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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2005.03.15 15:51:00 -
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Help, I'm stuck at work and can't access the test server right now. Anyone able to give the skinny on these new ships coming out in the next patch?
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DBD Sales
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Posted - 2005.03.15 15:53:00 -
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stealth bombers, oh my god i didnt hear anything about these 
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:05:00 -
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Nothing on the test server about them. 
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skothk
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: skothk on 15/03/2005 16:06:37
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 15/03/2005 16:13:26
new devblog
 Originally by: oveur
Lets not forget that Stealth Bombers are in.
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Damocles Ician
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:19:00 -
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wasn't there a set of new "bombs" - I recall seeing a fancy icon some time ago, but I can't seem to find any details about them at the moment. There was some placeholder data saying that the bombers would be better at firing light missiles and rockets, so I suspect a healthy bonus to damage (10% per level perhaps?)
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Der Ewige
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:30:00 -
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would be cool ifn the stealth bomber would need interceptor and covert ops on 5 
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Mr Bigglesworth
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:30:00 -
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stealth = cloak
bomber = cruise missles or bombs
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Sancho Matar
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Der Ewige
would be cool ifn the stealth bomber would need interceptor and covert ops on 5
Let me guess ? You have the two of them at 5 
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:45:00 -
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woooooot, t2 kessie 4tw!!! 
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:58:00 -
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Anyone else wonder if Oveur's getting a little over-excited again and putting in extra words to make things sound cooler ?
Are we really getting stealth bombers, or did 'stealth' just get added in there 'cos it sounded good and meant it was more 'sikrit' ?
Not that I mind. A bit of forum gossip and speculation is always fun 
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Kurron
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Posted - 2005.03.15 17:07:00 -
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They're so stealthed that you can't see them in the game. :D
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2005.03.15 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kurron
They're so stealthed that you can't see them in the game. :D
lol.
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Idara
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Posted - 2005.03.15 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
woooooot, t2 kessie 4tw!!!
Sweet mother of....WOOOOOOOT!
Idara
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Der Ewige
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Posted - 2005.03.15 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sancho Matar
Originally by: Der Ewige
would be cool ifn the stealth bomber would need interceptor and covert ops on 5
Let me guess ? You have the two of them at 5
Your wrong currently I have bove on 4, but it would stillbe kewl
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.15 17:49:00 -
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I saw it on the dev blog too. Only thing I can think of is this
A) New stealth cruise ship class. (Stealth = Cloak and Bomber = Cruiser)
B) Stealth Missiles of some sort, that are immune to defenders? (God I hope not)
Other than that, I have no clue. Someone shed some light damnit!
-The Frig-
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Malafant
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Posted - 2005.03.15 18:57:00 -
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I'd imagine something like a Tech 2 Kestrel.
- Can fit maybe 2 siege launchers (gets a grid and cpu bonus for them, like the covert ops ship and cloak).
- Can target a ship while cloaked (though all other cloaking restrictions apply).
Approach to within 10km of target, decloak and launch torps, then run away. Individually not a major threat, but in groups would be deadly.
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Namelesz
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:00:00 -
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There were 2 class of t2 ships that were to come out :
- Black Ops Frigs
- Bombers
Could it be CCP combined the two classes???
I guess we will find out "soon".
-Namelesz
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:00:00 -
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I think it was just Oveur getting overexited, bless his cotton socks.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 15/03/2005 19:01:28
Well whatever it is, each race will get one. Yet that would go aginst the whole race deal with weapons if it was just missile bonus's. But my guess is the bomber is just the name for a biger ship than frig covert ops. That way races can still have the typical racial bonus's.
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rowbin hod
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Namelesz
There were 2 class of t2 ships that were to come out :
- Black Ops Frigs
- Bombers
Could it be CCP combined the two classes???
I guess we will find out "soon".
w0rd.
The man speaks true, these 2 ships were announced a long time ago.
There were also some stats for bombs around from a long time ago. Things like "firestorm bombs". I can't remember much about them, but i got the impression that they had an area effect thing like torps used to have.
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Namelesz
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Namelesz on 15/03/2005 19:10:53
Edited by: Namelesz on 15/03/2005 19:10:16
Originally by: rowbin hod
w0rd.
The man speaks true, these 2 ships were announced a long time ago.
fer ****zle
(sry, had to do it)
(WHAT?!?!?! The forums edits : s-h-i-z-z-l-e?)
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Bedrox
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:34:00 -
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NEED MORE INFO, although speculation is fun,
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Hobbsalong
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:49:00 -
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I think they are like ticking camo'ed bombs.
Fly in cloaked.
Plant yourself at the center of the enemy fleet.
BOOM.
dead fleet. END ALL WEAPON!!
I want one.
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Branmuffin
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:58:00 -
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Me thinks that they will have bonuses to missilles, although missilles may not be thier only form of attack.
Imagine if you will a stealth Tristan with a major Rocket/light missille damage bonus.
