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AraniFyr
OmniStar.
The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.10.04 04:19:00 -
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Im in the market for purchasing a freighter, i have noticed the prices on them have jumped near 500m in price. I would assume this has to do something with mineral prices, does anyone think prices will go back down to the 1.25b range? Or should i just buy now and move on?
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
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Posted - 2012.10.04 05:11:00 -
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If you need a freighter, you need a freighter.
If 500m either way makes a difference, then you probably don't need a freighter. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1922
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Posted - 2012.10.04 06:14:00 -
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AraniFyr wrote:Im in the market for purchasing a freighter, i have noticed the prices on them have jumped near 500m in price. I would assume this has to do something with mineral prices, does anyone think prices will go back down to the 1.25b range? Or should i just buy now and move on?
thanks.
What BB said.
Also, get something like EvE-Meep and check how much those ships are actually worth.
The market for some of them is so small (even in Jita) that it's possible they are being manipulated.
If price does not match the minerals amounts required to build them plus some production markup then the item is manipulated and / or lagging (big ships take a while to make so their sell cost could reflect past mineral markets).
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2012.10.04 07:43:00 -
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Also consider an orca depending on your m^3 need. Bare in mind orca has 3 rigs and 2 lows too boost bays. It also has corp hanger where high value goods can be hid from gankers
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
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Posted - 2012.10.04 09:56:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:It also has corp hanger where high value goods can be hid from gankers
You can hide items from ship scanners (and thereby conceal them from gankers) in almost any ship's cargo hold by double wrapping them using either a can inside a courier package or a courier package inside another courier package.
The advantage that the Orca gives you is that the cargo will not drop if the Orca is ganked, making the Orca a less worthwhile gank target. Aside from that it's easier to use the Orca's corp hangar than it is to double wrap a shipment, although double wrapping can be used on much larger shipments. |
Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.10.04 09:56:00 -
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Ye. If 500 mil makes a difference you don't need the freighter enough.
Use red frog instead. |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
76
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Posted - 2012.10.04 14:04:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:You can hide items from ship scanners (and thereby conceal them from gankers) in almost any ship's cargo hold by double wrapping them using either a can inside a courier package or a courier package inside another courier package. This was formerly true, but no longer. Now all that double wrapping accomplishes is to scream to the ship scanners "GANK ME! I'M CARRYING SOMETHING PRICELESS"
Bad Bobby wrote:The advantage that the Orca gives you is that the cargo will not drop if the Orca is ganked, making the Orca a less worthwhile gank target. This is still true.
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Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
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Posted - 2012.10.04 19:13:00 -
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the freighter prices are not being manipulated at the moment. Due to the heavy investment cost and the speed of which they are produced, there is not enough made to keep up with the demand hence the higher price. The mining barge change created a bigger demand for them and the prices reflect that.
If you want 'normal' prices again, be prepared to wait 2-6 months. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.10.04 19:24:00 -
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Freighters are SLLOOWWW
Orca is just SLOW
Orca usually works for me, sometimes freighter is absolutely required.
either way, once you own it, it can always be sold back to the market.
Mineral prices look like their going to grow, might be a good time to buy one before that 500M turns into 800m over expected costs, Maybe. |
Idris Helion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.10.04 20:22:00 -
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+1 on getting an Orca.
An Orca is a far better ship for many hauling jobs than a freighter. For one, an Orca can actually tank (and pretty well). It's an unattractive target for gankers for this reason, and because no loot will drop from the corporate hangar (and because the corp hangar is unscannable). It can carry 400,000m3 of fitted ships in addition to a good load of cargo. The ore bay is sort of wasted space if you're not a miner, but you can always throw a bay full of ore in there if you're going to market anyhow -- ISK is ISK.
Orca's are also about half as much as a freighter right now: 1.5B for a freighter vs about 750M for an Orca.
But if you need to move stuff in bulk, there's really no alternative to a freighter. If you need one, you need one. If you have the need to haul around 1B ISK worth of bulk goods, you should be able to easily afford a freighter. If not, there's always Red Frog Freight.
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Smodab Ongalot
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.10.04 21:28:00 -
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You can fit a 100mn MWD on an Orca. You then have a ship that warps in 10 seconds from a standing stop, has a warp speed of 3 AU/s, and carries about ~150k m3.
I quit using a freighter years ago. |
AraniFyr
OmniStar.
The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.10.05 00:08:00 -
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I already have an orca and it doesnt carry enough for what i want to do, but im in no rush, if i can save 500m im going to save 500m and thats why im asking.
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Lambert Simnel
PWLS Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.10.05 01:42:00 -
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Smodab Ongalot wrote:You can fit a 100mn MWD on an Orca. You then have a ship that warps in 10 seconds from a standing stop, has a warp speed of 3 AU/s, and carries about ~150k m3.
I quit using a freighter years ago.
