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Posted - 2005.03.13 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lalante
hope dimensionz will do that...
next step will be adding eve-kills database ;)
w00t wannabe lallante
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.03.14 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
Just out of curiousity, though -- and I offer this for anyone who has a killboard to comment on -- why is the EVE-kills site not good enough? Is there some technical issue, or what?
eve-kills.net is so damn slow it aint funny. Takes 10 minutes to look anything up
as for me not posting that taranis loss, it was to JIT and they werent a member of FOE, hence not posted, as are any kills gained outside of a contract (piracy, 0.0 etc). That is my understanding of how it works. Im not afraid to post losses, my deimos loss was posted in under 5minutes
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.14 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Oohwha Schipperman on 14/03/2005 16:07:52
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Im not afraid to post losses, my deimos loss was posted in under 5minutes
Nope, didn't say you were -- fear's not something I'd assume for you, any more than it would be appropriate to assume Velsharoon (who admitted he forgot) or Snake Charmer (who missing death is still, afaik, unexplained) were afraid to post their losses.
Personally, I think your loss -- shot down in FOE territory, by a FOE-allied pilot -- ought to count. Excluding your kill from the "FOE Campaign," imho, is a little like saying an American soldier killed on Omaha Beach on D-Day doesn't count as an Operation Overlord casualty because he got shot by an Austrian soldier, rather than a German. But that's just my opinion -- you guys count 'em how you want, it's your killboard.
Just don't assume that any particular question equates to a challenge to your courage, please.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.14 16:39:00 -
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You can't let it go, can you, Oohwha?
Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
Personally, I think your loss -- shot down in FOE territory, by a FOE-allied pilot -- ought to count. Excluding your kill from the "FOE Campaign," imho, is a little like saying an American soldier killed on Omaha Beach on D-Day doesn't count as an Operation Overlord casualty because he got shot by an Austrian soldier, rather than a German.
Personally, I find it amazing that you can even have the audacity to continue posting to this thread when your own kill boards do not even reflect 30% of the losses your alliance suffered against us. Even when senior members of your own alliance tell you to stop this foolishness, you can't stop yourself.
I'm sure you are a good guy and all that, but you're making yourself look foolish. You seem to be an expert at picking out the one or two kills that in your opinion should be counted on our boards, so why not direct your vast analytical skill at your own alliance mates? Are you also making posts of this nature on the FoE boards demanding to know why only eighteen out of one-hundred-twenty-seven battleship losses are posted there?
I've asked you this before. You have yet to answer. I didn't start or turn this into a post about numbers; you did. Still, I'm all about accuracy, so I'll make you a deal:
Find me ten losses against FoE pilots that are not posted on our kill board and I will send you 100 million ISK.
Otherwise, enough with the sarcastic comments. Stop questioning our facts when you have none of your own to back your opinions up.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.03.14 16:42:00 -
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Gogo Oohwha, earn yourself 110m ISK..
2 down, 8 to go :D
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.14 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Oohwha Schipperman on 14/03/2005 17:42:12
Originally by: Seleene
You can't let it go, can you, Oohwha?
Nor, apparently, can you.
I've never staked a claim on behalf of the accuracy of any killboard -- mine or yours. In fact, my point all along has been that I don't regard them as totally reliable, and that I don't think that the presence of error is either remarkable or that it negatively reflects on the skill and courage of the pilots.
So, no thanks: I don't think I'll undertake what I obviously regard as a futile effort to perfect the body count. You're welcome to do that if you like, and more power to you. It's your killboard: you do with it as you think best. If you want to audit your deaths and kills using EVE-kills or some other source, fine; if you just want to rely on self-reporting from your pilots, fine. It's your call.
So too, is how long you want to prolong this discussion (though I imagine before long the forum mods will have their say). So far I've had nothing but praise for your pilots; and I don't expect there'll be reason for that to change. I'm not convinced that your bookkeeping is infallible, and for some reason, it annoys you that I've had the temerity to say so. That's unfortunate.
Perhaps you ought to look at this as an opportunity for you to demonstrate that your coalition is not only proud to put its work up for public display, but also to accept public scrutiny and challenge -- and to verify and (where necessary) correct your numbers with good grace.
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Foyle
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Posted - 2005.03.14 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Foyle on 14/03/2005 18:14:52
OH FFS!!! Where the hell is Escordia when you need her!
FOE IS DONE IN THIS THREAD!
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.03.14 18:21:00 -
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Yep.
Mods, care to do the honors and put this one to bed?
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.03.14 18:24:00 -
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.03.14 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Foyle
FOE IS DONE IN THIS THREAD!
My Queen has spoken. I shall post here no more.
I humbly join the calls for this thread to be locked.
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Eleese
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Posted - 2005.03.14 19:04:00 -
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Perhaps you ought to look at this as an opportunity for you to demonstrate that your coalition is not only proud to put its work up for public display, but also to accept public scrutiny and challenge -- and to verify and (where necessary) correct your numbers with good grace.
Seleene quotes:
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3.) Posting losses in the MC is not an option. Those pilots who fail to do so have a very unpleasent time of it on TS. If you or anyone in your alliance has information that you feel will increase our accuracy, feel free to contact any Coaltion CEO.
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No. It is not to be expected. If you have a kill or loss mail that we are somehow missing, please send it directly to myself or any other Coalition CEO. Thank you. :)
Seleene has clearly stated send him the killmail and he will update the kill board.... how else can he correct mistakes that he isnt already doing. What better way to audit you kill board make sure no kill mails are missed than saying if you have a killmail or deathmail which we are missing please send it to us. He then verifies the kill mail is correct with the pilot killed and posts it. Why Cross check with eve-kills whatever it is where killmails can be faked. and would create alot of work for seleene which i guess he probably doesnt need since he pretty busy already.
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