Methinks that it'd be used mostly with 2 rocket launchers and two nuetron blasters.
So it would still fit the mold, and do good damage. (Assuming it had the base Tristan bonuses too).
Heck imagine a caldari bomber with a velocity bonus, IT may have only 1 turret slot but you'd still be hitting with rockets in rail range.
Interesting stuff.
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Magunus
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Posted - 2005.03.15 20:56:00 -
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I'll put in my prediction, just for giggles.
They'll be slow. Like industrial ship slow, if not worse. Slow into warp, slow in warp, slow sublight speeds, everything.
They'll have really bad lock times. 30 seconds to lock a battleship.
Awesome sig radius. 10% of an interceptor, like around 3 or 5. Only a frigate will be able to lock it within 30 seconds.
Paper thin shields an armor. 1 salvo from a good frigate will take it out.
Very short range. Around 15km at BEST. 1 shot per reload, also.
Big delay on damage, like 250 mps bombs. 3 to 5 defenders per bomb to kill it.
AWESOME damage potential, though. Like 3 to 5k per salvo.
Interceptors will be required if you want a defense against these things that doesn't involve warping out.
Meh. I just like imagining. Are these just going in, or will we see them on singularity first?
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Vicarrah
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Posted - 2005.03.15 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Vicarrah on 15/03/2005 21:02:42
combine hellstorms with a ship that has a cloak, and a decrease on the amount of damage done by hellstorms... or a HUUUUUUGE structure......could be it? 
Vicarrah
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.03.15 21:06:00 -
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Devs> Hey guys "Stealth bombers"
Players> Hey, that sounds interesting. What is it?
Devs> ............
Crickit noises
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Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2005.03.15 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ortu Konsinni on 15/03/2005 21:11:55
Originally by: rowbin hod
Originally by: Namelesz
There were 2 class of t2 ships that were to come out :
- Black Ops Frigs
- Bombers
Could it be CCP combined the two classes???
I guess we will find out "soon".
w0rd.
The man speaks true, these 2 ships were announced a long time ago.
Weren't Black Ops ships supposed to do what Probes now do, i.e. locate safe spots?
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Namelesz
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Posted - 2005.03.15 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni
Edited by: Ortu Konsinni on 15/03/2005 21:11:55
Originally by: rowbin hod
Originally by: Namelesz
There were 2 class of t2 ships that were to come out :
- Black Ops Frigs
- Bombers
Could it be CCP combined the two classes???
I guess we will find out "soon".
w0rd.
The man speaks true, these 2 ships were announced a long time ago.
Weren't Black Ops ships supposed to do what Probes now do, i.e. locate safe spots?
Exactly what I was thinking, I guess they might have scrapped the Black Ops then in favor of the buggy probes we have now. *sigh*
-Namelesz
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.03.15 21:21:00 -
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There are things in the EVE DB to suggest the Devs were playing around with a system for "hacking" things, such as secure cans, and POS shield passwords and whatnot. Noted on these items were references to the Black Ops ships.
Black Ops ships are most likely going to be used for hacking cans, bypassing conquerable station docking permissions, "opening" a POS for destruction and other such things.
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El Yatta
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Posted - 2005.03.15 23:06:00 -
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I don't think they'll get given cloaks, as that would basically remove the point of Covops - only people who can already fly them would, everyone else would train Stealth Bombers. Unless the bombers were so incredibly slow that you could scout much better in a covops, but a T2 frig that'd be comparable in speed to say... a BC? People'd hate it.
No, I think "stealth" means low-low sig radius, so that they can come in like an inty, hard-to-hit, but slower and less agile to warp. They'll have their own bomb-launchers, not existing launchers, and they'll be short-range, high damage.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.03.15 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta
I don't think they'll get given cloaks, as that would basically remove the point of Covops - only people who can already fly them would, everyone else would train Stealth Bombers. Unless the bombers were so incredibly slow that you could scout much better in a covops, but a T2 frig that'd be comparable in speed to say... a BC? People'd hate it.
No, I think "stealth" means low-low sig radius, so that they can come in like an inty, hard-to-hit, but slower and less agile to warp. They'll have their own bomb-launchers, not existing launchers, and they'll be short-range, high damage.
they could be given bonuses to cloaking, but that doesn't mean they could warp while cloaked. Maybe somthing like being able to lock targets while cloaked? Or use mwd? who knows?
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Posted - 2005.03.15 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Devs> Hey guys "Stealth bombers"
Players> Hey, that sounds interesting. What is it?
Devs> ............
Crickit noises
...all summed up
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Arkanis
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Posted - 2005.03.15 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Arkanis on 15/03/2005 23:21:39
I think they've shelved the Black Ops and making the Covert Ops the locator and making the bomber into an interdictor type.
Equinox II was kind enough to grab these stats before the BH cloaked.
http://tinyurl.com/4ufnj/
I don't know why it has one turret point, considering its previous incarnation as a kestrel didn't.
