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Kalibus	Posted - 2005.03.15 10:04:00 - [1] Well Ive been out of the loop for more than a year and was thinking of giving EVE a fresh try, perhaps by starting a new character. At this point with the latest patches/expansion I was wondering if it seemed a good idea to you guys who have been steady playing, or do you think EVE is best suited for those who have been at it for a very long time.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.03.15 10:16:00 - [2] It's all a bit disjointed - feels like Dev's have lost their focus or are focusing too far into the future. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
V2GBR	Posted - 2005.03.15 10:28:00 - [3] Indeed it does feel a bit up in the air at the moment. Piracy is a dying trade if not already dead so its wars wars wars. Carebears shout louder than ever. And the biggest BALLS UP so far to date is the game killing lvl 4 missions that are situated in high sec space. :( ---------- http://guc.webinventions.co.uk <-- GUC Site. www.webinventions.co.uk <-- My eve history.
Iaukea Asarnil	Posted - 2005.03.15 10:31:00 - [4] Short answer: Mixed. The pvpers still loathe the miners, the miners still get annoyed at the pirates. The main impact has been Shiva/Exodus which turned out to be something of a damp squib. POS turned out to be a money sink that almost no-one was willing to try (although recent boosts have helped a little). Lvl4 agents were a good idea that turned out to be rather overpowered. The majority of players are still in Empire and still don't want to pvp and the planned Exodus into 0.0 (hence the name) never happened. Oh, and CCP still seem disgustingly proud of their inability to deliver what was promised. It's still a great game but there's some fairly big problems right now. _____________________________________________ The most pessimistic sod in Eve, and proud of it The end of the universe....coming SOON[tm] Beware of geeks bearing gifs
Iaukea Asarnil	Posted - 2005.03.15 10:34:00 - [5] Edited by: Iaukea Asarnil on 15/03/2005 10:34:29 _____________________________________________ The most pessimistic sod in Eve, and proud of it The end of the universe....coming SOON[tm] Beware of geeks bearing gifs
Iaukea Asarnil	Posted - 2005.03.15 10:34:00 - [6] Oh, and the pirates still whine about carebears despite the impression that 3/4 of this board recently has been pirates whining about not having enough players to shoot. _____________________________________________ The most pessimistic sod in Eve, and proud of it The end of the universe....coming SOON[tm] Beware of geeks bearing gifs
ErrorS	Posted - 2005.03.15 10:37:00 - [7] the game is great. I agree the devs lost focus though.. I think they have forgotten it's their game. It's turning into "For the people" instead of them pushing for their ultimate idea of a good game. Not totally a bad thing.. but there needs to be a balance of "What the devs want" and "what the players want" in my opinion. ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
ollobrains	Posted - 2005.03.15 11:00:00 - [8] Solutions for pirates not having enougn people to shoot at - form smaller sized pirate corps and go hunting each other in 0.0-0.2 space ? Turn on each other at least then there more be more sales to be done in 0.0 space in ammo equip and ships !
Padaxes	Posted - 2005.03.15 12:08:00 - [9] Well I myself have just come back to the game after a break. Due to limited time I`m doing agent missions, which despite having played since the start Ive never really done before. I`ve always been a PVP player so its a bit of a turn around for me. And Ive got to say I`m really enjoying it. I`d say it was a fine time to start again as there is alot more content for starting players. The problems discussed above with the bigger picture will likely be resolved by the time they start to impact you.
Aurax	Posted - 2005.03.15 12:48:00 - [10] Nothing much has changed. Shiva is basically new UI with extra ships and missions tbh. One thing you should be aware of though, the most annoying bug ingame, the damn chat window resizes everytime you dock and undock if y ou have your cargohold window placed on top of it. Bloody annoying.
SlaneeshZ	Posted - 2005.03.15 14:34:00 - [11] Here's what happened so far: Kleenex sellings skyrocketed all over the world due to increased demands because of various reasons which can be tracked by browsing through forum archives. Reasons include "wah wah wah pirates" and "wah wah wah carebears" and "wah wah wah nerf". ---- A true player does feel no need to remind himself or fellow players that it is just a game.