Then you need a corp mate to scout and web your freighter through all high-sec systems. From jump to warp is approximately 3 or 4 seconds in a freighter using this method (or however long it takes your corp mate to get into web range and lock). |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.05 03:52:00 -
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AraniFyr wrote:I already have an orca and it doesnt carry enough for what i want to do, but im in no rush, if i can save 500m im going to save 500m and thats why im asking.
Translation: I dont need a freighter but it would be nice to have.
Answer: Dont get one and stay on hold waiting if the prices jump even higher or slide back some. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
66
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Posted - 2012.10.05 05:00:00 -
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Humpty says do what you like. 
Prices will not be budging too much any time soon. |
Silk daShocka
Lawn Dart Industries
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Posted - 2012.10.05 13:25:00 -
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AraniFyr wrote:I already have an orca and it doesnt carry enough for what i want to do, but im in no rush, if i can save 500m im going to save 500m and thats why im asking.
It's very unlikely. Drone poo was keeping mineral prices down, thus freighter prices down.
The next patch doesn't seem to have any changes that will affect min prices, I could be wrong here, but at least there's no obvious ones.
There are obviously certain conditions that could affect the price of a freighter, but they are basically impossible to predict. The price could go up 200mil or down 200mil in a week with very little method to predict this. Your best bet for buying something like this is to look at today's price then decide "can i afford this". IF the answer is no do the same tomorrow, until you can afford it. |
Reticle
Sight Picture
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Posted - 2012.10.05 15:34:00 -
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buy the freighter. use it. sell it. recover your isk plus accomplish your task. |
Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:08:00 -
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AraniFyr wrote:Im in the market for purchasing a freighter, i have noticed the prices on them have jumped near 500m in price. I would assume this has to do something with mineral prices, does anyone think prices will go back down to the 1.25b range? Or should i just buy now and move on?
thanks.
Yes.
Too old, tired and ugly to care. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.10.06 11:16:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:If you need a freighter, you need a freighter.
If 500m either way makes a difference, then you probably don't need a freighter.
Quoted for truth.
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Babyface Eighteen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.07 23:07:00 -
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If a freighter will fullfill your current needs, buy one!
I dont deal with freigthers, but I deal with time invested vs return. What is your bottleneck? Time or money?
If time, buy freighter(I am just assuming this will save time, I have no ******* clue if it actually will).
If money is the bottleneck, and buying freighter will be a big part of your play money, do not buy a freigther.
Im wasting precious time here btw, back to not playing the game to make money. |
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Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
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Posted - 2012.10.08 12:26:00 -
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AraniFyr wrote:Im in the market for purchasing a freighter, i have noticed the prices on them have jumped near 500m in price. I would assume this has to do something with mineral prices, does anyone think prices will go back down to the 1.25b range? Or should i just buy now and move on?
thanks.
I would say: wait.
Many ships are still holding pricess from pre Mining Barges buff despite mineral pricess drops about 50% since patch already.
( Hurricanes are still holding 43m ISK mark to while building costs are drops to ~20m for example)
It's just market lag.
Don't take a producer fail investment costs on your back.
Frieghter shouldn't be more expensive than 900m now compared to pre patch profit margins. |
Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
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Posted - 2012.10.08 14:31:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:
I would say: wait.
Many ships are still holding pricess from pre Mining Barges buff despite mineral pricess drops about 50% since patch already.
( Hurricanes are still holding 43m ISK mark to while building costs are drops to ~20m for example)
It's just market lag.
Don't take a producer fail investment costs on your back.
Frieghter shouldn't be more expensive than 900m now compared to pre patch profit margins.
Are you frigging ********?
Freighter margins are good right now, but the cost is not even close to 900m. Providence costs ~1320m to produce and the market price is 1589m. Assuming you own all BPOs. For Charon it's 1300 vs 1615.
While it's good time to be producing freighters, most likely as someone else already said due to increased demand from miners, and the prices are likely to drop, you will save at most 100-200mil. I don't see any reasons for minerals to decline.
Also - Hurricane 20mil?? WTF? Current build cost with fairly researched BPO is 43-44mil.
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Kaanchana
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
173
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Posted - 2012.10.08 15:01:00 -
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and with the goonie suicide ganks going on, its a pretty safe assumption that freighter prices will go up soon enough. |
Kristoffon Ellecon
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.10.08 15:56:00 -
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Just don't count on double-wrapping saving you from ganking, people will see the double wrap and assume you have valuable stuff and kill you regardless so in a sense it's even worse than exposing the cargo. |
Reticle
Sight Picture
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Posted - 2012.10.08 16:35:00 -
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Kristoffon Ellecon wrote:Just don't count on double-wrapping saving you from ganking, people will see the double wrap and assume you have valuable stuff and kill you regardless so in a sense it's even worse than exposing the cargo.
Ganker tears at discovering a courier with a package worth 200mil is its own special reward. Double wrap FTW. |
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