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2005.03.16 00:03:00 -
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if thats how it is thats lame....that thing couldn't kill a crow :( It should be something like 5 launchers with 2 or 3 missile bonus's, pretty slow, long targeting range and beefed up resists....cloaking bonus would just be stupid as well unless we got all that stuff plus cov ops cloaking bonus...
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2005.03.16 00:08:00 -
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ignore my former topic thats basically what it is in that screenshot.....it should still have 1 or 2 more missile hardpoints
Check the gravimetric sensor strength and targeting range 0.o and maybe there will be like a scrambler that works at 40km
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.03.16 00:15:00 -
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these things shouldn't be just like af's.
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xenorx
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Posted - 2005.03.16 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson
ignore my former topic thats basically what it is in that screenshot.....it should still have 1 or 2 more missile hardpoints
Check the gravimetric sensor strength and targeting range 0.o and maybe there will be like a scrambler that works at 40km
Yeah it is a bit to early to fully judge based only on a screen shot. Looks interesting though. Would have been nice to get a screen shot of the description to see what the bonuses are. I hate the turret slot on a kessie though. That is just wrong! Nice lock range though. Speed is 195 so not a speed demon that is for sure. 5 high slots with 1 turret and 3 launchers so it has a extra high slot for a cloak. Will be interesting to see.
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Idara
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Posted - 2005.03.16 00:27:00 -
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Bomber implies that it should r0x0r against larger ships, cruisers, BC's and BS's. Meaning that it'd need some special "bombers only" weapon. They shouldn't be able to even SNEEZE at interceptors and frigates.
Low sig radius, slow, not maneuverable, INSANE damage vs. cruisers and higher. WEAK suckas, a salvo or two from a frigate should erase them.
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Weston McArthur
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Posted - 2005.03.16 01:02:00 -
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I'm incredibly confused about why we're still doing tech 2 frigates, esp when we have three specialty ones arleady (scout, tackler, and omgwtfpwner). So what, exactly, is this junk heap supposed to specialize in?
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Nanus Parkite
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Posted - 2005.03.16 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Weston McArthur
So what, exactly, is this junk heap supposed to specialize in?
Replace cruise launching kessies I expect, only with a more realistic skill and financial investment.
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Exarch
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Posted - 2005.03.16 02:16:00 -
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i hope that screenshot isnt correct, that elite kessy was a hunk of junk.. 3 missile slots.. a turrent and a utility on a frig lol. not even assualt resists.
only way i can see it being useful is if it can fire while cloaked.
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falkyns
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Posted - 2005.03.16 02:32:00 -
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I thought there was talk of a ship for caldari called the manticore which was an improved kessie with 5 missle slots and a bonus that increased the range of light missles and rockets.
Perhaps stealth merely refers to the fact they were all talk and no one had seen them.
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Branmuffin
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Posted - 2005.03.16 04:15:00 -
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Manticore is the BOMBER, these are the STEALTH Bombers.
These are meant to work with cloaks.
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Nomen Nescio
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Posted - 2005.03.16 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 16/03/2005 04:43:47
Combat:
Your shiny brand-new-uber-rare-1-bpo-available-in-game-only-BIG-sells-them STEALTH BOMBER hit cruise FOF missle for bye-bye-no-insurace-ever damage
Combat:
Your FOF cruise missle fired on something and hit someone for hopefully great damage.
Adding a new class of ships TOGETHER with new EW and BEFORE missle changes is just nuts. But I guess, with another toy some uber corp will become slightly richer.
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Zel0ta
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Posted - 2005.03.16 05:35:00 -
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I have it here
stelth bombers are a deadly tool in the right persons hand this one was developed by core tec
hull: kestrel
special abillity 2000- on powergrind for siege lunchers and 700- on cpu for siege lunchers
stelth bomber bonus
10% bonus to missile damige and missile luncher rof
10% bonus to missile velocity per level
caldahari frigate bonus
5% bonus to all missile damige tipes
5% bonus to ship velocity
slots 5 hi 3 mid 3 low
5 missile hard points
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Zel0ta
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Posted - 2005.03.16 05:35:00 -
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I have it here
stelth bombers are a deadly tool in the right persons hand this one was developed by core tec
hull: kestrel
special abillity 2000- on powergrind for siege lunchers and 700- on cpu for siege lunchers
stelth bomber bonus
10% bonus to missile damige and missile luncher rof
10% bonus to missile velocity per level
caldahari frigate bonus
5% bonus to all missile damige tipes
5% bonus to ship velocity
slots 5 hi 3 mid 3 low
5 missile hard points
I havent slept for 32 HOURS NOW but im on my pills BUT 32 HOURS WOHOO im doing.....GREAT! |
Yeux Gris
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Posted - 2005.03.16 05:38:00 -
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How about....