Bawldeux IV	Posted - 2005.03.15 17:01:00 - [12] Originally by: Aurax Nothing much has changed. Shiva is basically new UI with extra ships and missions tbh. One thing you should be aware of though, the most annoying bug ingame, the damn chat window resizes everytime you dock and undock if y ou have your cargohold window placed on top of it. Bloody annoying. I dont work for ccp but can fix that, move the cargo widget, so it is not over the chat widget, problem solved... Insanity defined - repeating the same action, with the same results, yet expecting it to change each time you repeat... ::::::::::::::::::::::::: >>...wanna cookie?<< :::::::::::::::::::::::::
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2005.03.15 17:05:00 - [13] Mongo's quicker summary ! I WANT TO MINE IN 0.0 WITHOUT ANY DANGER ! I WANT TO BE IN A ASSUALT CRUISER WITH MINER II'S ! I WANT A POS TO COST 50 ISK TO RUN AND MAKE ME BILLIONS A WEEK ! Mongo speaks !!
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2005.03.15 17:09:00 - [14] Originally by: V2GBR Indeed it does feel a bit up in the air at the moment. Piracy is a dying trade if not already dead so its wars wars wars. Carebears shout louder than ever. And the biggest BALLS UP so far to date is the game killing lvl 4 missions that are situated in high sec space. :( the whines and cries of those that can not adapt, but prefer to whine and cry that they can't gank noobs... Piracy is fine, I do it daily. So many so called pirates just want to camp a gate, gank noobs and those uber powerful indy ships that travel sooooo fast, without ANY risk of any real resistance...(and they say carebears don't take risk like the gate-campers do, HAH) Change your tactics, and you can find piracy to be real fun, or just whine about your gate camping not getting you enough noob ship gear...(seems like an easy choice)
Bawldeux IV	Posted - 2005.03.15 17:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Mongo Peck Mongo's quicker summary ! I WANT TO MINE IN 0.0 WITHOUT ANY DANGER ! I WANT TO BE IN A ASSUALT CRUISER WITH MINER II'S ! I WANT A POS TO COST 50 ISK TO RUN AND MAKE ME BILLIONS A WEEK ! Mongo forgot: I WANT TO CAMP GATES WITHOUT RISK I WANT TO CAMP STATIONS WITHOUT RISK I WANT TO KILL NOOBS IN EMPIRE SPACE WITHOUT RISK ...there are two sides to this coin, and neither is willing to admit they are at fault, not the game...adapt your tactics or play "Hello Kitty"... ::::::::::::::::::::::::: >>...wanna cookie?<< :::::::::::::::::::::::::
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.03.15 17:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Bawldeux IV Originally by: Mongo Peck Mongo's quicker summary ! I WANT TO MINE IN 0.0 WITHOUT ANY DANGER ! I WANT TO BE IN A ASSUALT CRUISER WITH MINER II'S ! I WANT A POS TO COST 50 ISK TO RUN AND MAKE ME BILLIONS A WEEK ! Mongo forgot: I WANT TO CAMP GATES WITHOUT RISK I WANT TO CAMP STATIONS WITHOUT RISK I WANT TO KILL NOOBS IN EMPIRE SPACE WITHOUT RISK ...there are two sides to this coin, and neither is willing to admit they are at fault, not the game...adapt your tactics or play "Hello Kitty"... Lol I doubt Mongo would have wardecced Force of Ebil alliance if he wanted to gate camp gates with no risk Star Fraction
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.03.15 17:18:00 - [17] Serious answer to the thread starter though. Checkout this thread: Its about Content vs Balance and its full of people constructive saying whats wrong with the game at the moment and asking the Devs to put it right. People care enough to ask these things and not simply quit. The game has massive potential but it needs a proper content team hired to exploit that potential. Star Fraction
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2005.03.15 17:23:00 - [18] I just want to mine in peace It's all about balance nothing else ... Mongo speaks !!
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.03.15 17:24:00 - [19] Originally by: Mongo Peck I just want to mine in peace It's all about balance nothing else ... lol "mining for souls" more like Star Fraction
Regalis	Posted - 2005.03.15 17:31:00 - [20] Hey, I just came back after about a year hiatus so I'm going to give you my 2 cents. Most folks I think are over analyzing things, I jumped in, joined a corp immediately(get a corp before you do anything), and am enjoying myself immensely. Money is much easier to come by than it was the first 8 months things like minerals are a lot more profitable to mine, and if you want to solo a bit, no problem, do some agent missions since even the level 1 missions pay decently and aren't risky if you fly a cruiser. I was a bit concerned at first because all the mods had changed, so none of my ships were outfitted correctly, and I think you need a group to go out and re-explore EVE for at the very least, to have some folks to talk to that actually have your best interests at heart and can walk you through the basics again (I'm still amazed at what I forgot). Now you aren't saying what kind of character you play, and I suppose that some will argue that PVP is not that good, or some such thing, but overall I think you will ejoy yourself. No worries! Get in the game, give me a tell (i'm on most evennings) and i'll be happy to help you get your feet wet. Cheers!
