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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2012.10.08 21:44:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:CCP Sreegs, has there been a substantial shift in the numbers of high-sec bots you're catching since the release of the mining barge buff?
Would you say, based on your response to the above, the threat of ganking was a deterrent to potential mining bot operators?
If you aren't seeing more bots in high-sec and the numbers have changed substantially since Fanfest, is it reasonable for players to ask for an update? I ask this because the new demographics for botting may explain how a less time-sensitive lower-risk form of AFK PVE is healthier for the game in high-sec than its equivalent elsewhere.
Thanks in advance for any responses you can provide. I gave a presentation about our progress at EVE Vegas on Saturday. But it was pointed out to me afterwards that I forgot to include the breaking by region that I had on my machine at work.
I don't know what the answer is though at present. I'll have a look at the data when I get home though. But no promise though. Just a random dude in Team Security. |
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:44:00 -
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captain foivos wrote:Thanks, but I wasn't at Eve Vegas. The sessions were streamed on eve-radio. I imagine they'll be released later. Just a random dude in Team Security. |
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:45:00 -
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Salpun wrote:captain foivos wrote:Thanks, but I wasn't at Eve Vegas. Most EVE Vegas presentations come out as devblogs sooner rather then later. http://lowseclifestyle.blogspot.com./ Is a good location to find otu what was sayed. I can write it into a dev blog too. But please give us some time, as I'm currently in Vegas still and Sreegs has his hands full right now. Just a random dude in Team Security. |
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:48:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:CCP Stillman wrote: I gave a presentation about our progress at EVE Vegas on Saturday. But it was pointed out to me afterwards that I forgot to include the breaking by region that I had on my machine at work.
I don't know what the answer is though at present. I'll have a look at the data when I get home though. But no promise though.
And might we guess that the data you released was "average" and that you had full freedom to discuss about those average figures? Been there, done that, been on the next tier to decide what level of average is average enough too ;) People please, continue to chase CCP for for data. But don't chase Sreegs, Stillman or the rest of their team. If you had any idea of their job you'd know that they want to talk facts. But often is not useful, and sometimes not allowed. I'm the only one with the data. I do all the backend work, data gathering and analytics. So if you want data, I'll be the one to crunch it, be it Sreegs or myself that publishes it.
Again, I'll look at the data and see if it makes sense to discuss. But not until I'm back in the office later this week and have time to discuss it with Sreegs, who's kinda busy this month. Just a random dude in Team Security. |
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CCP Eterne
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Posted - 2012.11.20 10:09:00 -
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Keep things civil folks. The guys who know the numbers know this thread exists, but things are obviously very busy around the office as we ramp up to Retribution. Additionally, Sreegs is one of the main dudes running the New Eden Open.
I can't promise you anything, but I suspect they'll have more time to get answers after Retribution launches when they can properly sit down and present the information fully. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2012.11.20 10:45:00 -
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Sgt Napalm wrote:Sadly, Stillman and Streggs were never seen again after Vegas. This is actually pretty close.
I got sick in Vegas and was out sick for 4 weeks. That caused me to completely forget about this.
I ran the numbers. And if anything, we're seeing a lower number of bots we're catching in high-sec, in favor of 0.0. But I don't think the trend is big enough for it to be more than speculation. To give you an idea, a best fit line on the data I have is like this:
High-sec: y1 = -0.0011x + 0.773 0.0: y2 = 0.0008x + 0.1651
You can sort of deduce from that how low-sec plays out. But regardless, I don't think we can really draw any conclusion from this data. Just a random dude in Team Security. |
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2012.11.22 10:51:00 -
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I'm finding this discussion very interesting indeed.
But from my perspective alone, it makes no sense to design things around the fact it could be botted. Because *everything* can be botted. That's something we can't change.
As to the lines from earlier, they're just macro trends. They give you an idea of the overall trend, but don't read too much into it beyond that.  Just a random dude in Team Security. |
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2012.11.22 10:54:00 -
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Hazen Koraka wrote:SaKoil wrote:I am bad with maths. Does the data show anything else that CCP catches even less bots now after the changes that make bots indistinguishable from bot-aspirant AFK miners? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y%3Dmx%2BcWhat screegs posted was the equation for a linear graph. High-sec: y1 = -0.0011x + 0.773 0.0: y2 = 0.0008x + 0.1651 The y is the vertical part of the graph, the x the horizontal part of the graph. The numbers above -0.0011 and 0.0008 are the gradient (i.e. the steepness) of the graph. Anything positive shows the graph is increasing gradient (i.e. the line is increasing in y as x increases). Anything negative shows a decreasing gradient. tldr; What these numbers show, is that in Hisec, the number of botters has decreased slightly, and increased in null. I'm not sure what the graphs represent exactly (I think the y part is number of bots, x is time?), but that's my take on it. Edit: Less in highsec, i.e. less being caught, as that was the context, more being caught in null. Besides that it was me and not Sreegs that posted it, I'll also point out that the constant(b) is a percentage value.  Just a random dude in Team Security. |
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