A cruiser that can have a payload of five citidel torps and fire one at a time :)
mmmm Arbitrator citidel launcher
cheers
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2005.03.16 10:29:00 -
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I don't care if it's only got 1 high slot, 0 mids and 0 lows 
ITS CLOAKS, I WANT IT NOW
Mongo speaks !!
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.03.16 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Malafant
I'd imagine something like a Tech 2 Kestrel.
- Can fit maybe 2 siege launchers (gets a grid and cpu bonus for them, like the covert ops ship and cloak).
- Can target a ship while cloaked (though all other cloaking restrictions apply).
Approach to within 10km of target, decloak and launch torps, then run away. Individually not a major threat, but in groups would be deadly.
Kestrals used to be able to fit torps and cruise missles. Why would ccp remove the option and then bring it back again?
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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F4ze
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Posted - 2005.03.16 10:39:00 -
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A bomber to me would be a ship with:
a big damage bonus
a big missile speed bonus
a ROF penalty
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TomB
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Posted - 2005.03.16 11:02:00 -
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2005.03.16 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: TomB
TomB, I know you get irked at players sometimes, but could you post something constructive please? 
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.03.16 11:42:00 -
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Talmssar
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Posted - 2005.03.16 11:49:00 -
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Tomb's answer tells whole debate...
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Posted - 2005.03.16 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: TomB
Originally by: forum rules
20. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful, provided that it is presented in a civil, factual manner. Tell us what you don't like and why and how you feel it could be improved. Posts that are insulting and rude may be deleted, no matter how valid the ideas behind them may be.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2005.03.16 12:07:00 -
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he posted that so there would be lots of posts here IMO, i recon he hasnt made his mind up about how they will work and he wants us to post ideas and he'll consider the best.
I think a frigate with a couple of one shot torps would be cool, maybe a couple of one shot cruise.
I think it would be cool if it uncloaked like a bird of prey, and it had to be stationary when it uncloaked. maybe make the torps it fires travel at 1/2 speed so it has to get in real close... (make them dumb torps! so they only travel in a straight line!) but these torps are very slow, so it has to uncloak really close...
Ive changed my mind, make it into a small cruiser like the stabber, that would be a bit more bird of prey like. It would be very vulnerable to smartbombs tho, make it real spindly and weak.
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Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2005.03.16 12:13:00 -
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or maybe they are ships that can cloak, move the center of a fleet, leave behind a handfull of destructive non-moving med-radius bombs, warp out. then... boom ffs, frigates fitting sieges... thats like saying: mercedes special ability: can fit a nuke cannon on top of it.
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Alyth
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Posted - 2005.03.16 12:19:00 -
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Didn't someone post a link to bombers on the EVE-I database once? The Caldari one was lethal with it having six launcher hardpoints and 10% damage to bombs per level.....with bombs doing around 900 damage per hit but only having a 10 second flight time.
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Altai Saker
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Posted - 2005.03.16 12:34:00 -
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would be pretty cool if we had alot of 3-4 Missile hardpoint frigs that could fire cruises/torps again... about kestrel speed manueverabilty maybe... :D plz plz plz
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Thomas Torquemada
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Posted - 2005.03.16 12:36:00 -
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Or maybe he's just having a laugh while everyone tries to locate them ingame like frenzied pirhana's.
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Clipped Wings
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Posted - 2005.03.16 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hella May
Kestrals used to be able to fit torps and cruise missles. Why would ccp remove the option and then bring it back again?
Actually, no, they never were able to fit torps, unless you somehow managed to get a heavy launcher on to it...which, no offense, I doubt you did. They could hold the 1 cruise missile...which was quite ridicolously overpowered, truth be told.
Personally, I have no clue on what they're going to do, I just *hope* it'll bring back the bombs. The thought was cool.
:)
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2005.03.16 12:52:00 -
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I think that blonde skinny man had a point:
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Rexy
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Posted - 2005.03.16 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Thomas Torquemada
Or maybe he's just having a laugh while everyone tries to locate them ingame like frenzied pirhana's.
wel he warped in on the ffa, but cloacked to quickly . we were to busy going oooooh, aaaah, it's so pretty at the time anyway 
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.03.16 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Clipped Wings
Originally by: Hella May
Kestrals used to be able to fit torps and cruise missles. Why would ccp remove the option and then bring it back again?
Actually, no, they never were able to fit torps, unless you somehow managed to get a heavy launcher on to it...which, no offense, I doubt you did. They could hold the 1 cruise missile...which was quite ridicolously overpowered, truth be told.
Personally, I have no clue on what they're going to do, I just *hope* it'll bring back the bombs. The thought was cool.
:)
Yeah it was only really the Claw I think that could fit a heavy launcher (and it was pretty gimped as a setup with it, although fun )
I'm in agreement
Ship with no bombs != bomber
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.03.16 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 16/03/2005 13:37:43
I think TomB's "" comment was to indicate his lips are sealed on this one, Obriously getting released as some storyline event.