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.03.15 17:41:00 - [21] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 15/03/2005 17:44:52 I took quit for a bit and now just comming back. I think the changes comming in are still pretty good. They seem to be reviewing guns, ammo, EW and so on to make them more balanced with each other. Which is good in my opinion. The EW changes seemed to be making them so you don't have to rely on tacklers as much as well made EW more skillful like gunnery. Some of it is kinda wierd but it's new and im sure CCP will balance it out in time. New agent missions are pretty cool, with the deadspace missions. My fiance loves doing them because she gets to blow up buildings and ect in space (Recommended to do the npc pirate missions). New Dev Blog shows more lab and factories comming in, so I would recommend maybe a science alt. Being the trade might give you some light now, which is a major plus. Also got new crystals, mining barges and ect. Dono if you played with them yet, but they pull in mad amounts of ore even in barge II (Better than Ospreys). I think this week I had 1 petetion and 4 web based questions answered in a day. So that's a plus. Finaly, the new ship classes pretty much rock. Specialy the new Battlecruisers. Takes hardly no time to get into those ships. Good for waiting till you fly a battleship. Don't get me started on assault frigs :P The flaws of course is the over growing trade of ore thieves. Nothing you can do about it other than use secure containers in lower security space. Yet all belts are filled with them. There is also a lot more gate camping in gates now with alliance systems in. People are hoarder the check points so some spaces now leave you no passageway to explore deep 0.0. Still some bugs around, but nothing as major anymore. Sure more of the carebears could help you more on the flaws. Im doing my own thing. Unless it effects my frig, I don't notice it. Anyways, trying to give ya all my opinions if you didn't know as much. Over all, I wouldn't start a new character unless you don't have a science trade. Due to the new lab slots, that might be fun to do. Other than that, I would stick to my old character. I too like making new alts for new trades. But due to Eves SP training system based on real life training. That's really hard to do. Good luck -The Frig- Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Question2	Posted - 2005.03.15 17:41:00 - [22] Bunch of retards complaining level 4 agent is too rewarding when we can make a billion in a week doing 0.0 mining in an alliance,with zero risk. Bunch of retards complaining that amaar ships will suck after the pulse laser/ammo changes even though they can STILL only be out-damaged with 2 damage bonuses at ship level 5,so they basically get 2 damage bonuses at level 4.5 for FREE(Sorry,but game is not supposed to be soley balanced because it is possible for a 1.5 year old player to out-damage your precious apoc with T2 guns and BS 5....)While also glossing over the fact their mission running is a piece of cake since they just tank em/thermal...ON ARMOR.......its like tanking explosive/kinetic on caldari ships!Oh and they never have to worry about running out of ammo shooting some huge deadspace structure or reloading in a fight. Retards trying to justify non-per/char price by claiming rare,16 succesful mission only,with a small chance of it being a implant storyline,contribute so much to the supply of non-per implants that a +2 intel costs about 3x as much as a +@ per.Face it....most implants come from people trying to farm it from agents which is a tad bit difficult now with the current system. Idiots crying that missles will not OMGWTFPWN all in a mission simply because it is 100% hit. People trying to claim a 200 million faction frig is perfectly balanced with current offer requirements simply because it looks bad ass and is rare.Well thats fine,now pay me 100 billion for this unique item i have,that once you fit on your ship,INSTANTLY DELETES YOUR CHARACTER........btw icon looks like a sexy picture of some ****star so we got the "look badass" part down too.Jeeze,lets have some real content that can be USED here people.Or do you guys want 5 billion dollar paintings in your hangar now?Or 100 million dollar mars bars? People thinking im gonna pay 20 mill to fit a gistii A-TYPE 1MN AB on one of the following : -Inty(get webbed,missled,or shot to hell in 30 seconds in a real fight) -Frig(Die in first volley) -Loot collecting probe(Time required to make back investment on time saved : a few years) -T2 frig(Instantly get targetted by a dozen pirates who want to pop a T2 frig in their HAC or raven after they notice im flying a tad too fast to be using a non-faction mod AB) -Faction frig(looks nice on fitting screen,too bad it will never leave hangar) -Get drunk and fit it on my ferox and brag about how fast im moving on teamspeak while blaring some highly inappropriate music on max volume in the background. That about sums up the retardness of the current situation.
