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Dr Sirius
Clone Arrangers
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Posted - 2012.10.08 17:40:00 -
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I've put together a simple EVE trade map showing major and minor hubs and the routes between them. I'd like some feedback and ideas for improvements please.
http://corsairchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Trade-Map-v2.jpg |
Bunyip
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.08 17:48:00 -
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Nice map, and pretty helpful. The changes I'd recommend is adding a legend to show the routes through low-sec (it took me a bit to notice that) are different from the high-sec routes. Likewise, since both the major trade hubs and the low-sec paths are in red, changing a color to differentiate. You could put the major trade hubs in light green or yellow and they'd show up better.
Overall, good job, and a valuable asset in playing the markets for non-station-traders. |
Dr Sirius
Clone Arrangers
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Posted - 2012.10.08 17:50:00 -
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Cheers. thats a good idea. I'll put up a new version in a day or two. |
Akira Menoko
Cestus Wraith
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Posted - 2012.10.08 19:43:00 -
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Looks nice. After looking at it for a little bit I start to wonder where the "center" is and if it would be Jita. (Looks like its either Jita or Dodixie). But I'm guessing someone would need to apply some graph theory to it and that's a level of mathematics way beyond me. |
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:24:00 -
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You don't have to do any maths to put Jita at the center, you can just do it as we don't mind here if lines cross each other.
Nice graph ! |
Reticle
Sight Picture
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Posted - 2012.10.09 00:36:00 -
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How are systems evaluated for inclusion? Heimatar has 4 systems, The Forge has one. Does a system like Perimeter really do less business than non-Rens Heimatar systems? |
Stigman Zuwadza
Repercussus
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:50:00 -
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Reticle wrote:How are systems evaluated for inclusion? Heimatar has 4 systems, The Forge has one. Does a system like Perimeter really do less business than non-Rens Heimatar systems?
I think the listed systems are compared to the hub in that region rather than by station against station in the universe.
Might seem noobish but an indication of which is the largest hub (of the 5 main ones included), going down to the smallest hub. I've seen that information requesta few times.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.10.09 02:17:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/dgDjt.jpg
I fixed your map for you.
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Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:59:00 -
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Nice
Thanks for putting it together. |
Reticle
Sight Picture
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Posted - 2012.10.09 14:42:00 -
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Stigman Zuwadza wrote:Reticle wrote:How are systems evaluated for inclusion? Heimatar has 4 systems, The Forge has one. Does a system like Perimeter really do less business than non-Rens Heimatar systems? I think the listed systems are compared to the hub in that region rather than by station against station in the universe. Might seem noobish but an indication of which is the largest hub (of the 5 main ones included), going down to the smallest hub. I've seen that information request a few times. Fly safe. o7
If the map is of major and minor hubs, on what basis are systems being designated minor hubs? What exactly is the map showing? We all know what the major hubs are; they've been listed on Ombey's maps for years and years. We all know that they are considered hubs because they have the most trade volume in their region; thus the term "regional trade hubs." If the goal is to list the minor trade hubs, how is a system designated 'minor'? A certain volume of trade? A certain number of jumps? Whatever it is, how is it possible that Lustrevik has more of it than Perimeter? Why is it that there is no Forge minor hub? |
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Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.09 15:12:00 -
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Dr Sirius' Sebiestor roots have clearly biased her against the Caldari.
Lustrevik, Eystur and Pator all hubs? If any one of them was a hub, wouldn't it be able to pull trade from the other neighboring systems? Isn't the fact that they all three see some trade evidence that they're all not hubs? It's not like they're like Jita, which is so busy it's literally spilling over.
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Akira Menoko
Cestus Wraith
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Posted - 2012.10.09 16:34:00 -
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corestwo wrote:http://i.imgur.com/dgDjt.jpg
I fixed your map for you.
