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Sabahl
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Posted - 2003.07.03 19:14:00 -
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Research slots are being cancelled and their bluepritns are being ejected. Lots of reports coming in of people losing days worth of research and their research slots due to this bug. It's likely to continue unless fixed immediately. God knows how many mienrals peopel who were manufacturing battleships would have lost as a resault as well.
This seems to be galaxy wide and effecting a large portion fo the player base, especially top end corps with havy research in production. A roll back will be the only way to fix the problem unless you are prepared to compensate every affected corp for the time lost in research.
Sabahl
CEO TerraDyne Syndicate
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Derran
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Posted - 2003.07.03 19:20:00 -
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The same seems to be happening for all kinds of slots. What seems to be happening is that once the slots are used, payment becomes due on them again. My corp rented several slots and I am repeatedly seeing the bill come up to extend the lease after it was already paid.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.07.03 19:21:00 -
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They won't I bet.
Lesson: Stop all research or anything else like that on patch day. :)
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Kiran Kidashuen
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Posted - 2003.07.03 19:23:00 -
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Hmmmm are you guys using all your slots? Or are some of the few that hoarded the majority??
If you ARE hoarding alot of slots then well I have no pity for you,
However if you only own a few and have been put into such a situation simply blame all the hogs that hoarded all the slots and thus put this action into effect. |
Ender Wiggen
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Posted - 2003.07.03 19:26:00 -
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I had 2 factory slots and 2 research slots, Ive had them since the 1st week of release. Im lost them all to the same bug, and demand it is fixed either via rollback or makking additional slots available for those that lost them. This is a very poor showing on ccp if it is not corrected asap.
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Gold Brick
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Posted - 2003.07.03 19:26:00 -
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I was able to grab about 50 factory slots and 30 research slots today.
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Derran
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Posted - 2003.07.03 19:46:00 -
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Kiran, we rented 16 slots and used them all to build some ammo since we were low on it and after the ammo was finished building, the bill became due again after it was paid when they were first rented. Depending on the rental cost, it would probably be cheaper to just buy it from NPC market.
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Krait
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Posted - 2003.07.03 19:50:00 -
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We lost long held factory slots and our labs. The labs had processes undeway.
The blueprints were ejected, all the labs taken by others.
We found some more factories, but no labs to replace them.
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.03 19:51:00 -
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"I was able to grab about 50 factory slots and 30 research slots today."
ehehehe!
Enjoy looking at the "payable bills" section of your wallet, boyo!
ehehehe! You'll be in debt 'til yer clone evolves into a non-corporeal entity.
That'll teach ya to be an annoyin' little snot.
ehehehe!
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Sabahl
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Posted - 2003.07.03 19:53:00 -
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This is all pretty much why we need a rollback. Corps are gettign screwed left, right and center. Long term plans are being wrecked, short term manufacturing is beign devastated. And the bug is hitting large and small corps indiscriminantly with serious and potentially long lasting effect.
Sabahl
CEO TerraDyne Syndicate
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DR Dilbert
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Posted - 2003.07.03 19:57:00 -
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I have rented a bunch of research slots today... Any of you who lost them can e-mail me in game and I will sell them back to you.....
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Gold Brick
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Posted - 2003.07.03 19:57:00 -
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Scrapyard -- might break you, but to me it's just a drop in a very large bucket.
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Nafres Maelstrom
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Posted - 2003.07.03 20:06:00 -
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lol,i lost slots,and to get more i had to move,but no office can be rented here
i crown ccp king of the bungled patch
CEO/Manufacturing and Research
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Psylocke
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Posted - 2003.07.03 20:09:00 -
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I just happened to notice our 2 factory and one research slot had been freed. I got there in time to get them back though. If not, our corp wuld have been screwed.
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starmist
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Posted - 2003.07.03 20:10:00 -
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I am affected as well. Every time I log on I have new bills for my 3 factory slots and 2 research slots. In addition I am not able to load any BP into a slot so my production has ceased. Needless to say I am no longer paying these bills until this thing is resolved.
So far I haven't lost any of these slots at my home base since they have been heavily used. I have lost 4 slots in neighboring regions that I thought I would use someday but haven't used up to now. But I was able to pick up an additional factory and research slot at my home base.
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Hazara Khan
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Posted - 2003.07.03 20:13:00 -
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I'm sat at work skiving, and praying that our priceless (to us) facilities haven't been lost. Not holding my breath, though.
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2003.07.03 20:17:00 -
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sounds like some of you have a legitimate bug. But the people who are complaining that you lost slots that you hadnt used yet, well that was a PLANNED part of the patch. Its been announced for some time that with this patch, any factory or research slots that had been rented and then not used would be freed up. It was supposed to take the slots away from the griefing sphincters who locked up all slots in the first week of release.