I wish we could test them on sisi tho,  , darn secracy its killing me
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Lagar
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Posted - 2005.03.16 14:09:00 -
[68]
Originally by: TomB
lol tomb saying that you'll get info soonÖ is even less anoying.. you are making me sad... i want info on that frig now
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Damocles Ician
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Posted - 2005.03.16 14:27:00 -
[69]
I think letting the bad guys have the new ships for a while is a great choice! "Serpentis kamikaze pilots spotted!"
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2005.03.16 14:44:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Mongo Peck on 16/03/2005 14:58:08
I want it big and bad and lots of lights and knobs
Mongo speaks !!
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Faramir
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Posted - 2005.03.16 14:54:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Jim Steele
Edited by: Jim Steele on 16/03/2005 13:37:43
I think TomB's "" comment was to indicate his lips are sealed on this one, Obriously getting released as some storyline event.
Storyline event?? HAHAHAHA
Now there's a joke. 
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Novarei
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Posted - 2005.03.16 15:18:00 -
[72]
stealth bombers definitley making me want to train for covert ops :D
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.03.16 15:23:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Faramir
Originally by: Jim Steele
Edited by: Jim Steele on 16/03/2005 13:37:43
I think TomB's "" comment was to indicate his lips are sealed on this one, Obriously getting released as some storyline event.
Storyline event?? HAHAHAHA
Now there's a joke.
I'm betting it has something to do with that amarr business in Misaba being guarded.
More likely though, it will be something like 'jovian diplomat spontaneously combusts, collect the parts and win a prize!'
Oh, they already did that... 
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.03.16 15:34:00 -
[74]
ok theres defiantly something to this.
there was a manticore on sisi lastnight. was a link to a pic but i forgot it....
any way it was a t2 kes required caldari frig v, covert ops 1 and electronic upgrades lvl.
thats about all i can remmber maybe some 1 has the pic link.
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Exarch
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Posted - 2005.03.16 15:39:00 -
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From the screenshot earlier in the thread the bombers look to be a real let down. Yes i should wait till i see them, but it doesn't look good barring some awesome special ability.. like special modules or firing while cloaked.
A plain old kestral could easily take down that elite in the screenshot.
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meowcat
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Posted - 2005.03.16 15:59:00 -
[76]
a more incredible assortment of wild speculation has never before been seen.
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Commander Stringer
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Posted - 2005.03.16 16:19:00 -
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MINES i want MINES that do summat decent rather than pop and look pretty.
/me reminds himself of a friend who planted over 200 mines outside a station in empire during a war then watched them all go off when an enemy thorax undocked
looked pretty didn't even scratch the guys armour =/
MINES NEED LOVIN'
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2005.03.16 16:42:00 -
[78]
And I forgot to mention,
I must be able to fit 6 Miner II's to it like the HAC's
Mongo speaks !!
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Streetrip
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Posted - 2005.03.16 17:57:00 -
[79]
...what is the meaning of bomb in eve? a smartbomb.
Stealth bombers = frig which cloaks and can pack L/XL smartbombs...thats it i reckon.
Hi slots - 4
Turrets - 0
Missiles - 0
Mid slots - 2
Lo slots - 2
BS Sized PG and CPU.
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SirSpectre
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Posted - 2005.03.16 18:30:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Streetrip
...what is the meaning of bomb in eve? a smartbomb.
Stealth bombers = frig which cloaks and can pack L/XL smartbombs...thats it i reckon.
Hi slots - 4
Turrets - 0
Missiles - 0
Mid slots - 2
Lo slots - 2
BS Sized PG and CPU.
Thats what i had in mind. Also I bet this one is a tech II cruiser, seriously lacking on those...Then it wouldnt have to have a bonus to sensor recalibration time because you dont have to lock anything. As for skills required im guessing
Covert Ops 4
Electronics Upgrades 5
Cruiser 5
Spaceship command 5
along with specifics for stealth bomber and most likely w/e weapon type will be used.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.16 18:35:00 -
[81]
The smartbomb concept would also be really cool idea. I hope it's something like that!
-The Frig-
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Damocles Ician
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Posted - 2005.03.16 23:18:00 -
[82]
so if it is smartbombs (which I'm not convinced as we've seen other bombs as mentioned a couple of pages ago) do you want reduced fitting on grid, bigger burst radius, bigger damage, faster cycling time? Something else?
Stealth bombers to me bring up the image of a single massive payload.. one drop then a rearm (reload) So maybe a bonus to fitting seige launchers but with a penalty to firing speed (like 300%) or something.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.03.16 23:44:00 -
[83]
Meh, the 'stealth' just refers to the fact that bombers werent supposed to be in this patch. ^^
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Pesadilla
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Posted - 2005.03.17 01:39:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Meh, the 'stealth' just refers to the fact that bombers werent supposed to be in this patch. ^^
so wrong...
it means tomb did several stealth nerfs before they even hit sisi and will continue to do so when they r on tq
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.03.17 02:02:00 -
[85]
Stealth eh? So instead of being invisible it is simply confusing to radar and the like.
