Sell now before it crashes back to the true value

Looks like something happened to the supply chain...

All the higsec macro miners were banned?

The majority of ice materials come from highsec miners (mostly macro miners as a real human isn't stupid enough to mine ice), so unless all the macros were banned there will not be a disruption in supply.

The stupid is strong in this one, but in time, he will see what has been done, and will understand...

tl;dr - bots makes the easiest targets

Also I resent your statement as I am an ice miner, a pox on you for degrading my profession!

All the higsec macro miners were banned?

All the higsec macro miners were banned?

The majority of ice materials come from highsec miners (mostly macro miners as a real human isn't stupid enough to mine ice), so unless all the macros were banned there will not be a disruption in supply.

Just as the Jihad swarm before, once this is over, and a year has passed, nobody will care to even care to remember about this. In the end, its an inconvenience, Nothing more.

Don't know whos scam it is. I bought 6 million isotopes @ 490 . I log in yesterday to see the buy order now @ 900 !!! right click > sell .
2.5 bill O_O

I think they will reach 2k, then stabilize, go for the last spike and drop to previous levels.

Aren't the drone regions ice belts oxy ice?

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My guess is 1mil buy/sell order in some desolate system in Forge which was then fulfilled.

Until today i've loathed Goons. Now i have a new found respect for their epic campaign. Kudos Goons, you've made me a pretty penny today.

Because respect is bought , your ideall material to join their ranks herman.

Hmm, ok i'll rephrase... I thought Goons were totally useless but today they have had their use and made me ISK. They can still all go and **** themselves though.

Everytime Goons go on a new campaign to do something it lasts about 3 days and they get bored.

This is why every POS operator should have at least 6 - 12 months fuel supply on hand at any time. It lets you ride out the instabilities in the market which will return to normal in a couple of weeks.

This whole thing happened because grinding is boring.

Just like Hulkageddon you'll see 90% of kills happen in the first 3 days, then it'll slowly die down and everyone will be just waiting for the call to end it. That and most people will just stop ganking once their security drops below the magic mark.

Also drone space & serpentis space inhabitants will slowly let the price go do down. I can already see alliance ice mining CTAs coming up.

Ha ha there is no magic mark. Sec status can go below -5 all the way to -10 and we can still gank botsyour bots you. We know the game mechanics. Also LOL Ice mining CTAs, please feed us more kills please.

and goons are being paid bounties per exhumer kill out of our technetium isk. One guy made enough bounty isk in an afternoon to buy a PLEX for his suicide account.

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IRC alone has 13 systems with blue ice. Just sayin

Because respect is bought , your ideall material to join their ranks herman.

All the higsec macro miners were banned?

The majority of ice materials come from highsec miners (mostly macro miners as a real human isn't stupid enough to mine ice), so unless all the macros were banned there will not be a disruption in supply.

Ice miners not leaving gallente space are just fodder.

My prediction

My prediction thus far.

Goons are full of bullshit, oxygen isotopes are just a troll, mittani is a troll and their market team is a bunch of idiots.

In fact, I don't understand why some of the market gurus in here don't rent out their services to major alliances to make those alliances bank.

L2messwithnitrogenisotopesnexttime. I LURV carebear tears.

Bought 1 Billion units... lets see what happenes :) If nothing else i have fuel for next 5 years :)

We are also the people that hellcamped for 7 straight days 23.5/7 in VFK. Never underestimate the extent of our collective autism/poopsocking.

That was nothing compared to PR-

I'm not doubting goons commitment, but they failed to foresee the extent that ice miners would adapt their tactics. There are already a growing number mining happily away, and as their trick spreads, this number will quickly grow until the ice fields are full of miners again in like 2 days max.

It was a nice idea, but just didnt work out.

I haven't gone looking in the empire belts but if goons are zapping miners, supply chains are pretty balanced ice miner destruction or breaking the cycle times will cause supply to dry up.

Not sure where low or null sec gal ice is prob fountain iirc, time to get some ice miners out to null sec.

Hmm just found a mill of oi stashed in a hanger hope it goes to 10k a unit.

Hope your having fun guys.

Wonder what influence it would have if all Isotopes would suddenly spike?

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I'm not doubting goons commitment, but they failed to foresee the extent that ice miners would adapt their tactics. There are already a growing number mining happily away, and as their trick spreads, this number will quickly grow until the ice fields are full of miners again in like 2 days max.

It was a nice idea, but just didnt work out.