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Arcanus
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Posted - 2003.07.03 20:21:00 -
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"It was supposed to take the slots away from the griefing sphincters who locked up all slots in the first week of release."
Indeed it was, and a laudible goal that is .. unfortunately, it also royally screwed the legitimate corporations. I had a Scythe BP 3 days into a copy run .. it spontaneously unrented, along with my other 4 factory slots (all of which have been used in the past 24 hours)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.03 20:30:00 -
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Okay someone explain to me why I've been billed 5 times now for 2 factory slots, 1 of which unrented.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:00:00 -
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I also lost 3 lab slots which I payed 3 times for. and 5 factory slots which i also payed 3 times for.
Over 600k in rents and I have nothing to show for it. Someone came through and rented all the labs. I had searched for 3 days to find them a monh ago only to loose them to this bug.
Luckly the BPs being reserched were in the factory hanger and not lost. But all the ships being built in the other hangers, well all the minerals that were being used seem to have dissaperred.
Yes I did file a bug report.
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starmist
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:02:00 -
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I relogged and the slots I did not pay the bill for the last time I was on (1 hour ago) all went public! Fortunately I got them back before anyone else got them. I paid all the bills (again) but I won't be back in the game until I hear this bug is fixed. I don't like loosing money.
This is a game killing bug. If the dedicated producers quit because their slots have been taken away by this bug or don't play for a while the market is dead.
A freelance Ni-Kunni merchant in the service of the empire. |
ShadowStrike
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:17:00 -
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This is why I never play on patch day. Wonderful job CCP =)
Even the carebears are complainaing.
Also... for all those interested in the salvation of eve please go read my articles over on the patch review forum. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=15764&page=1
This will give you something to do today... Since it looks like playing today is pretty much out of the question.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:18:00 -
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Check the date on the bills :)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Braxtun
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:22:00 -
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agreed - A roll back is demanded!
There is no continuation from here. The game is over unless a roll back is implemented.
Our whole corp is on the chopping block. You MUST accuratly evaluate if a factory is in use, and you must use the corrected billing from this point on, NOT RETROACTIVE!
Or if you must do these things, give us a warning.
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Crownan
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:25:00 -
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I vote for the roll back as well. Our corporation is dead in the water now. Every one of our offices was being used daily by a corp member and now they can't do anything.
It may be just a small thing to many of you, but it isn't to us. We invested a great deal of time and energy to this project. To have it all summarily taken away by CCP even though we honestly played by the rules is just unacceptable.
We didn't have any delusions of grandeur. We didn't overextend ourselves. We were just trying to have fun building and selling. Now that is impossible.
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Gold Brick
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:27:00 -
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Can I have everyone's stuff? Well, except for that annoying nerf bat thingy....
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Relic
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:27:00 -
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The system is processing all bills due over the last 3 or 4 weeks. This seems to be a process that scans all accounts for each billing peirod at a time.
Another process then sees if any bills have not been paid and then frees up the unpaid slot.
This cycle is happening every 30mins and not 3 days. The result being that anyone who has not been connected since the patch has lost all their slots.
Relic
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Rising Sin
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:40:00 -
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Here's cheering for rollback right to the point before the patch was implemented. Not just for my corp, which by the way is small, plays by the rules, and had a total of 7 factory slots and 3 research slots rented, but for all the people that are gonna stop playing if they don't rollback. I like this game, and even if I somehow manage to make it through this patch, I don't want to play an MMOG where the only thing massive is the empty universe I'm in.
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Celticjim
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:43:00 -
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Yup...Old Farts Corp got hit too. Minimal slots - and a bp in mid research got booted.
I have never called for one in my years of online gaming, but it might be required :(
CJ
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ShadowStrike
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:43:00 -
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This is from the IRC chat today: Brought to you by http://www.evegate.net/
<Pann> Hellmar: Ok I think I understand the problem. 1st - if you have rented a lot of slot you are gona feel a sting, as we are actually doing the billing. The bills are send out on an hourly basis, so if you have all the slots rented in a station you'll get one bill per hour until you have gotten a bill for each of them.
<Pann> Hellmar: This is the first issue - players hoarding slots haven't recieved billing but are getting it now, then there is the "no automatic reneval if you don't use" that is a whole other issue and shouldn't be confused with the billing. There is the "no automatic renewal if you don't use" that is a whole other issue and shouldn't be confused with the billing.
<Pann> Now. For the last time. There is not going to be a rollback. They are investigating the slot leasing problem and will get it correctly as quickly and painlessly as possible. The next person who falsely says there is going to be a rollback - which I consider to be trolling - will be banned from this channel. Understood?