So that would mean it gets a bonus to ECM Burst range and intensity?
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.03.17 08:24:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Hella May
Kestrals used to be able to fit torps and cruise missles. Why would ccp remove the option and then bring it back again?
Mine still has three Cruise missiles armed, its a museum piece as far as i'm concerned Got it in a museum in DSS at the moment.
Darwin 4tw
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.03.17 17:00:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Jim Steele on 17/03/2005 17:00:35
A corp mate has a BB with torps still fitted, a true collectors item, shame hed get banned if he ever used it.
Anyhow, the bombers youd expect to be on sisi but arnt because they are still being "balanced" (made boring and un-useable in pvp) i dont expect them to see them on TQ anytime soon, mearly that oveur was yanking everyones chain.
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Tisti
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Posted - 2005.03.17 21:07:00 -
[88]
Hmm.. why not just give it a bonus.. to fit bomber launchers/guns
Each launcher/gun could fit 1 unit of ammo in it and its base dmg would be 800+skills.
And the reload would take lets say.. 2 minutes?
Id love a hit&run ship
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Entreri Finwe
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Posted - 2005.03.17 21:59:00 -
[89]
Perhaps make them fit one or two BS sized wepons...sort of a Kestrel with one or two cruise/siege launchers or a Inquisitor with one-two tachyons...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.03.17 22:10:00 -
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Yea, beig able to throw a single cruise salvo would rock.
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Dreck Morrison
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Posted - 2005.03.17 22:21:00 -
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Tons of suggestions here - but I mostly care about the amarrian ships.
Tech 2 Inquisitor
Tech 2 Arbitrator
Both need to be released. So I am hoping that the Tech 2 Inquistor is a hvy missile/torpedo slinging machine best suited for anti-cruiser and anti-assault ships. The tech 2 arbitrator needs to be a torpedo/cruise missile slinging monster best suited for nuking tech 2 indys.
A bonus to fitting larger launchers than usual for these ships would be fine. This would mean that only heavily invested SP players get to gank peeps with missile ships instead of 3 day old kessie alts that have been roaming empire.
My thoughts....
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Boffin
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Posted - 2005.03.17 22:59:00 -
[92]
I think stealth bombers will be in effect like the old kestrels, ie frigates with the ability to launch cruise or Torps.
This ability was removed because it was too easy to grief with an alt and then rinse & repeat. Maybe CCP are hoping the high level of skills/training time required will stop the same from happening.
Not sure on the stealth part, but would be interesting if this meant that a pilot in a stealth bomber didn't show in local. Advanced fleets of bombers could enter a sytsem, soften up the targets ready for the rest of the fleet to jump in.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.03.18 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Sorja on 18/03/2005 04:23:04
Originally by: Zel0ta
special abillity 2000- on powergrind for siege lunchers and 700- on cpu for siege launchers.
Yes, that's it, and the ship has it's original attributes, which means you will fire one and a single one volley before warping out.
The cloaking device is needed since you have no defense and need to get in range (hence the very long targeting range) to launch your volley.
If the target has no support, you will land multiple volleys if and only if you have good EW skills.
If it has support, you can only launch one and pray to get away in time.
That brings in the risk/reward factor and flagship/escort concept in front of the scene.
The ship will be expensive, 15 Mio at least knowing the greed of producers (yes, I'm ranting) and requires high skills which means they won't be expandable and can't be flown by newbies.
What good can be a torpedo launching frigate in combat?
Let's see...
In fleet battles, they will be able to do what ravens can't do: land a hit before the target is dead or warps out. At very high risk. Fair.
In frigate squads, they will be able to kill a cruiser/indy or hurt a BS like frigates already kill cruisers at the moment: easily in groups.
They won't be more effective than assaults since they are slow, don't have resitances and can't fit a MWD due to grid limitations, so as soon as targeted will need to bail out.
In dog fights, they won't be a threat to any cruiser or BS since any form of anti-frig defense will wipe them out.
The problem is mainly against other frigates: come in close, launch and dead frigate if it's not an assault in which case the stealth bomber won't kill in a single volley and will die.
Against Tech I frigs, any tech II frig kills them in a matter of seconds anyways, which means it's fair game.
But intercpetor pilots are going to hate them, unless the damage/signature radius factor is finally implemented.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2005.03.18 04:40:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Clipped Wings
Originally by: Hella May
Kestrals used to be able to fit torps and cruise missles. Why would ccp remove the option and then bring it back again?
Actually, no, they never were able to fit torps, unless you somehow managed to get a heavy launcher on to it...which, no offense, I doubt you did. They could hold the 1 cruise missile...which was quite ridicolously overpowered, truth be told.