People who live in glass houses...

aww look at this adorable post from the perspective of today with devastated, empty fields and miners running from gallente space, even amarr miners now being killed just for sport because genesis is just across the border

we are devoting perhaps one quarter of one of our tech moons worth of income to have bounties on miners, and the alliance is becoming addicted to the carnage

build more brutixes, md; build more brutixes.

build more brutixes, md; build more brutixes.

aww look at this adorable post from the perspective of today with devastated, empty fields and miners running from gallente space, even amarr miners now being killed just for sport because genesis is just across the border

we are devoting perhaps one quarter of one of our tech moons worth of income to have bounties on miners, and the alliance is becoming addicted to the carnage

build more brutixes, md; build more brutixes.

i forget which idiot elise is but i remember chuckling over tons of stupid **** she's said in here

That's Mr Idiot to you.

I give up. I was hoping I could get in on 30m+ units of oxytopes at 500-600 pu or so yesterday, but it never quite made it that low, and that ship has now sailed.

I actually have no idea what's going on in the ice belts.

I've addressed this already.

other isotopes in high-sec are selling at 2 or 3x the moving avg. now to!!!
are the goons hitting the other belts to?
or is every one just buying a other POS.

Ah well, it's a pretty small daily traded value market for what I do, with the huge volatility barely making it worthwhile to take a crack at.

#1 Both Oxygen and Nitrogen Isotopes are in the top 20 most heavily traded items in Jita, measured by average isk volume.

#2 Huge volatility is what makes it worthwhile to trade.

Elise

Would it be impertinent of me to wonder whether the thing that really grates about MD investing for you is that it drowns out your attempts to corrupt the flow of information for your own purposes?

I think I was 1/2 day too late, if I had started earlier I could have pulled enough of it down with throwaway sell orders and General Discussion, hisec-****** fearmongering (or I guess "false-hope-inspiring", depending on which side of the ice belt you're on). Unfortunately the rebound was already in full swing by the time I started.

Ah well, it's a pretty small daily traded value market for what I do, with the huge volatility barely making it worthwhile to take a crack at.

"Didn't want those profits anyway"?

I shamefully flubbed the gank since I mismanaged my second guy and had to be helped out by a bomber who finished him off,

Also the carnage is expanding past using throaxes, past brutixes, to gangs of typhoons smartbombing heavily tanked packs of Hulks whenever they are found in blue ice fields.

Orcas are next on the menu.

It's to late anyway. Many 0.0 pilots delivering Oxygen Isotopes to the market with sustainable amounts. The price is stable and will be going down in the next 2 days. The economy was a little bit shaken, but the only ones that really suffered were those poor reaction pos owners in low. I wouldn't say this campaign was until now a success but for those that bought oxygen isotopes.

It's to late anyway. Many 0.0 pilots delivering Oxygen Isotopes to the market with sustainable amounts. The price is stable and will be going down in the next 2 days. The economy was a little bit shaken, but the only ones that really suffered were those poor reaction pos owners in low. I wouldn't say this campaign was until now a success but for those that bought oxygen isotopes.

This appears to be a total fabrication.

Had to ask;

is there plans to reduce the other 3 'topes market volumes, and will liquid ozone be affected?

Someone with poor writing skills using a NPC-corp alt to fabricate information to try and manipulate a market in MD? Why, I never.

I am quite sure the destruction of several hundred Exhumers and complete shutdown of blue ice mining in highsec will have ZERO market effect except for speculation, yes-sirree. Those several dozen macro miners didn't supply the entire daily Jita market. Honest.

guys guys guys everyone with a pos has months of fuel stockpiled because it's the rational thing to do, 'heh'

You are a good alliance leader, but not a capitalist. A serious capitalist don't try to stockpile because such an investment gives no profit. Read this book instead of using hilarious paintings from China on Kugu.

i believe the mittani was using an advanced eve-o skill called 'sarcasm'

hence the 'heh'

(heh by itself would have been a giveaway but mittens was trying to help with the quotation marks)

Read this book instead of using hilarious paintings from China on Kugu.

Nomad has a valid point

Maybe i read it wrong but Nomads point was the possible 0.0 supply from blue ice belts in the DRF region. If Goons not have deal with the DRF the effect on the market will be swarted by DRF miners getting rich. Price won't rise and dropping soon even lower then before because of the oversupply.

i bet most of you posting here smugly believe in homo economicus and rational actors which is why your theories are all so comically off base

guys guys guys everyone with a pos has months of fuel stockpiled because it's the rational thing to do, 'heh'

Would you care to elaborate your goals on this venture?

If it was targeted firstly for profit then I would agree oxygen isotopes were the best to hit as they compose as much smaller portion of the cost of the end product - buyers can easily eat up the increased price in oxy iso's, they won't be stopping production for this.

If it was targeted for 'lols' then sadly, you have gone about this in the wrong way

Alas we have been rumbled. it is indeed for money, as you could confirm yourself by visiting our publicly available Finance Spreadsheet at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=CMng2u0B&key=0AlIIq5agK7rWdDRnaWwzMVRrYTFCTG1sZEJhTWN1Z1E&hl=en&authkey=CMng2u0B#gid=5

There is no way we can survive on just 173billion isk income a month.