Actually not a bad idea to mark the common gank points like Uedema |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.10.09 18:00:00 -
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Well, from research in the past week, the following can be useful to find out total sell value in the hubs:
http://eve-marketdata.com/station.php
Jita CNAP 4-4 (The Forge) - Sell 23.6T (96.5k) / Buy 11.6T (57.0k) / Total 35.1T (153k)
Amarr EFA 7 (Domain) - Sell 4.84T (42.2k) / Buy 2.44T (27.0k) / Total 7.28T (69.2k)
Dodixie (Sinq Laison) - Sell 3.01T (32.5k) / Buy 1.40T (17.8k) / Total 4.41T (50.3k)
Rens BTT 6-8 (Heimatar) - Sell 3.07T (29.6k) / Buy 1.47T (16.3k) / Total 4.54T (45.9k)
Hek BCF 8-12 (Metropolis) - Sell 1.86T (18.8k) / Buy 0.669T (10.4k) / Total 2.53T (29.2k)
Now, the total sell inventory ISK value can be slightly inflated by those "1 tritanium for 2B ISK", but I have yet to find a site that gives me information about "total ISK that changed hands in the last 30 days".
Jita CNAP 4-4 source link:
http://eve-marketdata.com/station.php?step=History&station_id=60003760
So, based on total ISK on the market, Jita is about 5x as large as Amarr. Dodixie/Rens are tied at about 2/3 the value of Amarr, and Hek brings up the tail at about 1/3 the value of Amarr.
PS: See also the Topology article on the UniWiki which has a similar focus.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Topology |
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Evil .inc
WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2012.10.11 05:14:00 -
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corestwo wrote:http://i.imgur.com/dgDjt.jpg
I fixed your map for you.
LOL!!
On a more serious note tho, you may wanna re-check your regional hubs buy touring the regions and checking where the goodies really are. If you already have and this was your conclusion, stop what you're doing and dedicate to mining and mission running. |
Dr Sirius
Clone Arrangers
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:14:00 -
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As the question of technique for deciding which systems to include was raised, here is the background.
I like the Ombey maps but they're very cluttered for trade purposes and don't have an 'overview' of how trade hubs are connected. If it was possible to cut and paste from Ombey maps to build a trade map that's what I would have done. As it isn't I've tried to piece together a trade map. I've dropped it here to get some feedback, particularly on which systems to include and also to maybe think about including those gank points to avoid (or at least be aware of).
I couldn't find any really good up to date trade hub rankings so I mashed together the systems noted by Ombey as trade hubs, the data from http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/EVE/EveTradeHubs.htm, prior discussion on these forums, my own biases and preferences, plus Yulai just for historical interest.
I'm using Visio and the system 'graphics' are sized to fit the text. It's spread out over roughly an A3 size to make it easier to manipulate and add more systems. I coloured the lines with my own preferences and to make it look interesting.
Major hubs are easy to see, secondary/regional hubs are shown with solid lines, and tertiary hubs/systems of interest are shown with dotted lines.
If you think there's a system that should be included as being of interest then just le me know here or by mail. I don't know the notorious gank points/routes but they'd be useful to include on the map. I see a few people have mentioned them which is helpful, exact systems/chains of systems would be best.
Other than that no update yet.
Thanks All |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
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Posted - 2012.10.12 17:32:00 -
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Are those your only criteria? You're missing some, to me, important trade hubs. And how do you decide what ranking each system is? Personally I would only give categorical ranks for each region because trade hubs are determined by agent access first and geographic convenience second, with few exceptions (or rather, they are determined by access to missioners first and access to traders second, systems like Jita and Amarr being exceptions). As such, a region can have many major trade hubs if there are many people in many systems, and the existence of lowsec systems with active markets complicates things and requires definition.
If you want, I have a somewhat exhaustive list of Regional, Major, and Minor Trade Hubs for all the Empire regions, my criteria being yearly movement and average number of orders. I also have a seperate category for "Supply Hubs," one-sided hubs that really aren't used for trading but are used for resupplying nullsec and lowsec entities. I am also debating on redefining some hubs as mining supply hubs, since systems like Ordion seem to get the most movement out of mining supplies. I will not define mission hubs, as most trade hubs are mission hubs.