Kalibus	Posted - 2005.03.16 11:19:00 - [23] Edited by: Kalibus on 16/03/2005 11:20:01 Thanks for the info guys, and in particular thanks for the insight and encouragement Regalis and Famine Aligher'ri, Ill definitely look you up Regalis as Im feeling a bit overwhelmed due to permafrost of the brain, Ive forgoten soo much but theres just nothing quite like EVE. Ive never flown a BS so theres a goal I can shoot for, and I never did many agent missions either so I guess theres a lot to keep me busy.
Regalis	Posted - 2005.03.16 13:41:00 - [24] No worries. We'll have you up and going in no time. I'll be on tonight after work (6PM EST). Cheers!
Macel	Posted - 2005.03.16 14:26:00 - [25] CCP Space Mining Simulator V6.0, Exodus: A century of mining. j/k
Falbala	Posted - 2005.03.16 14:52:00 - [26] They did great on missions, mining is ok and PvE is decent too(but could be much better), market is really awesome. But the PvP looks completely broken so there are a lot of complaints. Actually if you go to a gate without insta jump you die, if you go with you will probably live, it is very static people camp gates for hours, they killed one of my alt like 6 times in the row until she could go through the blockade. Absolutely boring. People log out during fights and live, when a big fleet come people see it on map, really it is a nightmare for PvP. The good part of it was they had the rare minerals but now with agent missions level 4 we can make good isk in empire so they ask ccp to nerf this instead of finally fixing their completely broken pvp part...
StinkFinger	Posted - 2005.03.16 15:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Question2 Bunch of retards complaining level 4 agent is too rewarding when we can make a billion in a week doing 0.0 mining in an alliance,with zero risk. Bunch of retards complaining that amaar ships will suck after the pulse laser/ammo changes even though they can STILL only be out-damaged with 2 damage bonuses at ship level 5,so they basically get 2 damage bonuses at level 4.5 for FREE(Sorry,but game is not supposed to be soley balanced because it is possible for a 1.5 year old player to out-damage your precious apoc with T2 guns and BS 5....)While also glossing over the fact their mission running is a piece of cake since they just tank em/thermal...ON ARMOR.......its like tanking explosive/kinetic on caldari ships!Oh and they never have to worry about running out of ammo shooting some huge deadspace structure or reloading in a fight. Retards trying to justify non-per/char price by claiming rare,16 succesful mission only,with a small chance of it being a implant storyline,contribute so much to the supply of non-per implants that a +2 intel costs about 3x as much as a +@ per.Face it....most implants come from people trying to farm it from agents which is a tad bit difficult now with the current system. Idiots crying that missles will not OMGWTFPWN all in a mission simply because it is 100% hit. People trying to claim a 200 million faction frig is perfectly balanced with current offer requirements simply because it looks bad ass and is rare.Well thats fine,now pay me 100 billion for this unique item i have,that once you fit on your ship,INSTANTLY DELETES YOUR CHARACTER........btw icon looks like a sexy picture of some ****star so we got the "look badass" part down too.Jeeze,lets have some real content that can be USED here people.Or do you guys want 5 billion dollar paintings in your hangar now?Or 100 million dollar mars bars? People thinking im gonna pay 20 mill to fit a gistii A-TYPE 1MN AB on one of the following : -Inty(get webbed,missled,or shot to hell in 30 seconds in a real fight) -Frig(Die in first volley) -Loot collecting probe(Time required to make back investment on time saved : a few years) -T2 frig(Instantly get targetted by a dozen pirates who want to pop a T2 frig in their HAC or raven after they notice im flying a tad too fast to be using a non-faction mod AB) -Faction frig(looks nice on fitting screen,too bad it will never leave hangar) -Get drunk and fit it on my ferox and brag about how fast im moving on teamspeak while blaring some highly inappropriate music on max volume in the background. That about sums up the retardness of the current situation. ROFL --

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