173b profit, our income is way higher













Oh wait, it's 353 billion isk income per month, the 173 billion per month is whats left over after everything's paid out.
I guess we're doing it for fun then. Our fun that is, it's the only type that counts....

Actually its highly irrational. The value of several months fuel/reactants is significant as opposed to the cost of setting up a new tower.

1 month of fuel/reactants can buy several new towers. Masively increasing your return on investment. You will tend to find them holding at most 1 month of fuel on hand, any more than that is highly inefficient for someone involved in this.

You make the assumption that people are trying to maximise the return on capital (at the cost of convenience / long-term stability) and that manpower per pilot is unlimited (so they are able to put up as many towers as they want).

Also a mitten trololol.

Alas we have been rumbled. it is indeed for money, as you could confirm yourself by visiting our publicly available Finance Spreadsheet at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=CMng2u0B&key=0AlIIq5agK7rWdDRnaWwzMVRrYTFCTG1sZEJhTWN1Z1E&hl=en&authkey=CMng2u0B#gid=5

There is no way we can survive on just 173billion isk income a month.




















Oh wait, it's 353 billion isk income per month, the 173 billion per month is whats left over after everything's paid out.
I guess we're doing it for fun then. Our fun that is, it's the only type that counts....

That's 173b profit, revenue was 350b; idk if that makes a difference to your point.

I think if nullsec alliances were dedicated to making money, they would make a lot more. I'm sure there are supercap producing indy renter corporations who top 200b a month profit, but that's because it's the purpose of their organization, whereas as many spaceholding corps last precisely because they poor a lot of money right back into their members getting blown up in space.

That's 173b profit, revenue was 350b; idk if that makes a difference to your point.

whereas many spaceholding corps last precisely because they pour a lot of money right back into their members getting blown up in space.

Don't be. The most valuable resource for spaceholding is an active pvp culture.

Industrial wings that do any more than provide infrastructure for that goal usually end up being a cancer to that very culture.

Don't be. The most valuable resource for spaceholding is an active pvp culture.

Industrial wings that do any more than provide infrastructure for that goal usually end up being a cancer to that very culture.

I understand how a focus on individual isk-making can undermine morale and community (e.g. NC and Atlas) but I'm struggling to see what the negative effect would be of utilising, say, 30 members of an enormous alliance in a way that doubled or tripled the income received directly from holding space.

Actually its highly irrational. The value of several months fuel/reactants is significant as opposed to the cost of setting up a new tower.

1 month of fuel/reactants can buy several new towers. Masively increasing your return on investment. You will tend to find them holding at most 1 month of fuel on hand, any more than that is highly inefficient for someone involved in this.

Except that most of us with POS towers in hi-sec are now used to the antics of the annual or semi-annual Hulkageddons that disrupt ice gathering & supply for 2-3 weeks at a time (4 weeks?). So in order to keep the towers running during things like this campaign or the Hulkageddons or the original jihadswarm, it is rational to keep a stockpile of fuel so that you can ride out bumps in the market. While a 12-month supply is probably excessive, 30-90 days of fuel stocks is not.

There's no ROI if the POS towers go offline because you can't reliably get fuel.

(The concept here is similar to keeping a well-stocked pantry that lets you keep eating even if you can't get to the grocer for a week or two.)

I was refering to reaction towers. You're going to have atleast 2 weeks stockpile with those even. The thing to remember is research POS have a hard cap on how many you need ( how many slots you can manage ) and you only have to go to the tower to refuel/pick up BPC. With reaction towers its much different - There is no point holding loads of fuel and less reactants - you're going to need to go to jita anyway, plus you can utilise the value of the stockpile into more towers.

That's a fair point, and I believe that's the direction Goons are going with their "finance" or "market" team. The historically corrosive effect is why modern top-end alliances are hesitant to go down that road, though you're right in that there is obviously some optimum balance that can be met.

goonswarm has a very good finance team because before we had one we forgot to pay the space rent and lost all our space as a result

good finances enable effective alliance pvp support and financial knowledge enables focused economic terrorism

173bil

I had no idea that major alliances had such low incomes (well, actually I had an inkling when I read the chatlogs surrounding the fall of Atlas and their squabbling over a few hundred bil). Presumably this is a peace-time figure and goes down considerably with major combat operations?

You are a good alliance leader, but not a capitalist. A serious capitalist don't try to stockpile because such an investment gives no profit. Read this book instead of using hilarious paintings from China on Kugu.

i've read das kapital and watched the david harvey lectures, i know a thing or two about stuff, also money

since i retired at 31

i was mocking the md idiots who have been howling that this won't make any impact due to stockpilesstockpilesstockpiles.