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Rising Sin
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:47:00 -
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No rollback eh? I'll just have to spend all day looking for some insurance bug that gives me billions, buy the market, and sell it for 1isk to mOo and then ask CCP again: "Rollback please?"
I like how they ignore their consumers - last time almost no one wanted rollback (though admittedly, it was required since that insurance scam could've killed the game). This time, every other person I talk to ingame is cheering for rollback and CCP has their hands over their ears. Way to go, CCP.
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Spoon
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:47:00 -
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Take a Look at the Dates Fools. For those who havent noticed your being "Back" billed from the time you first rented the slot if you've always had them... -_- |
Rogue Noir
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:55:00 -
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Well im pretty sure if they rollback far more than you few whiners will leave the game, so go ahead, leave
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Rising Sin
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Posted - 2003.07.03 21:57:00 -
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I'm pretty sure all of the people who are cheering for the patch are reading the forums at work and have yet to play. Stop posting and wait for the fun surprise you find when you get home ;-)
Edited by: Rising Sin on 03/07/2003 21:57:25
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HastaLaPasta
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Posted - 2003.07.03 22:35:00 -
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I am happy with this finally got a lab and a factory slot i don't need more then 1 of each so i am satisfied.
Edited by: HastaLaPasta on 03/07/2003 22:35:38
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GoHa
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Posted - 2003.07.03 22:54:00 -
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Please ROLLBACK and FIX.
Please post detailed information about upcoming changes. Make this information available for everyone. SHOUT IT SEVERAL TIMES! Give us grace period, etc....
/agreed with orignial post.
/vote for ROLLABCK and FIX.
Edited by: GoHa on 03/07/2003 22:54:41
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Xron
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Posted - 2003.07.03 23:17:00 -
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Yup roll it back...for those saying look at the dates...how is that going to help if you have lost your slots (factory/research) I think everyone by now understands he/she is paying back pay and still got screwed...
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MoonDragn
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Posted - 2003.07.03 23:25:00 -
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The patch not only checked to see if you used the slots within the LAST rental period, but within EVERY rental period since you rented the slot. If you did not use the slots any time during those periods, It got unrented.
So those of you that were hogging the slots thinking to just put in one item before the patch still lost them.
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nails
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Posted - 2003.07.03 23:27:00 -
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It looks like they are going to rollback the rent logs, not the entire game. Either way this is a univesal problem, and nobody should use Factory or Research slots till CCP fixes the problem to avoid more accidents.
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Xron
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Posted - 2003.07.03 23:27:00 -
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and you still lost slots even if you were using them on a periodic basis...
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Beseb
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Posted - 2003.07.03 23:30:00 -
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I was fortunate enough to be informed via a phone call that our corp had lost all it's labs and factories in our "home sector". Unbelievingly, I logged on immediately to confirm and sure enough, no more slots of any kind.
Fortunatly, the vultures hadn't yet griefed the station and we restored the leases on our slots and are back in business.
I then discovered numerous, very old bills. Apparently never paid and since the date was so old, it was impossible to qualify for the "must use in 3 days or lose it" clause.
I've paid the bills about 3 hours ago and things seem to be operating normally now.
As for the poor souls who lost their "home bases". That truly sucks, but the truth is, you can recover and relocate if needed. There is LOTS of slots available out there now.
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Celticjim
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Posted - 2003.07.03 23:33:00 -
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Yeah...I was going to reply to Moondragon. Just checked with our CEO...all slots have been used at least once in the last 36 hours. In two instances, in the midst of research, the slot became vacant again and the research terminated. I was wrong about the BP before, they did not get lost, but we did lose two days of research on a cruiser.
We didnt have a heck of a lot of them, nor were we hogging them at all.
I am glad to see the one portion of the game may be set back. I hate rollbacks, but for the ones that were using them at the time of the bump certainly don't deserve the action of being bumped.
CJ
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FoxDown
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Posted - 2003.07.03 23:35:00 -
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Hear hear. Please do something about this. Not only did our corp lose all factory and research slots, many of them were in use at the time of loss.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.07.03 23:44:00 -
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got my vote too. then.. i didnt want them to put this excuse for a patch on the live server in the first place.
they probably wont roll it back though...
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nails
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Posted - 2003.07.03 23:47:00 -
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"Leases universally cancelled on inactive production and research slots."
Before ya freak out read the latest game news. CCP is holding all the slots till this is worked out.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.07.04 00:31:00 -
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I purchased some factory slots for 1 million each a few weeks ago. The rent was paid initially but I was never billed again. Today when I logged on they were freed and rerented by someone else. On the other hand I went to another system (much better) and was able to rent 4 labs and 4 factories that were freed so it worked out.
From what I can tell these extra "bills" people are getting are not extra at all, they're past due, these people need to pay for the slots they had right?