One thing I do that may be problematic is how I categorize systems. Every region has either one Regional Trade Hub, the biggest hisec system, or two Di-Regional Trade Hubs, the biggest hisec system in each piece of hisec in a region divided by lowsec. As a rule of thumb, Major Trade Hubs will either be in the top 50 trade systems or will maintain an average of over 1000 orders on market, and Minor Trade Hubs will be between 1000 and 500. The problem is that I categorize them relative to each region, so a relatively unpopulated region will still have a major hub with maybe only an average of 700 orders on market, and a minor with only 400. In some cases, there are clear jumps in activity between certain systems, so I will sometimes draw the line between Major and Minor at the gaps.
Now that I think about it, there's no way you can fit all 167 of my hubs on that map, too... |
Dr Sirius
Clone Arrangers
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Posted - 2012.10.12 18:44:00 -
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Tul Breetai wrote:Now that I think about it, there's no way you can fit all 167 of my hubs on that map, too...
Well a main criteria is to have a simple map that isn't cluttered. I think that 167 systems would definitely be too much. However I am interested in adding in the 'gateway' systems where you can ship goods to be sold into lowsec/nullsec.
Everyone has their opinions as to their favourite criteria for judging what is and isn't an 'interesting' system, to include in their trading, not least me. Which is another reason why I'm asking for feedback and input. |
Samroski
Games Inc.
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:22:00 -
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Thanks for effort. Looks like a good resource for new traders.
Here is trade data for the top 5000 stations in Eve (from Feb. 2012). Hope this helps in deciding which systems to include in the final version of your map. Have fun :) |
TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:01:00 -
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http://www.element-43.com/market/trading/station/ranking/ < a ranking on number of active orders in EVE < "Top Stations by Active Orders" |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:21:00 -
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TheSmokingHertog wrote:http://www.element-43.com/market/trading/station/ranking/ < a ranking on number of active orders in EVE < "Top Stations by Active Orders"
Ranking values that no site seems to give are:
- Total ISK in buy + sell orders (along with a 7 / 30 day avg)
- Total ISK that traded hands per day (or sum across last 7 or 30 days)
- The first number divided by the 2nd number to get a feel for how fast the market moves
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Dr Sirius
Clone Arrangers
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Posted - 2012.11.09 10:51:00 -
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Updated map V3:
http://corsairchronicles.com/2012/11/09/trade-map-v3/ |
Qolde
An Eye For An Eye
AN EYE F0R AN EYE
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Posted - 2012.11.29 06:50:00 -
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Is it just me, or is this map really blurry?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.11.29 08:13:00 -
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Qolde wrote:Is it just me, or is this map really blurry?
No, it's not really blurry if you zoom in properly.
But saving a vector map as JPG is a terrible choice: you actually get a larger file than saving it as PNG and you get artifacts making it less sharp.
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Ruvin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.29 09:16:00 -
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corestwo wrote:http://i.imgur.com/dgDjt.jpg
I fixed your map for you.
lol :D thanks for laugh ;) |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2012.11.29 10:48:00 -
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Are you using hubs that have best access for region, or most trade? Not always the same, especially since some regions are divided by low.
I'd suggest making Kor-Azor's regionals Leva and Ordion, Khanid's as Agil and Palas, and Derelik's as Gamis and Yuzier.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.11.30 01:53:00 -
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Akira Menoko wrote:corestwo wrote:http://i.imgur.com/dgDjt.jpg
I fixed your map for you. Actually not a bad idea to mark the common gank points like Uedema
Marking out mandatory pass-through systems, especially ones that are 0.5 (and to a lesser extent 0.6?) might make the map a whole lot more valuable than it already is.
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