173bil

I had no idea that major alliances had such low incomes

i've read das kapital and watched the david harvey lectures, i know a thing or two about stuff, also money

ITT people think that the goal of the game is to make isk.

Edit: My earlier question stands, too. I'm curious what you guys would do if you woke up and found a golden egg that spits out 300B/month.

Also: "spitting egg" has some interesting hits on google.

i was mocking the md idiots who have been howling that this won't make any impact due to stockpilesstockpilesstockpiles.

[quote=Nomad I][quote=The Mittani]

i've read das kapital and watched the david harvey lectures, i know a thing or two about stuff, also money

since i retired at 31

Given access to your resources, they should be making alot more that 173bn per month.

We didn't want that all that isk anyway?

I'd hire a vast swarm of ADD-addled, barely literate man children to camp every blue ice belt in high sec. Maybe I'd buy a region or three for people I liked or at least recognized. Maybe I'd fly some fun ships in PvP and get some friends to come with me by reimbursing their losses. Also I'd probably spend the ISK to increase my financial clout to the point where the CSM was lined with good friends so that I could direct the course of the entire game. Just some thoughts.

Finding a profitable use for "ADD-addled, barely literate man children" has got to count for something too.

I don't get all the drama over the Goons' finances. To be honest, they sound like one of the most economically aware alliances out there. Sure, they could wring more out of their space at the alliance level, but that sort of thinking reminds me of the slack-jawed yuppies in those finance tv commercials who worry that their money could be "doing more". Their alliance could also be "doing less", say, if it broke up or got chased out of nullsec.

Edit: Finding a profitable use for "ADD-addled, barely literate man children" has got to count for something too.

I can't beat that.

i'm bored as hell at 33 so it ain't all wine and roses

that is actually the only talent you need in eve

i'm bored as hell at 33 so it ain't all wine and roses

Write a book.

Please do not encourage him.

Dude, you're dissuading an opinionated, intelligent, independent wordsmith from tackling issues in the modern intellectual landscape? That's the contemporary version of stabbing the caveman who's showing everyone how to start fire.

Dude, you're dissuading an opinionated, intelligent, independent wordsmith from tackling issues in the modern intellectual landscape? That's the contemporary version of stabbing the caveman who's showing everyone how to start fire.

What was the last item to get propped up?

I forget... some kind of nulsec moon material?

FYP!

Any MMORPG suffers the same fate. EVE is no different.

No one in EVE wants to grind level 4 missions for ISK or standings, grind (whatever) to raise an index in 0.0, or grind anything else. Just like no one wants to grind the same boss in WoW hoping for that one unique item to drop.

As much as I hate to say it, EVE has become WoW in space!

Technetium.

That's kinda permanently propped up. When the Drone Russians took a load of Tech moons earlier this year and started selling it fast there was something of a panic among the usual Tech Cartel suspects. PL recently claimed to have a new cartel sewn up on Kugu but that's probably just hot air.

In any event at this point so much Tech is owned by speculators that even if all the moon mines grind to a halt through lack of oxytopes the price may be more determined by what the speculators want to offload for than by actual production. It wouldn't surprise me if there were fifty years worth of technetium in stockpiles around New Eden.

As above, its one of the things that makes Eve so unique.

Looking like the price is dipping on oxygen as Goonies shift to Caldari space instead for richer pickings now they've scared people out of the Gallente high sec.

we do not sow mine ice

i'm pro hisec ice now, i love hisec ice, i love killing hiseccers

He'll just write some version of a memoir or autobiography. Or something that has enough opinions and anecdotes that it might as well be. Just trust me on this.

Wondering if the goons will stop the ganking in the ice fields in gallente space or not.

can we say lol nitrogen yet

Wondering if the goons will stop the ganking in the ice fields in gallente space or not.

More like: The price impact will not be as big as expected because of stockpiles, caldari towers, and short attention spans.

We will stop ganking in highsec gallente ice fields when CCP removes all ice from highsec.

Removal of macros would be nice so that the people that spend the time ice mining could earn more.

People shouldn't be spending time ice mining. It's a horrible way to make money and it's a really boring mechanic.

People shouldn't be spending time ice mining. It's a horrible way to make money and it's a really boring mechanic.

And just who are you to tell people how to play eve. I am all for economic warfare, but telling people how to play eve..... Plain wrong

we're goons

And just who are you to tell people how to play eve. I am all for economic warfare, but telling people how to play eve..... Plain wrong

It looks like stocks are slowing drying up, these goonies seem to be price fixing :(

The Scottish Fold also has a hand in a few billions worth of Nitrogen Isotopes going poof from the market.

So what price do we think nitrogen isotopes should sell for these days?