Personally, I have no clue on what they're going to do, I just *hope* it'll bring back the bombs. The thought was cool.
:)
I had just posted this in another thread so Im pasting it here also...
Would'nt it be the most simple thing to make their Payload munitions the Mines that were taken out of game?
I know the devs are looking for ways to get them back in the game.
This would work just set a 2 to 3k proximity with a 5 second activation tiomer.
No uber cruise missle of death ship for people to yell SPLOIT about.
Just a Real bomber that has to get within 2 to 3k of its targets to drop its payload using skill and proper escorts.
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Bozl1n
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Posted - 2005.03.18 19:36:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Clipped Wings
Originally by: Hella May
Kestrals used to be able to fit torps and cruise missles. Why would ccp remove the option and then bring it back again?
Actually, no, they never were able to fit torps, unless you somehow managed to get a heavy launcher on to it...which, no offense, I doubt you did. They could hold the 1 cruise missile...which was quite ridicolously overpowered, truth be told.
Personally, I have no clue on what they're going to do, I just *hope* it'll bring back the bombs. The thought was cool.
:)
I still have a merlin in my hanger with a inferno loaded h50 on it.......
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.03.18 19:46:00 -
[96]
stealth bombers = elite frigs with bonuses to signature scrambling modules and most likely be missile boats. Just my 2 cents.
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Odin Tahmorrex
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Posted - 2005.03.18 21:11:00 -
[97]
After some thought, I'm hoping they have an insane ROF bonus, and the ability to fit heavy launchers, no larger. I mean INSANE rof bonus. Fly in, unleash 1 missile/sec per launcher, and get the hell out. I don't see why they should have great resistances or heavy armor plating. Seems a lightweight ship with a large cargo bay would have very little hull/structure to keep it light and agile.
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xenorx
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Posted - 2005.03.18 21:38:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Odin Tahmorrex
After some thought, I'm hoping they have an insane ROF bonus, and the ability to fit heavy launchers, no larger. I mean INSANE rof bonus. Fly in, unleash 1 missile/sec per launcher, and get the hell out. I don't see why they should have great resistances or heavy armor plating. Seems a lightweight ship with a large cargo bay would have very little hull/structure to keep it light and agile.
I win!
Personally I am all for a special ability to fit a heavy launcher with heavy missles. It would be unbalanced to give it a RoF bonus though.
I would rather see a -50% RoF penalty and give it a damage bonus to missles like +50%. This way someone with Missle launcher lvl 5 and Heavy Missles lvl 5 with Arbalist or T2 HL fitted would have a RoF of 18 seconds and each missle would hit for 281.25 HP each. A bomber Kessie with 4 launchers would pack a 1125 hp punch. Not enough to knock out a BS or Cruiser in one pass but in a group would be painful. With a slow Rof like that they would not be smart to hang out. Get in, fire and run like hell.
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Streetrip
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Posted - 2005.03.18 23:22:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Streetrip on 18/03/2005 23:24:36
ok 2km deactivate range of stealth module right?
So my Tristan MWDs cloaked into an apoc, decloaks as 2km, BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM 5 XL Smartbombs blowin, There's the cap gone now warping out to stargate or safespot.
edit* i think this will be a minmatar winning class :D
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2005.03.18 23:28:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Hella May
Kestrals used to be able to fit torps and cruise missles. Why would ccp remove the option and then bring it back again?
The real problem with cruise toting Kessies was that they were stupidly inexpensive ships and someone could train to use them from pure newb to flying one in less than a month. They made wonderful throwaway ships to gank haulers in Yulai or just plain throwaway in any engagement.
Presumably if something like them comes back the ship itself will be much more expensive (many millions) and require a fair deal of skills to use at all. As such it may have the power of the cruise toting Kessie (or more) but you will feel the pain when it gets shot out from under you and maybe care more that you're high-skilled toon is now flying in an egg.
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Cinnander
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Posted - 2005.03.19 00:13:00 -
[101]
Would be nice if bombs were essentially deployable smartbombs with a fuse of perhaps 5 seconds.
The ships would need a light missiles + rocket range bonus so they can bombard from range with standard missiles as well, or they'd be impossible to use in empire, due to CONCORD disliking people splashing their ships + gates, etc.
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2005.03.19 04:24:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 19/03/2005 04:33:32
weren't bombs added to the game's market recently then taken away? seems like they had no stat for velocity, but did like 500 points of a specific damage type & had a delay time of like 10 seconds.
can't be sure though, it's been some time, they're no longer viewable on the market details, & i didn't pay that much attention tbh.
I can't find mines on themarket anymore either. :(
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rowbin hod
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Posted - 2005.03.19 10:57:00 -
[103]
yes there were bombs.
I think one was called a firestorm or something. Trying to see if i got any screenies of them.