The only thing I can see changing is giving them the option to pay the back-rent all at once instead of having a new bill show up every hour. People do have to sleep you know!
Calladen Nimitz
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MoonDragn
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Posted - 2003.07.04 00:37:00 -
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Its good if they are just going to roll back the rent logs. I think this new system will work out better than before the patch. It will at least free up some space that were hogged up by people not using them.
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Tinwhistle
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Posted - 2003.07.04 00:47:00 -
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Well, the current news say nothing about a possible solution. Only that a backlog of bills had been issued.
Well, my corporation lost its _only_ research slot (which was in use for almost the complete past week) and the vultures already snagged it. We are desperately looking for a new one, but no luck so far. Furthermore, I can't even file a bug report in-game about it.
Edit: my character is stuck now and won't load, so even looking for a new research slot is out of the question. And yes, I know how to clear the cache etc.
This feels like a bad joke. Honestly, I don't know if I can stand much more of this sloppy work...
*sigh* Wait and see...
Edited by: Tinwhistle on 04/07/2003 00:51:06
Proudly flying the white skull on black!
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Sparta
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Posted - 2003.07.04 00:49:00 -
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I so badly want to be a smart mouth about losing my factories and research slots that where in use! Ok, am counting to 10 slowly........ok that didnt work.........@#@%%#$ CCP you are@#$#@$ so @W#@$ I can not @##%^%@ belive..ok, that didnt help either.
Please immediately rework this patch as it relates to factories and labs in use. OR roll it back boys.....
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Astaroth
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Posted - 2003.07.04 01:48:00 -
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erm guys what u going on about loosing slots... after this patch there will always be free slots somewhere not to mention those who hoard slots will only loose money, only in the most heavily used systems will all slots be in use...
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.07.04 01:57:00 -
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While the notion of paying past bills isnÆt a problem, I do have a problem with never being told the charges until a mass quantity of bills shows up at my inbox and not being given an appropriate amount of time to pay such bills. On top of this, after paying multiple bills, I had to take a break (leave the game for a few hours) and then come back to find, all in progress items are ejected, and I donÆt own the slots.
Because I would see the man hours spent to continue to correct other issues and help customers who develop new problems (fast customer service response), versus knowing it will be a manual fix measure taking many man hours.
I also Vote for a Roll-Back. Heh, do it now right before the holiday weekend.
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Copy Cat
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Posted - 2003.07.04 02:28:00 -
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Jesus Christ!!! 4 days of research LOST!! An unknown godly amount of minerals LOST!! The factory and research slots that were being use, and have always been used LOST!! Roll it back and fix it! Im with you all ROLL IT BACK and test the goddamn patch before you put it live! The one thing that really ****es me off about these guys is they NEVER inform you that they are going to do something! Its always lets log in today and see whats been messed up. ROLL IT BACK!! ROLL IT BACK!! ROLL IT BACK!!
Edited by: Copy Cat on 04/07/2003 02:30:53
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GoHa
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Posted - 2003.07.04 05:06:00 -
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/bump
this topic should not going underground.
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Psychia
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Posted - 2003.07.04 05:19:00 -
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Mmm, my corporation had already been screwed with once on this issue, where one of our only 2 research slots we owned went *poof* and someone else rented it, now the last one we had is gone as well as EVERY one of the 6 Factory slots we have, so in essence, we have no production or science research capabilities, and all the newbs now went around, said "screw you all" and bought them all up to sell them back to corps... oh, and they changed the bonuses on my Rupture, just like they changed my MWD bonuses... You CANNOT plan for ANYTHING in this game, because some magical entity continues to F with the game every time one of them has some brain-farted idea on how to make it "BETTER". This is definitely a unique game in that aspect, doing 180's right in the middle of the game... They need to get a clue before 4/5 of everyone goes SWG on them... Hey CCP... Beta was supposed to end in MAY? WTF!
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Eychootah
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Posted - 2003.07.04 06:26:00 -
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I want the rollback!!!
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Lysithea
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Posted - 2003.07.04 07:38:00 -
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Rollback? Are you kidding me? If you didn't see this coming and failed to prepare for it, then I question your strategic planning abilities. If your company can't quickly adapt to changing business environments, perhaps you shouldn't be in business. My corp is doing just fine... and even better if people could unrent office slots. We have labs and factories everywhere but don't have corporate offices to go with them.
Let us unrent offices!
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infinity
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Posted - 2003.07.04 07:43:00 -
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Bad ide ccp :/
I LOST SO much TODAY!!!
All because af ****ty b÷ggs!
For my point of view i will cancel my account if this wont be fixed in the downtime today.
All my work did go down today so i dont see the point of playing this whith nothing.
GG ccp
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