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maciek9 Lords of Sandbox Rebel Alliance of New Eden 0	Posted - 2012.10.09 14:25:00 - [1] - Quote The problem is that people gathering intel take no risk at all ( apart from jumping into the system ). They can sit in system for days with risk factor of 0. Thats as broken as it can be imo, its like carebear v2.0. We all take risk by living in nullsec, why should there be some people excluded from that ?
maciek9 Lords of Sandbox Rebel Alliance of New Eden 0	Posted - 2012.10.09 14:32:00 - [2] - Quote Nikk Narrel wrote: maciek9 wrote: The problem is that people gathering intel take no risk at all ( apart from jumping into the system ). They can sit in system for days with risk factor of 0. Thats as broken as it can be imo, its like carebear v2.0. We all take risk by living in nullsec, why should there be some people excluded from that ? Exactly! That Local Chat involves zero effort and risk, and it gives information that should not even be possible to have. People should need to undock, and leave their POS / Outpost in order to use their sensors and see what is going on! Thats why we need some way to find cloakers, not an easy one but still, so we can move out from pos and acually find something :P
maciek9 Lords of Sandbox Rebel Alliance of New Eden 0	Posted - 2012.10.09 14:53:00 - [3] - Quote Nikk Narrel wrote: maciek9 wrote: Thats why we need some way to find cloakers, not an easy one but still, so we can move out from pos and acually find something :P Non sequitur. (Latin for It does not follow) The idea you know of cloakers being present is a contradiction in terms. While local chat supposedly reveals all pilots in system, the assumption they are cloaked is yours alone. If you want to fly in null or low sec, expect hostiles. Be prepared to deal with them in ways that go beyond avoiding or just hiding. If you can't afford to lose a ship, put it somewhere safe, and fly something you can afford to replace. Have fun, blow things up. Don't give others an "I Win" button by forfeiting before you undock. You obviously a cloaker or just trolling. You making perfect points against yourr own case. They dont have to worry about hostiles, they dont have to deal with them. They dont have to worry about losing their ship. You give them easy "I Win" button at their job by not being able to do anything to them. Must say i could not make better points against cloakers as you just did...
maciek9 Lords of Sandbox Rebel Alliance of New Eden 0	Posted - 2012.10.09 15:19:00 - [4] - Quote They also don't mine, rat, mission, PvP or anything to provide ISK or reward. Intel is activity like any other as far as i know , just like mining, rat, PvP, it has its rewards but no risks involved. Dont really know how thats right. Every activity in null should have some risk involved this have none. If you can't see them to be shot, I suggest luring them into revealing themselves with bait ships. Option two, fit a tank and work as teams. Then PvE in this mode till they show up. Explosions happen. Well cant see any logic in your point, intel is not about shooting and PvP, cloaked guy never gets lured because hes gathering intel. Dont really see why I must state obvious things like that... You give them easy "I Win" button at their job by not being able to do anything to them. Lack of effort in this case comes from bad choices, not lack of ability. Use tactics and strategy, not fear of the unknown. Wut... Must say i could not make better points against cloakers as you just did... Funny, I could say that too. Better re-think what you just written :P
maciek9 Lords of Sandbox Rebel Alliance of New Eden 0	Posted - 2012.10.09 15:48:00 - [5] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: (afk) cloakers are needed for various reasons and thats fine. suck it up and deal with it. if you cant its your problem but not of game mechanics. afk cloaking is fine. and now stop posting in this sh*tty thread, everything has been said millions of times, if you are interested, check those old countless threads. There is no need for another rant thread like this. Well as i seen all old threads were closed case of flame not because of lack of argument. And if you dont want to post in this threat why even come here at first place. And post too :P As for the discusion at hand, all im saying there should be same rules for everyone in nullsec, and now obviously one group of people is untouchable, even tho nullsec should bring some risk for everyone. And if someone could telll me what the ccp have to tell about this i would be really gratefull as i could not find anything about this.
maciek9 Lords of Sandbox Rebel Alliance of New Eden 0	Posted - 2012.10.09 16:40:00 - [6] - Quote Hmm i can understand what you are saying, but can't agree. Maybe i just dont know enough about this mechanics... But since you cross gate to acces a system you are visible in local, cant argue with that. Don't know much about WH, but since you cross thru portal and not gate, cloak should negate your apperance in WH space in Local. However no technology to counter cloak is just not logical and promotes efortless activieties in null. How is that mining, rat etc. in hi-sec is more dangerous than cloaked-intel, or some other cloak activieties in null ? About the CCP not reacting... Well we all know that for CCP to addres some flaws in eve it takes a lot of effort from players :P I think they avoiding some threads is just matter of "OMG more codding" issue. I still think there needs to be posibility to counter cloak, noone says that an easy one but just a posibility.
maciek9 Lords of Sandbox Rebel Alliance of New Eden 0	Posted - 2012.10.09 21:30:00 - [7] - Quote Hmm so one of things I thought of was to make possible to scan the cloakers with some time and effort and add another ship to game which could lets say hack the gate it's passing so that it wont log his presence in system, but be pure scout ship without any combad abilities only with cloak and ability to roam unnoticed. You could see the visuall effects on the gate still if you near tho. Because just removing Local chat log for cloakers and adding timeconsuming way to scan them its just buffing something that has no counter. That would make more sense i think than just invisibility hat without any countermeasures. What do you think about this guys ?

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