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Faramir
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Posted - 2005.03.19 11:54:00 -
[104]
Personally I think we've got another support cruiser-usefulness(sp?) in the making.
but that's just me
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:06:00 -
[105]
I'm not sure about the stealth aspect, but I'd want bombers.
Tbh, I'd like more ships in the interceptor price bracket...
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
rowbin hod
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Posted - 2005.03.19 13:06:00 -
[106]
Edited by: rowbin hod on 19/03/2005 13:06:59
Anyone played Freelancer?
There are a couple of bits in it which i always think of when i hear "bombers" in Eve. First one is right at the start, you're on your first mission for LSF and you find this pirate base. You have to kill the sentry guns and ships, then along comes the cavalry.... cue a cut scene of some fast bomber ships launching a few huge torps at the structure and BOOOOM!!!
Second one is later on in the story. A couple of Rheinland renegades join you for a bit. You're trying to escape through a wormhole, but there's a rheinland battleship blocking it. So the renegades go in first (cloaked ofc ) then uncloak in front of the BS, launch some huge momma torps and the BS blows up. That sort of thing would be kinda fun in Eve
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Jocca Quinn
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Posted - 2005.03.19 16:17:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Jim Steele
Anyhow, the bombers youd expect to be on sisi but arnt because they are still being "balanced" (made boring and un-useable in pvp) i dont expect them to see them on TQ anytime soon, mearly that oveur was yanking everyones chain.
New patch to be released around April Fools day anyone ?
none of us are free
as long as one of us is chained
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Makotar
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Posted - 2005.03.19 16:17:00 -
[108]
Ok, in keeping with the definition of stealth bomber, implemented in real life. Only defense is not being seen by detection apparatus. Speed is slow to medium, say BC speed. Payload, large, deliverable in mass. So wouldn't this make sense to have it as a cruiser, much hi-slot, little low or med, like a destroyer? Med slots for the EW apps. My 2 isk.
To Err is human, to really screw it up, you need a computer! |
Jet Collins
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Posted - 2005.04.01 20:08:00 -
[109]
We going to get some stats on these before the patch?
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Nyk0n
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Posted - 2005.04.01 21:43:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Jet Collins
We going to get some stats on these before the patch?
Log into the test server, they can be seen on the market.
For those that cant be bothered, the most important stat is the reduction to cruise launcher grid use.
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Cetshwayo
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Posted - 2005.04.02 03:20:00 -
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I think Freespace 2 has the best implementation of bombers every. Slow bombs, take forever to reload, hit HARD, have decent shielding etc. You could even shoot down the bombs which was the interceptor's role as well as shooting down the actual bombers. In most missions it was better to shoot down the bombs first then the bombers as their reloads took ages. Fun stuff.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2005.04.02 04:17:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Slithereen on 02/04/2005 04:19:20
Quote:
Second one is later on in the story. A couple of Rheinland renegades join you for a bit. You're trying to escape through a wormhole, but there's a rheinland battleship blocking it. So the renegades go in first (cloaked ofc ) then uncloak in front of the BS, launch some huge momma torps and the BS blows up. That sort of thing would be kinda fun in Eve
During my days in Allegiance, it was fun being a stealth bomber so long you don't get caught. The ship is weak, slow and turns like a brick. But it could turn the tables around in a game.
Example.
One time, the enemy team launched an attack on one of my team's bases. They got the usual big cap ship (Cruiser or Destroyer) loaded with players manning turrets and players in Scouts healing the ship (like EVE's logistic cruisers. The whole thing creates a veritable tank very difficult for fighters and interceptors to stop.
Anyway, as the enemy team was preoccupied with their attack, I sneaked in on of their systems with a stealth bomber. You got to get cloee to their base before the bomber could lock and fire the torps. Uncloak, lock. Enemy team goes haywire since my team managed to blunt their attack and most of the enemy team were in pods by now trying to jump to a convenient starbase.
Still some enemy players manage to get off with interceptors. But it was too late, the torps were on their way. Their base blew. The inties got their measure of revenge blowing my bomber before I could cloak again (you can't cloak back instantly after a certain time elapsed). Feeling peeved, one of the players conveniently executed my pod as well. But a base for a bomber is one good exchange.
A typical day in the life of this now long discontinued game from Microsoft.
The cloak and torp attack is also familiar with Romulan and Klingon players of the Starfleet Command series. Charge up your Plasma or Photon torps, cloak, sneak in against one of those Federation starships, lYou would usually fly something like a Warbird or a Bird of Prey, and the target looks like the USS Enterprise.
Wait until that hole in their shields comes turning to face you.
Decloak and fire.
The plasma balls goes through those weakened shields, and you get arcs appearing all over the USS Enterprise along with a smoke trail, indicating heavy damage on the ship.
Quickly cloak again so you can recharge before the Enterprise attacks you with phasers. Then stalk the Captain Kirk-wannabe again. Do note that the old Romulan Warbird isn't going to win over a Fed cruiser in a straight fight, so you need to cloak.
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